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All 414 All Podcast Episode 50 W/ Spacecrime
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Episoode 50 The guys deliver an explosive performance to a Spacecrime provided production!! We then take a look into the trials and errors of the legendary producer! The conversation shifts to why artists should be compensated or not looked down upon when they wish to be!!
From the start to the finishes, not the minimum, stuff in the stuff, fill the body. Like when you want to finish the fuck out of the fill of it. But you can never be one of the people. What I do with this book is really niggas take in this book. I got a stand up and my mother and putting the money from the stupid money in the back of the motherfucking mission with the ass. Mike, check. You now tapped into the R414 Podcast, where hometown artistry is supported, recorded, and awarded an interview from the number one platform in the city. Before we dive into today's episode, take a brief moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell so you can stay updated on future episodes as we continue to bring the truest talent our hometown has to offer. I am your host, the 414 Tycoon, more commonly known as Illy. And joining me as co-hosts is my lyrical brethren, the verbal executionist Street Team Hectic. These episodes are brought to you out of the R414R Media Studio. This week for episode 5-0, Big 50, we have a hometown GOAT, the 2022 Big Beat MKE Champion, known and highly respected for his futuristic hip-hop and trap production. He's a monster when it comes to samples, low end, and his sci-fi sonic infused instrumentals dominating the scene for over 15 years. We give you space crime.
SPEAKER_09Thank you though. I really appreciate that, man. Yeah, no doubt.
SPEAKER_06It seems like you're far into the pod, like episode 50, but I've loved the fact that it happened the way it did. You know what I'm saying? Like the idea that I wanted it to be so far has come to fruition. And like you wanna, you you one of them people to me, bro. Like I I fucking when they ask me about you, I'm like, you get brought up, like I fucking love false crime, bro. Like, really? Hell yeah, bro. Like, I just have that I have that uh what's the is comarder would be the word. Yeah, camaraderie. Like I have the camaraderie with you, and you're just a cool person, bro. Like you're super dope.
SPEAKER_09Right back at you, man.
SPEAKER_06One thing that we haven't got to, but we're gonna leave it off the pod is that I definitely want to talk politics with you because I see that you're really vocal about it. You know what I mean? And I'm into that shit. Like, people don't think I am, but I'm super into it. But we'll you know that's a whole nother conversation. Yeah, but whole nother conversation, whole nother pod in rotation. You know what I'm saying? Like that's a whole nother, you know what I'm saying? But uh, but um like you also just you have a presence, bro, just being yourself. Uh I value that in people because I come from an era where a lot of people were trying to be something they weren't. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_09Hey, I I might have been one of those people earlier in life, you know?
SPEAKER_06And that's what we're here to find out, bro. We're here to fucking find learn about space crime. Cause like I said, I got mad love for you, I got mad respect for you, but I don't know everything. Not not everything, but I don't know a lot about your history, you know, because I do want to find out, like, but real quick, you did talk about this in front of me before, but the dancing, bro. Like you just started fucking dancing on TikTok and Instagram, and bro, you are killing it. When we was at the Summerfest at the Beat Battle, bro, yeah, I seen like teenagers and shit stop and be like, hey, that's that's him, you know what I'm saying? And they're like pointing at FaceTime, like, I know him, you know what I'm saying? And then he you know, since you since you are in that realm and then you're playing the Milwaukee music behind you, yeah, they're like, Oh yeah, that's definitely him. Like, yeah, so like how'd that come about, bro?
SPEAKER_09You just fucking, you know, man, that will it was I guess you could call it like a fluke or uh you know, like where I am now dancing on TikTok. Never imagined I'd be doing this a year later and and really enjoying it. Yeah, yeah. Um, it was during the rise of Big Frank's There It Is. The song was kind of taking over Milwaukee, soon to take over the nation, and I just I kept getting hit with uh TikToks of people dancing to that, and I was like, you know what? I can point my finger too. But it was just like all fun. So man, so many of the Milwaukee dances I was seeing, like I knew I couldn't look as loose or as cool doing them, but they still looked doable, like yeah, a beginner has a point of entry with a Milwaukee dance. So yeah, I just I literally just hit record, no practice, nothing, and and several of those went viral off rip. And this is after me putting my own music on TikTok for years to like, yeah, the right people heard it, but I don't even know if one of those videos got more than a thousand views, right? And then I danced for 15 seconds to Big Frank, and we're hitting a million views that's crap on videos. Fucking super nuts.
SPEAKER_03See, but yeah, now is the perfect time for someone who is not experienced in any category to put up a video and get hella hits over somebody who's like super experienced in that category. Because I see it happen all the time. Like you know, there will be dancers who put together some crazy dope choreography, and it'll get like maybe a couple thousand views, yeah. And then you see somebody who does like a trendy dance, it's not really anything too spectacular, but they just start running up the numbers with it.
SPEAKER_09So you'll see the creator of the choreography, yeah, like they'll do okay, but it'll be someone else that copies it. Yeah. And may or maybe they do it to a more uh trendier song or something, and then because a lot of the it seems like by the time a dance gets to me, it's gone through like generations of people where I don't even know who came up with the choreography originally for so much of this stuff. Yeah. Um but yeah, I I feel like just now with social media, you can start your journey, you can document your journey as you learn, yeah, and just post everything. And you you might go viral with one of the first days of you learning how to do a new skill, whether it's dancing or podcasting or rapping, cooking, woodwork, yeah, sports, all that stuff. Yep. Um, so yeah, unexpected, and then people just kept saying, When are you gonna post the next one? Don't stop. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So and that's really what people are looking for. Entertainment. They're looking to be entertained in their free time, you know, and yeah, if they find somebody who's consistently entertaining them, that's who they're gonna tune into, not the person who's making sure every little detail has to be perfect between two weeks in between drops.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah. And I I definitely got over that quick, at least with TikTok. I think I I was a little more self-conscious to start. Yeah, and then after a couple months, now I'm just like, this looks terrible. Post I just Instagram. I'm a maybe a tad more accurated. I feel like TikTok kind of allows you to just you can kind of learn through posting, and yeah, you could post ten things in a day, and TikTok's not gonna punish you for overposting.
SPEAKER_06But I feel like Instagram you can get punished for you get punished for doing too much.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, like the the algorithm will look at you as either spamming or like you're doing too you're doing too much, you're overexposing your audience to stuff. But TikTok does not care.
SPEAKER_03It has to be different on Instagram, like it it can't be the same video for the same time length type shit. Like it's that too. Somebody somebody's phone playing. Oh, that's probably my my headphones, maybe.
SPEAKER_06You don't hear you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I can hear it now. I'm like, bro, that has been killing me for like two minutes.
SPEAKER_09And now that you pointed it out, absolutely heard that.
SPEAKER_06I was like, yo, this thing, you ain't seen me. I'm over here clicking through. I'm like, what the? I got everything off. But anyway, my bad, my bad, fucking up. But uh, so so you didn't necessarily try, is what you're saying, to go viral.
SPEAKER_09You just started and they fucking I literally thought just the the first one I did, too big Frank, there it is. I literally thought just my friends would see it. Yeah, and then the next day I woke up and I was like, 15,000 and I texted uh Alan from Breaking and Entering. I was like, bro, what's going on? And he was like, I think you're about to go viral. And yeah, within like 24 hours it hit 100,000. I was like, what the heck? And I was literally just I didn't know footwork or anything, I was just doing the pointing out the heads, just did this for like 10 seconds with a little hit the uh like the run move out of frame. It was like a 12 second video, and here we are a year later. I'm still doing it. Yeah, that's crazy. It's like another, it's another part of the the brand, I guess if you want to call it that. Like another extension of the brand.
SPEAKER_06And he was saying, he was like, bro, people hit me up, like, bro, you've been fucking making beats for 20 years and shit. Yeah, dude. And then you fucking blow up off of fucking just dancing on camera for fucking two seconds.
SPEAKER_03You never know.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's always the one thing. The pivot, the pivot is uh, and this something I've learned from Illy actually. When sometimes the pivot is what makes you, bro. Like, yeah, yeah, it just makes you, and then off of the success of the pivot, you can go back to what you really, really good at doing now that you have the audience and the eyes and shit.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_06Because if y'all don't know, fuck the dances. Space crime got them beats, boy. I do, I do.
SPEAKER_09That's why I'm here. That's actually why I'm here.
SPEAKER_06They learned today, yeah. They learned in that intro. Yeah, that intro is all space, bro. And I asked them, you know, hey bro, let me get some beats. Like, you know, because I I I've asked them for a pack before. A bad timing, terrible time in my life. I apologize. Oh, all good. But this time I was like, bro, send me some beats. We're gonna pick one, we're gonna rap on it in the beginning. It's our 50th, like, let's do it. Yeah, and he he delivered, bro. He sent me some shit. Uh I I may have pushed Illy a little into my lane with the beat, but I'm sorry. I took off with the right and it came out fire.
SPEAKER_03I'm no stranger to hard tasks. Challenges. Yeah. So I was like, you know, it wasn't like I told him, there's usually it's usually always a beat that I don't like find to be my favorite beat. Once I start rapping to it, I'm like, dog, how how did I overlook this shit?
SPEAKER_09Because y'all didn't feel like what I just did actually, you know, so it's like, but make the same beat every time either. Like that, I don't necessarily have tons of beats like that per se. It's just what I was in the mood for in that session.
SPEAKER_06And I was like, hey, but I want to wrap my ass off.
SPEAKER_03He was like, say less.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03It literally, as I was listening to it while I was writing and shit, he was uh he was giving me the feeling of like if I was in an intergalactic battle. Yeah, yeah in my spaceship just like shipping.
SPEAKER_09Well, yeah, there's definitely some like laser effects in there and some sci-fi sound effects. But I don't know if I'm sure you notice this too, but like when it goes into the hook part, when there is that beat switch, it's actually a few BPMs quicker than the ver than the verse. Yeah, it's hooked me up.
SPEAKER_06So, so in all transparency, that beat, I remember I told you I'm like just a little too fast, I feel like. But then he sent me three more beats, and when I got those beats, I was like, that one's too slow. And that's the one, that's the one Ily was like, I fuck with that one. And I was like, it's just too slow for me. Like I to me, I feel like if it's too slow, I can't get my shit off. If it's too fast, I can catch up to it, and you know what I mean? But I had to go back. I'm like, man, no, these three, I'm like, all right, let me go back to listening, and then that's when I heard the saw again. You know, that's what you called it. I don't know what to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh no, this is the I could write to this one.
SPEAKER_09I think I was thinking about the movie.
SPEAKER_03That's crazy. He came from that movie because they're nothing alike.
SPEAKER_09I know, I know. What can I say?
SPEAKER_06That shit makes you feel alive. Saw does not.
SPEAKER_03If if Saw was on a spaceship, then okay. Yeah, right. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_06No, but yeah, uh, if just in case y'all didn't know, man, and you looking for a producer to any artists that are watching this, bro, and you win the 414, bro. Holla at space crime, bro. Do that. As previously stated in the intro in the introduction, he has won the big beat. And to me, he's one of my favorite contestants if he even doesn't win. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. That's just that's 1000% honesty, bro. I was fucking love ones. When I hear space crime about the battle, I'm like, let's fucking go, bro.
SPEAKER_09Hey, that means a lot to me, for real, man.
SPEAKER_03I kid you not. When I found out I didn't have to go up against you in a big beat this year, I was like, oh thank God. Thank God. It gives me a little time to bragging.
SPEAKER_09This year the competition was heavy.
SPEAKER_03Because I'm new to producing, so like I know I'm good, but you guys are like phenomenal. You know what I'm saying? So like to go aga even going up against uh Jay Billa, like that was a tough battle for me. Yeah, he was his beats were like, it wasn't easy for you to beat, or you know what I'm saying? Like when they announced that I won, I'm like, oh shit.
SPEAKER_09Heck yeah. Like I had hoped for this, but did you uh did you have a good time? Yeah, yeah. Like, like, do you think you'd want to come go back and do it? I definitely every year I'm competing. Yeah, yeah, right on.
SPEAKER_06It was gonna go until he wins this year.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no, that's how I do everything, but I gotta do it until I win.
SPEAKER_09And and and next year you'll take everything from this this year with you when you're creating. I feel like because I've been doing it since 2018. Yeah. And definitely lost my share around. Right. Yeah. And it was 2022 after because we had taken a year or two off because of the pandemic, the battle didn't happen. But that was the first year that I started to incorporate like more beat switches and kind of thinking more cinematically about it, like how to how can I make this one minute feel like a movie or something like that.
SPEAKER_06See, and that that right there, what you said, those exact words are why I fuck with the space crime brand of beats and shit. Because you saying that is crazy, because to me, you like I'm not gonna say I be saying crazy shit, just so you know. Disclaimer, I'll be saying some super crazy shit. But you're like, you know, to me, just right away, if I think of you like one of the godfathers of the beat switch, like you're you're liable to go from this beat in the beginning, which is always some hard, like trap, crazy shit, and then you're gonna switch it to some fucking straight up like dance music, bro. Definitely gonna hit a lot of things. Thank you, man. You know, but I that's how I I didn't know that you didn't used to do it. I thought that you just was always like that, killing shit like that.
SPEAKER_09No, first several years I did it, for at least the first two, I would just I had instrument because I would make instrumentals for people to run. And I would just literally just go hit play on beats I had already made.
SPEAKER_03Or get them down to a minute, but yeah, do any alterations.
SPEAKER_09I remember the first year I brought like my DJ controller, and I would just, yeah, basically hit stop when it reached a minute. And then I started to just give the DJ my beats because I felt like a minute. He can stop it at a minute, and then I can just focus on being my own hype man and having fun my beat. And I I I felt like there was less pressure to like hit a wrong button or something. Like the beats already wrapped up, it's perfect. You hit play on it, I'm gonna just turn up to it instead of trying to mix stuff in with it live, and which so many people are great at. I'm not one of them.
SPEAKER_06The live shit, yeah. Yeah, I've seen Mecca win a whole battle like that shit. Yeah, him and one night, bro, and just straight finger drum the whole night, killing shit right now. You know, that because that, but you know, people I I tell people all the time, bro, all that shit matters, bro. It matters.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06You know, that's why I applaud Illy because he did. Like I told him going into it. I'm like, bro, as a fucking consumer of these beat battles, bro, you need the beat switches and you gotta be amped up when you're on stage. He took it a whole nother fucking level. He came with fucking box and rap.
SPEAKER_09They definitely had dope stage presence. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_06So I'm telling him, like, bro, you had to do that.
SPEAKER_03I literally got that from seeing you on stage dancing and shit. I'm like, all right, they're like on stage, like they're performing, you know, and I'm no stranger to performing, you know, so that's easy for me. Now I can just think of something different than what they're doing, yes, you know, and then kind of make my own thing, and nobody did what I was doing. Nope. So I was like before or since.
SPEAKER_06Well, since it just happened, but but let's see what happens next year if anybody tries to take the uh the calling you out. But I took Jack my swag. I told Space Crime last time, I said, bro, you should put a tag in there, like Space Crime just took off his hoodie and the beat just fucking gone. Because you know, he'll be up and he'll start with the hoodie on and he rapping or dancing and shit, and then he'll fucking take his hoodie off and the fucking beat will just switch and go crazy.
SPEAKER_09That's definitely stolen from rappers. You know, like you see him, they'll do the one or two songs to start the show. And then the more well known or the more turn up song, and they take everything off except the the tank top.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah, the fifty cent shit. He fucking bulletproof that shit like, oh.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, we're about to go crazy.
SPEAKER_06But uh on that topic though, like of the performance and shit, yeah. Somebody who's uh who I really really fuck with on that tip is uh Scylla. Oh my god, yes, Scylla, yeah, Scylla has these things in his beats, bro, where it'll be like I don't know if it's a hi-hat snare, but it'd be like and bro, like he has that shit so memorized in his mind, he'll go with his fingers and be like and he does it every fucking he's a really nasty. I'm like dope performer, bro. Like, because the way he fucking it looks like he's playing it in the fucking air, yeah.
SPEAKER_09No, he you know what I'm saying? He like knows the timing perfectly, or he'll be like like with his hands and shit.
SPEAKER_06Like he's all I'll be like that shit to me adds. I told Scylla the the last time he was at a beat battle in Cuttahay, and he you know he didn't win and shit. I don't know why. Just like the fu and I told him, I was like, Hey Priscilla, you've never lost a battle to me, bro. Yeah, and he's like, Oh, thank you, bro. And I'm like, Yeah, that's just facts, bro. Like, you've never I don't think Space Ram has ever lost a battle to me in person, bro. It just so happens people get voted out or whatever, yeah. Yeah, but you know, there's some battles where I'm like, I don't think I ever seen it. I think uh was Silla Scylla the dude that I battled in Cut Ahead? No, no, no. What was that guy's name? What was his name? He was the older dude, right? Yeah, the black dude. No, okay, no, Silla. Silla's the little dude with the slick back here, a little okay. Well, he got a beard, I think. Yeah, but yeah, he's fucking still is amazing.
SPEAKER_09Scylla's like incredibly musical. I feel like, and like, yeah, his beats have a lot of beat switches, but there's just all these little details he puts in there. And I know I know he I believe he was a drummer for a heavy metal band. Makes sense, and I think he's also like dope on the guitar. So he and I'm not good at playing live instruments, so yeah, jealous for one, but also I admire, I admire people with that kind of skill.
SPEAKER_06So you're more of a on the digital side of like software.
SPEAKER_09Oh, totally, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just ordered um a launch key keyboard because it actually has options where you can lock it into scale. Oh, and I've when uh the keyboard I currently have, I'll be going out of scale all the time, and then I gotta go in and edit all the wrong notes I hit. So this one will help help me cheat more proficiently. Oh, all right.
SPEAKER_06I mean, no, but hey, listen, that technology fucking matters, bro. As long as you're doing it. Yeah, no, you know, as long as it's not fucking, hey, I just told the computer to make it for me. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_09Oh my god, yeah. No, I'm I would say even the beats where I'm using samples, I've never been one of those guys that can just like made that in 15 minutes. Yeah, yeah. It even the most simple beats I make, it's probably at least two hours went into that.
SPEAKER_06Like I'm just you're trying to master that shit.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, and that's at the least. I mean, some of them take a couple days because I'll walk away from it and then come back to it.
SPEAKER_06That's I found that that's the best way for myself to make music, period. Rapping anything, give it space, do it and give it space. I dog to keep food. I see what he didn't catch. He's just sitting there like, yeah, what do you mean? Yeah, I said what I'm saying. He's like, give it space. No, but yeah, you know, I I definitely have to I have to back up, come back. Sometimes I'll fucking come back, I'm like, fuck this song forever, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, or I'll come back and I'm like, oh shit, I made this. You know what I mean? Yeah, that but stepping back helps a lot. So artists take take note, bro.
SPEAKER_09Sometimes you just gotta, you know, I was just telling Ily that before the show that uh I I was like missing a project file, which made me just start looking through darn near every beat I made last year in a row from like January 1st to December 31st type thing. And I was listening back to beats I made last year, like, dang, this is fire. Yeah, why'd we give up on this? Like another one, another banger that I never gave anyone. And it's because at the time, yeah, you might get sick of it because you've been playing it over and over and over, but a year space between hearing some of those, I was like, wow, these are solid, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Side note every time I hear uh artists refer to themselves into like the third person, like how he was just like, Why did we just give up on this? I always think of the Hobbit movie where Smeagol is talking to Gollum, and he's like, And then he's like, it's like two different when he's talking to himself. I imagine like that's a why'd we give up on this? I don't know, dog, but that was fire.
SPEAKER_09There's John and space crime, you know, we're talking it out.
SPEAKER_06That's crazy. You know, it's crazy. I don't do that. I but I talk to myself like I'm not me and shit. Yeah, uh like I'll be in the mirror sometimes, like I did some stupid ass shit or something. I'll be like, why the fuck did you do that, fam? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's as far as I go. But I'll be like directly, I'll be so serious. Why the fuck would you do that? I'll walk away, go and get in the car. Some I'm getting in the car, like, why the fuck would you do that?
SPEAKER_09What the fuck is going on? I think a lot of us do that one. Yeah, yeah. I hope so. I hope so.
SPEAKER_06Because I'll be like, man, I remember uh back in the day I used to I talk over shit out loud, and motherfuckers would be like, hey man, who the fuck you talking to? I'm like, oh I'm just replaying a conversation. Okay, and I'm like, I'm not crazy, nigga. I'm just I'm I'm thinking out loud.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, but it just will happen to my conversation.
SPEAKER_03You don't see you don't see this nigga. Oh, that'll fuck me up. Damn. But uh, all right, so I wanted to ask, what's your experience been like here in the hometown making music? Have you always lived in Milwaukee or yeah?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah. I've I've never I've never lived anywhere else.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_09Um born and raised in Milwaukee, lived in a couple different sides of town. I grew up in Bayview, and that's where I'm I'm living currently. Um started making music in high school. I would say and I'm a I'm an 80s baby. I told you guys beforehand, I just turned 45. Okay. So like the the 90s boom bap era was really my my like education in hip hop, and and what made me love hip hop was Tribal Call Quest, Nas, Biggie, all the all of that good stuff. And that's what I would say all my old music was inspired by.
SPEAKER_06You got introduced to that, what 14, 15, something like that?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like late middle school and then early high school.
SPEAKER_06I can only imagine what that but what a time to be at.
SPEAKER_09And like while it was coming out, that's what I'm saying. Like brand new. Um, that's great. Yeah. And uh it I would say at the time for at least the kind of hip hop I was trying to make, Milwaukee wasn't having it. Yeah, like it was really hard for me to try to even get someone to listen to my beats at that time when I was like 18, 19, 20, 21. And I remember going to so many local shows and asking people afterwards, and there was a lot of apprehension to even listen to a CD from an unknown. Um, and a few people that I did get to listen to my beat tapes actually and that didn't end up using my beats at all, but they they actually a couple of them came back to me with good advice, which was kind of not necessarily about a beat switch, but your beats are too repetitive. Okay, which I definitely took to heart um and started practicing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like it sounds like one one long loop, yeah, kind of thing.
SPEAKER_03Like um I know one thing I don't like when I hear producers is when say like your verse, it there's no like um gradual increase, you know, in the case. Gotcha. Like there's no I guess what would it be like a like the technical term? Yeah, the crescendo? Yeah, the crescendo. Like there's no and then the climb and then you need it to feel like it's going somewhere. You need it to feel like it's you know, maybe every four bars. The momentum increases, yeah, something's being added, something's being added, and a big fucking production drop. You saying as far as the battle or just the no, as far as like the song in general, you know. Like, no, I feel like I need the beginning of the verse to open up a little light, and then you know, something to be added, something, and then right in the half point is like where it should be turning up towards the end. I'm like already getting off, and then the hook comes in, and now we look at it, and then now it's back to slowly, you know.
SPEAKER_06I feel like I couldn't, I feel I fuck with that 1000%, but I definitely can overlook that if the beat just comes in raw and stays fucking yeah, hype the fuck up the whole, but it has to come, yeah, you know, and now we're seeing a lot of beats that are um super smooth, but they're cold, bro.
SPEAKER_03Like the product, you know, like what was that track that we played like two episodes ago? Um it was I think it was the girl, she was singing on it, but like it was real low, and then she her her pitch that she was singing in was like real high. Oh, the serenades, yeah. The beat wasn't like anything crazy fire, but it was also like super dope. Or we also played a chick that her beat was like super gentle compared to how she was rapping, like she her she was giving bars, and this was like early on in the um in the episodes that uh she was just going ham. It was almost like she was battle rapping over a soft ass beat. Oh, I like that.
SPEAKER_06Oh, girl forgot her name. Yeah, and I I want to look more into her. She's like in front of the piano and dog, yeah. She was going crazy, like and the beat never dropped or anything. It was the whole beat, it was just kind of it was like building, but it never was it the woman that does the piano room? I don't think so. Yeah, no, I don't think he had like a I don't want to say no crazy shit, but her name was unique for sure.
SPEAKER_03Okay, worry, worry. All right, well, do that.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Do you got anything that you're currently working on right now?
SPEAKER_09So yeah. Um well actually so right now I'm basically in the process of getting all the production ready for my the follow-up to my I I call it my official album, which was Sounds from the Milky Way, where I had a different artist on 10 straight songs. So there was a different artist from Milwaukee on 10 straight songs.
SPEAKER_03Wait, a different artist on each song or a different artist per project?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah. So the 10 songs, 10 different artists. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, about say shit, I need my 10 beat pack too. Right.
SPEAKER_09We could do different than that. But yeah, the the goal, so that was really I call it an album, it was 22 minutes long, so you could argue and say it's EP. Yeah. Um, so the goal is to do a volume two that's double that length, like a 44-minute official LP where I can have twice as many artists from Milwaukee because there's just that many dope MCs in Milwaukee and really singers and poets.
SPEAKER_06We haven't got to we're on episode 50 and we haven't even touched yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's people where they'd be like, hey, bro, I want to. I'm like, I know and you guys could do this forever in Milwaukee. So many of y'all fans like.
SPEAKER_03And we talk about this all the time, like, damn near we might have to start adding in another day, but it's just the workload. Oh, for real. The workload per podcast episode.
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah. I can only imagine.
SPEAKER_03We both have full-time jobs. Yeah. So, and then we both got kids.
SPEAKER_09Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03We damn near have to quit our full-time jobs in order to do it. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_09We're here right now.
SPEAKER_06Oh, for real. Like, it's a lot.
SPEAKER_09But yeah, but yeah, the goal is to get that ready all year, pretty much. Um, so I can start recording hopefully this fall. We'll start recording, record into the winter, and then I can start prepping to drop it next summer kind of thing. Um, and but in the meantime, like I I just came out with like a three-track maxi single with my friend Kendall Bell, and that one's it's like a totally different style for me. It's mostly kind of like sexy drill beats. I think there's one low-end beat on there. There's a Jersey Club beat on there.
SPEAKER_06I've seen that too.
SPEAKER_09So it's different, is it's more like I would I would say it's a little more pop-centric. Yeah. Um, and Kendall's more of like a singer slash rapper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I will have some side projects like that kind of popping up throughout the year. Jesus and I have been talking about doing uh like a positive-minded low-end EP. Yeah. Where like that's crazy to get that from him. I know, and we were talking about it though. Like, we need we need like a low-end project that you could play at school.
SPEAKER_06And I guarantee you that came from him telling spades.
SPEAKER_09It's he wants to do it with spades, he wants spades to be on it.
SPEAKER_06I can I can already hear him saying because he was like, I told Spades, man. Like, what the fuck? Like, you be at school and shit with all the fucking play, and then you'll be in there talking crazy on your songs, like make some shit where you can, yeah, you know, yeah, I completely agree with it I'm so for it.
SPEAKER_09Doesn't have to be like kids' songs per se, but you know, clean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you can still talk about hustling, you can still talk about all that stuff, just you know, in a more uh family-friendly way. Yeah, yeah. But the beat, I'm still planning on just making banging beats for it, but maybe what maybe we'll put some of those scales in the major scale instead of minor, you know, and make it make the beats a little more uplifting, but the bass still gonna be there for sure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and there's a way to do, I mean, even when you're using the minor scale, depending on how you're utilizing it and the words be with it for sure. You know, like like you said, you still talk about hustling and stuff, because hustling doesn't have to be I'm hustling drugs, yeah. It can be I'm hustling these waters on the corner.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, like work ethic darn near.
SPEAKER_03Yes, like you know, like I have you know good work ethic. I'm not out here, you know, trying to and like fun this person who's working just as hard as me. You know, like it doesn't have to be that. It's just like what Hex says, you know, they put the money behind that to promote to you know propaganda, yeah.
SPEAKER_06They propagandize the the hustle, bro. Absolutely, they propagandize it. That's that's why people uh mix hip hop culture with black culture with criminal culture, it's like a trickle to all hip-hop culture is black culture, meaning it's fucking bad criminal culture.
SPEAKER_09They kind of did it with fun too. Like people a lot of people, we just want to have fun and listen to music that we like to listen to and dance or turn on. But then they'll yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06They'll fucking taint it, brother.
SPEAKER_09Try to make it like that kind of fun isn't isn't the right kind of fun, or it's not positive, but it is positive, man. We're out here dancing, we're not you know, I was I was at a video shoot uh for YMB Man Man this week. Uh we we ended up in a cult. We were in a culverse parking lot. I think it was on Fondelette.
SPEAKER_03We ended up in a cult.
unknownI'm like, what?
SPEAKER_09The culverse cult.
SPEAKER_06But no, there was like I'm actually here to present you guys this color. Like, nah, bro.
SPEAKER_09There was like uh, you know, 50 50 women there twerking. Let's go, bunch of bunch of dudes in tank tops walking around.
SPEAKER_06It's a hundred ass cheap if y'all can't do the math.
SPEAKER_09So many cars were like driving by, honking and happy and whatnot. And one guy came by and he was like, This this just isn't right. And the the whole group was like, We're just having fun dancing. And I'm like, Yes, eat your fucking burger and shut up. That's what, and that's what I do like about the modern scene is the dance element to it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, uh, it took me, I'm not gonna lie to you, Space Crime, bro. It took me a lot to, and I think it's just because you know, you you know too, because you've seen the whole transition. We're from the 80s, baby. So, like I seen it go from one thing to completely like all the things that held value back in the 90s, bro, the early 2000s, they just completely don't give a fuck about that shit over there. They're like, who cares that you can rap good, bro? Who gives a fuck how good you put words together? Who cares that you sat there and cooked up with your producer and shit? I ain't practiced my shit, I ain't do shit. I went in there, had fun, I fucking did that shit, and all the bitches are dancing and loving it, and you're fucking lame. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, so it took me a long time, and I it just doing the podcast and shit, and like really actually trying to look at it from a um from an outside perspective. It took all of that for me to be like, you know what? Some of that shit kind of fired.
SPEAKER_09It took me a long time too, though. Like it's hard, it's hard. I would say like the late 2010s when I first started really hearing that sound. I I remember telling everyone I did not like it at all. Um of that shit still it really wasn't until Spade my guy Spades, who's made all kinds of different music in Milwaukee, he started to make low-end music regularly. And I was like, you know what? I actually do like some of this. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Seeing a person like Spades and people are in the crowd saying word for word, yeah, and the way they're all they all uh it's almost it's uncanny, really, how they fucking like they all know when to hit the dances.
SPEAKER_09That's true.
SPEAKER_06Like spades will start doing one dance, and then the whole fucking environment around them will start doing the same dance, and they're like all on point with it. Yeah, and I'm like, oh shit, like when you see that, then you understand more, you know.
SPEAKER_03Well, one of the big things too is you know, for one, I feel like we came up in a in a time where it was like there's a time and a place for everything. Yeah, so you know, we viewed a lot of the music like that was there's a time which is like fucking after 9 p.m. And there's a place in the club to not need to really talk about you know super you know, philosophy type shit, you know. Yeah, and then you know, but you know, during the work day, we need to hear some something with a little substance, you know, because we also acknowledge that like this fucking can't be the only thing, yeah. And the newer, they're just like fuck all that time in the play shit, you know, like and they're just gonna be able to do that.
SPEAKER_06You're gonna get this work, and you give them all I don't give a fuck where we at, nigga. They just start calling, bro.
SPEAKER_03And then they're just trying to fuck up, like you know, and then the other thing that I think about often is um it's never really been that I had a gripe with the newer wave of music, it's just the you could just tell that the people doing it weren't act they didn't have any actual um I guess IQ behind it. You know, I feel you like and then once people with uh the intellect started you know engaging with that sound and shit, that's when it kind of was like, uh, all right, I actually I do fuck with that because uh now I can actually hear a little bit of something. Something relatable, more related hook and then the cold beat, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, but when there's just no intellect behind the rhyme scheme or anything like that, yeah, yeah, I can't fuck with it either. You know, it doesn't matter if it's good or not. So it's like it took the people who weren't even good at it to do it so that the people who could actually do it very well to start fucking with it for me to actually be like, all right, I feel that I do like it. Cause heck knows, bro. I'm I love making club songs. Like club songs is my shit. I love I love watching bitches twerk, I love all that shit. So like I ain't got no gripe against it. You know, I can make a cold club song myself, I'm cold with the hooks. Heck yeah, you know, I like a rap in between the shit. When done right, you can have both sides.
SPEAKER_09I so and you and I do think I probably didn't hear the right artists when I was first exposed to a lot of the the modern Milwaukee stuff. I definitely could be but like Spades also, he never hated on me for being a hater. Like I remember I'd be like, I just don't get it, it's just not for me. And he'd be like, All right, it's cool, man. Just you know, just keep listening to my music, it's cool. Yeah, and then I kept listening to his music, and then a year go by and I'd like a few other artists that were part of the new scene, and then a few more years go by and I'd like a few more. And now I like all kinds of artists from from the more lyrical to the more RB, like some of the rappers that sing when they rap, um, to the straight boom bap. And then, yeah, you go to like a Bremen cafe open mic night, you you get like one boom bap rapper, couple a couple singers, and then there's like three low-end artists every time. But I enjoy that now. Yeah, years ago, I wouldn't I don't think my mind was ready, ready for that, honestly.
SPEAKER_06But nah.
SPEAKER_09But now it is.
SPEAKER_06But hey, but you just brought up a really good point. I feel like the fact that I'm from an era where almost you couldn't say nothing to them about it. Yeah, like I mean, you you ain't even oh shut that bitch ass shit up, old ass nigga. Like, whoa, oh no, bro. Like, now not now, I'm now I'm like, hey man, fuck you. Hold on, you know what I'm saying? Matter of fact, fuck you and all that music. You know what I'm saying? That's a good point, bro. Cause now that the scene is changing, bro. I get, I know, I feel it, bro. Like, it's so much more in brand. Embracing now than it used to be.
SPEAKER_09That's what I earlier when you were gonna ask me about the scene coming up, I will I would say the same exact thing. So much more embracing, man. And there's a lot more encouragement.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, like I feel like or I I've seen this, I'm not gonna say names. Sorry. I know if you if you was to say that I'd be like, no, fuck that. Say that. But you know, I'm trying to be professional shit, but I'm not gonna say names. But there has been a couple artists lately, very recent, where I'll see them and I'm like, that's just not it, bro. But then I'll see people and not tell them that they're super good. But they're not telling them they're super bad either. They're just like, hey bro, maybe you should. And I've seen it with my own eyes. And it's happened a lot lately. And I'm like, bro, that's fucking wonderful. Because it was not like that, bro. I come from the time where nigga, you ass are you cold, bro? Are you trash or not? That's a good point. Are you fucking can you rap? Can you get your point across? Can you make hooks? Can you fucking be a songwriter? Can you really do this shit or are you fucking trash? You know, and then that kind of went away. Now it's like, well, I don't care. I don't need you to tell me I'm just gonna make this shit in my closet somewhere and I'm gonna drop it, go viral, and I'm making more money than you. And you're like, oh shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, but now the scene's starting to like how he like he said, it's encouraging. Yeah, that shit is fucking mind blowing to me, bro. But I love it for the for the city because I love Milwaukee. Yeah, you know, I wasn't born and raised here. I came here, I was I'm a transplant. I got here when I got out of jail in 07.
SPEAKER_09Oh, really? For some reason, I I I picture you as always being from Milwaukee.
SPEAKER_06What school do you think I went to if I if I went in? What school?
SPEAKER_09From Milwaukee.
SPEAKER_06What high school? Just name a high school you think I would have gone to if like if I was from here. South Division. Damn.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's that's not that far from Pulaski.
SPEAKER_05No, no, everybody.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you went you went to Pulaski?
SPEAKER_05You were like that.
SPEAKER_06No, I was telling them the other day that, like, fam, like you won't believe how many people they're trying to convince me that I went to Pulaski. I'm like, motherfucker, I had never gone to high school here, bro. And they'll be like, nah, I seen you at Pulaski, bro. Like, no the fuck these niggas, bro. You know, so everybody's fucking, and then when I said that, Italy was like, You do look like somebody that went to Pulaski.
SPEAKER_05I can see it.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I can see it too. I can see it.
SPEAKER_06No, but uh, yeah, I'm I'm a transplant here, so you know, like, but this is my home now. I've been here for 20, almost 20 now. Oh, yeah. I had my kid here, all my friends and family are here. Yup, definitely home. So, like, this is my home, bro. Like, and it embraced me in a way that I can't even explain, you know what I'm saying? But the music is way different from when I started doing it here. You know, so yeah, you know, you gotta think about it. I was recording at fucking Tito shit on 35th and Greenfield in 08, 07, and like bro, that's almost 20 fucking years ago I was recording with A State and shit. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, bro, and Tito, he was like the original icon and shit. Like he fucking used to record every fucking body, fam. Wow. So it's like just to see the embracing that they're doing, the encouraging now. I fucking love it, I love y'all, bro. Keep that shit going. Um but we do need to bring back a little hint of you trash, you know what I'm saying? Like just a little bit, man. Sometimes people just don't have it, and it just it's a the quicker the exit, the better for everybody else. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03So um, real quick, top three producers.
SPEAKER_09Wow. Oh man. Fuck you up. Dang, you you should have given me this one a week ago. Okay, well, well, one name I always say DJ Premiere. Okay, okay. Um, I I love Gangstar. I listen to Gangstar a lot to this day, and probably honestly, probably more than any other producer, like the hit, the Gangstar hits and the pr primo produced singles for other art, they always just hit me right in the feels every where I'm just like, yes, it's like immediate satisfaction. Yep, and a lot of my um just like minute transitions I'll put in beats all come from little things I've I've listened to pre primo do through the years, whether it's like a split second of silence to just like one pullback on the vinyl, little stuff like that. Um, also I'd say Mad Lib, uh you know, what prolific West Coast producer. We definitely saw his, I feel like we used to see his name a lot back in like late 90s, 2000s, yeah, not really 2010s.
SPEAKER_06Had a run.
SPEAKER_09Um but he was a huge inspiration on just me getting started in producing because all of his and he would make a point of saying, like, I just I sample everything I love, and all these beats are based around samples. So I would go to record stores in Milwaukee, buy the dollar records up, and just try to find dope loops and dope drum beats to put under the loops and to try to be like Mad Lib, which I'm still trying to be as dope as Mad Lib, but but huge inspiration. I would I would buy or illegally download all his beat tapes and just listen to listen.
SPEAKER_06All right, we got him, come get him. We got him.
SPEAKER_09But let me try, you know what? I'm gonna throw a modern producer. I I'm gonna he'd he'd be like in a top 10, but I'm gonna I'm gonna put him in the top three for now. I'm gonna say Nick Mira.
SPEAKER_06Nick Mirr? I have no idea who that is.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, so he did like literally every big track for Juice World when he was coming up, like all girls are the same, um, and stuff like that. Nick Mira was kind of the mind behind all the music behind him. Yeah, and Nick Mira did stuff for Triple X Tentacion. Um, he was kind of one of the people behind the guitar emo trap beats in the 2010s. Um, and he's just a low-key, I think he's I don't even, he might not even be 25. He was one of the first producers I found on YouTube that would share his screen, like everything he would do in FL Studio, and he would just tell you exactly what he was doing while you were watching him. Soaked up so much information from this kit from a kid. Yeah, I mean, he's he's like 15 or 20 years younger than me, but I learned so much from him through YouTube, so that's one reason he's like a goat to me. But also, I love Juice World. He's I was just listening to him this week for the first time in months. And to this dreams, yep, he did Lucid Dreams, yep.
SPEAKER_06And that's a super, super, super smash hit.
SPEAKER_09But uh yeah, Juice World, a lot of Juice World songs still give me goosebumps. I I just can't even like I'll I will get teary-eyed listening to some of those because I just hear the talent and yeah, and he's not here.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's crazy. I've never uh I gotta go hear some juice world, bro.
SPEAKER_06See the thing the thing is I know you or I know enough about you to know that you're gonna feel kind of the same way I felt, but it gets repetitive after a while because he he made so much music, bro.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, while he was a fucking kid, he was what 20 something and I would say he doesn't have like I have a Juice World Greatest Hits that's the playlist I made, yeah. Yeah, but he doesn't have what I would call like a definitive classic album. Okay, like his first album is probably the most consistent. Um, but I don't know, they're they're kind of overstuffed.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, they're they're they're it's it's a they're playing a screaming game. He just doesn't drops it. He puts it if he made fucking 30 songs, he's gonna fucking put 23 of these motherfuckers on.
SPEAKER_09And like four of them will be incredible, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06It's a numbers game, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, and that's what I that that's what I'm saying. Like, I I gotta I've only heard his actual smash hits, and then anytime he was like collaborating with a bigger artist. I've never like but I I was never so impressed that like I wanted to go into his catalogue.
SPEAKER_06Gotcha. Yeah, no, uh, I got my guy Tim, man. Shout out to my guy Tim, ugly ass. He fucking he he went on the whole thing for like a year straight. Every time we kicked it, let's listen to Juice World, bro. He's the go, and I'm gonna go.
SPEAKER_09It's like something about the way he would spit his bars. Like, I I will concede he's not dropping the most like mind-boggling bars. Yeah, like it was kind of the he was partially sing-song-y, a little bit punk.
SPEAKER_03Um lot of emotion, and connected.
SPEAKER_09I was, you know, I'm like a recovered opioid addict, so I related to a lot of the stuff you would talk about with popping pills and so like thank god I was I was already beyond that, but I related to it a lot in his raps, and I remember thinking like that whole time, like, we just needed you to get through this phase, man. Yeah, we just need you to get through this phase.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, see, and I didn't know until it was too late. Obviously, I didn't work out. But like I said, bro, the music is great. He does, and you know, and then when you find out he didn't write a lot, like 90% of his music he don't write, maybe even all of it, he just goes and does it, yeah. That adds to it. But again, like he said, like the projects just be jam-packed, and a lot of the shit it comes off a little repetitive. Yeah, but if you can, you know, you you're a music person, bro. So if you just go in and decipher what's the good ones, and you know, what what's the ones that and he he made he made great music, bro?
SPEAKER_03Real quick, what's which one of these is the bombs? Right drop a bomb for you for your recovery, bro, you know, and getting through that stage of your life, bro. Thank you, man. You know, that's that's big, bro. You know, I I had my stepdad was a addict, you know, and he he would make it for a long time without using, and then he would, you know, relapse. And then I worked um at a AODA recovery center. Yeah, like I've you know, I've worked close with addicts for a long time, you know, and I know it's not an easy road to walk, and it's not a easy um battle to conquer, you know.
SPEAKER_09So shout out to you. Definitely you know, and when you're in it, you think I can't conquer this when when you're in the middle of your addiction. Uh and I know many people have all kinds of great um systems in place to help them with recovery, whether it's family, friends, a program. But for for me, it was really family. That I just I was just so fortunate to have people that loved me that much. Like you've been on nothing but bullshit for years, but we still love you and we we see good in you. Yeah, like we want to give you a chance to get that back.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and and look what it's fucking, you know. Now that you know you've moved past that phase in your life, and you know, you do the production that you put out here, and you're so like heavy in the hometown music scene.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Everybody that's gotten to benefit from that is just like that's the actual proof of the what your family saw in you, you know.
SPEAKER_09I love I I love the way you said that. And and yes, yeah, and it shout out to your family too, bro, for believing. Man, and and for real, and just the the way I'm able to experience life now without it's it's like I remember feeling so uh anxious and scared for a long time, and that's kind of what led to me taking pills, and then that would give you this false sense of confidence, like a euphoria. And then being beyond that for years, like, oh wow, like I could experience this naturally and it and feel so much better. And I became a better communicator, so when I went to shows, I wasn't isolating, yeah, and just just learned to uh embrace the community more. There was a just more positives than I can count.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's what's up, bro. How do you how do you say the like when it's genuine, like and you say like the genuineness? Is that how you say it? But like yeah, you get to accept that more too. Yeah, yes, because you're not you know, you're not you don't have the the goggles, bro. The fucking yeah, I was heavy masking, you know what I'm saying? Like you don't have that, and then like you might have conversations with people that you don't even think about 10 minutes after. True, you know, and I'm I've never been in a in a position where I've like addicted to something too fucked up, but I have had my times where I've like drinking the for cover-up some shit.
SPEAKER_09I'm drinking all the time, and I'm yeah, you know, and when I drink, I drink, you know, like I don't drink, and that's a sneaky one because it's so normalized in like especially like a Milwaukee.
SPEAKER_06Hell yeah, especially here, and I've lived a lot of places, bro.
SPEAKER_09And I've got some friends that are still going through like recovery from you know because it's just it was so normalized in their family or within their friend group.
SPEAKER_06Oh, right, yeah. But I just say that because there's been times where I've had conversations and I notice now that I don't drink and smoke like I used to. Yeah, sometimes I'll have a good night and I'll look back and I'll I'll recap those conversations. Yeah. And I'm like, I've had conversations like that before that I completely dismiss.
SPEAKER_09You don't think about it.
SPEAKER_06And now I'm receiving the genuine like statements people are telling me, and like, hey bro, you know, I feel like this about you, or like, yeah. I remember one time we did this and it meant this to me, and I'm like, oh, that shit was really genuine. Like, you really care about the shit. Yeah, you know, and if I was fucked up, I would have never known.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, you're like perceptive to to real anime.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you're like, oh shit, like I I feel yeah, or some bullshit too. Like, ah, you're a bullshit right now. I'm so right to totally tell, motherfucker.
SPEAKER_03I agree. And like when when when you're I guess uh what was uh under the influence or whatever, you know, sometimes you'll make conversations more than what they were meant to be. Yeah, yeah. Like you'll they'll say something to you, be like, what the fuck you mean by that? You know, like so that's the that's what used to happen.
SPEAKER_09I've seen it happen before my eyes, yeah, a thousand times.
SPEAKER_06That's like a that's the Wisconsin special right there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, seriously. That shit used. I'm a I'm somebody who used to do that. Okay, but like, fuck it. I I mean I think a lot as it is, not on drugs. Yeah, exactly. I'm an overthinker. Oh I'm it, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Well, um, before we move into this next portion of the episode, if you haven't already, take a moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell to help us grow this audience. A like, comment, or share with a friend are also great ways to let us know you support it and watch the episode. Also, shout out to our sponsor, Illy Tents, for financing these episodes. If you or someone you know is looking to transform your vehicle, add privacy, or keep it cool by blocking out the sun rays, give us a call today at 414-326-7283, or stop by the shop in Franklin. That's 8581 South 27th Street to book your next appointment. Wanna turn it over to you real quick to see if there's anybody you might want to shout out.
SPEAKER_09Hmm, hmm. Well, shout out all 414 All Podcast.
SPEAKER_06Come on now. You might be the first one to say that.
SPEAKER_09Man, so dope to be here. Um, but yeah, and you know I gotta shout out mom. Shout out to mom. I'm going going to mom's house. We're gonna cook up some fish and watch watch some TV tonight, which we do every week. Fuck you. And uh and you know what else? We're gonna shut just shout out the Milwaukee music scene as a whole. Yeah, too many people to name, but you know, you know who you are. I love you.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, when you see us and we're all in a circle, that's who we're talking to, bro. We that circle, that big circle what each other love, yeah talking. I love all you too.
SPEAKER_09Can you guys what when is this gonna air?
SPEAKER_06Uh next Sunday.
SPEAKER_09So good vibes only. Gotta shout out Good Vibes Only August 7th, and my man Hectic will be performing uh with Space Crime on the ones and twos. So you can catch me, DJ, catch Heck on the mic. Yeah, so yeah, look really looking forward to that.
SPEAKER_06Man, I'm super it's me, Jesus, Lady G, uh RJ. Big shout out Jesus, big shout out. I forgot the other couple people, but it's gonna be this is my first show in two years, bro. Has it been that long? It's been two years. I uh the last time I performed was the Big Beat 2023, I think. Oh wow, wait, that's three years.
SPEAKER_09I feel did you do look you must have done one or like a couple songs when you hosted Big Beat really?
SPEAKER_06Wow, so yeah, it's three years.
SPEAKER_09Well, I'm I've been telling everybody too. I'm really looking forward to it now.
SPEAKER_03I'm really looking forward to catch me in the building too, being a social butterfly this time. You know, usually I'm trying to perform, and heck is like I just come to talking, but this time it's reverse. Nice, yeah. No bullshit. That's what's up. All right. Well, let's go into a quick uh interview portion real fast. Um give us a summary of who you are and what you hope to accomplish through your artistry.
SPEAKER_09Hmm. I well, I would like to think that I'm a good person, and by that I mean that I'd like to think I'm looking out for my own and other people's best interests. I I just want to build um honest communication between the the people I know and within Milwaukee and hopefully build a better future for us here in the city. And I I I hope to do that through my art, but also just contributing to the community in any way I can. And um uh I want definitely want to accomplish that for the city, but musically, I just I just hope I get to be lucky enough to keep making music for hopefully the rest of my life, you know what whether that whether that brings fortune and fame, don't even care. Just yeah, just being able to do it is pretty amazing.
SPEAKER_03That's what's up. I thought about that. Um what is one of the most important lessons you've learned in life or music to this point?
SPEAKER_09Definitely patience is key. And um take taking a step back and just breathing and not reacting too quickly. Man, that's that's helped me a lot in the the la last half of my life, the that last 10 or 15 years. I would say patience, so sometimes when you want to respond to something, whether whether that's in your personal life, at work, something musical or creative, it's best to still like with a song, take a day, yeah, think about it. And uh, and another thing I this is gonna sound a little uh perhaps corny, but forgiveness when you when we when you really authentically forgive someone, it's just it it is crazy how good it can be for you, but also just for the future and and what can grow in the place of something that's that negative that maybe you've harbored in your life. Yeah, which which I it took took me almost my whole life to learn how to do that. Yeah, but since I have man, if you're not ready to forgive now, that's okay, but think about it, you know? Yeah, think about it.
SPEAKER_06Damn, man, that's scary. That's deep, man, because I just forgave somebody at an open mic not too long ago. Hey man, not not the way you think that. But I was like, you know what? I'm gonna let you go, bro. I'll let you know because I didn't want to do that.
SPEAKER_03On how he used to handle those things. No, exactly. That's what I'm saying. I didn't want to do that.
SPEAKER_09I wanted to. And I'm saying, I'm basing that from like family things. Like, I I I harbored certain feelings towards certain family members and almost blamed them for my own actions for a long time. Yeah. And then finally in my 30s, I was able to like reflect on that and be like, oh no, I am responsible for my own actions. And you know what? Maybe they did do this and this and this that made me feel a certain way, but I chose to feel that way and like was able to come to terms with with all the good some people that I thought had really like offended me, all the good they also did for me. Yeah, and then when I forgave it in my mind, our relationships got even better from there.
SPEAKER_03And that's one thing too. Like, I that's first of all, the first half of that, I have a rule where you know, I think about things before I react for 24 hours, you know. That's smart. If somebody says something to me or like um they ask me for something, or I'll be like, all right, um, I can't do it right now. But really, that's my nice way of saying, like, give me 24 hours to think about that before I like respond to that, you know, because sometimes fucking, you know, it gives me time to like see, like, are you just asking this to use me, or are you asking this because you it's something you might really need? Or are you saying this thing to like try to get a reaction out of me? Or are you saying this thing because like it's what you actually feel, and I might actually like be overlooking some shit, you know? So it's like I always try to give myself a 24 hour, you know, especially like running a business. Like, sometimes customers will say some shit, and I'm like, Oh god, no, I want like hood me is like fight me then, you know. Like, I'm big enough for you to fight me, like you know, like, but also business me is like I'm not gonna respond until tomorrow. And a lot of times people don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Yeah, you know, so I I just let that go, you know. And then the second half of what you were saying, you know, that was a big thing for me too, because I've never been really the type to hold. Things against people, but I've always been the type to like once you show me something, you can't I can't unsee it now. You know, so it's like I can't fuck with you the same way once you show me something. But then also I had to train myself to think and this came through reading that you know I'm changing daily, you know, especially like you give me the the me I am today versus the me I was a year ago, they're two different guys, even though they weren't they're both not bad guys, but now I know more, you know, I react to things differently, you know, and it's the same way for other people, you know. So like if I if I was mad about or they showed me something, it was you know, but I see like a lot of what they're doing has changed. So maybe that thing has changed too, you know. Maybe they don't move like they used to move.
SPEAKER_09True.
SPEAKER_03Now now I still I still gotta vet you, but at the same time, you know, like I can I can look past something that is like maybe you did out of a different level of maturity, you know.
SPEAKER_09So I love that. Yep, yep, yep. And yeah, because like people can form new hab better habits and better ways of coping and giving them the chance to show you that you're like, yeah, maybe we need that space to I can't mess with you for now. But yeah, as we grow and change, we become open to letting other people show us.
SPEAKER_03And that's a type of forgiveness.
SPEAKER_09Absolutely.
SPEAKER_06But the but the uh what like to the point where you just said, like, I see it now as you know there I I do think there is a a line to draw on the on the person's capabilities. Like if you show me you're capable of some shit that I just for sure could never do, then it's gonna be you for me forever. I'm not saying in my mind you're forever there now. Yeah, because you know, you do some shit that I'm not even capable of I'm not even capable of thinking or moving like that. So that's just to throw that in the air because you know, I I I was talking to somebody that I known for a long time, and that motherfucker was on some like, you don't know me anymore, like you're you're not gonna get the same me. And I'm like, I get that, but I know you, bro. Like I I've seen you do some shit. I know what you're capable of, is what I'm saying. So that's never gonna change, isn't it? You you can do it once, you can do it again. And not to saying that you would or that you're just a terrible person and you want to.
SPEAKER_03I'm just saying, no, now I gotta watch out for that.
SPEAKER_06I've just do some shit that I know you've done before. You know, so but as far as like the forgiveness, I don't I I'm growing on that. I'm a lot more uh not where you guys are at. Like he'll just be like, you know, that the 24-hour thing. He does that to me sometimes. We'll we'll say some shit, and then he'll be like super just like, yeah, it's fine, bro. We'll think about it. Me, I'm like, fuck that. I need to know right now. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_09Like I I will say this over the last couple years, there have been not gonna name any names, but there are there are beefs that occur in the Milwaukee music scene for one reason or another. I would say nine out of ten beefs that I've heard about. I'm not involved with them, just on the peripheral, and I know the guys in it. These can all be solved through forgiveness. Yeah, and it it's usually not serious like that, something that where I think about like think about serious stuff you've forgiven in your life.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, this stuff is pride, you know, like the pride is a little too high on both sides, and it's both sides, yes, sir. There's no neither wants to be the one to compromise, you know, first.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, so it's like yeah, yeah, yeah. I I think I've definitely my pride or like the need to show pride is decreased a lot through the years where I mean I've just just look at me dancing on TikTok. I I just don't care that much anymore.
SPEAKER_06See, so so to that point, real quick before we wrap this up, right? But to that point, I found that if you know a person's not gonna understand where you're coming from or like take the what you're even trying to say, there's literally no point in that and that's what I've been learning. That's what I'm at right now at my job and shit and shit like that. Like I've been going in here complaining about shit, trying to make shit better for myself, and it never gets heard. Why would the drastic step y'all took towards me now would that change if I go in there like what the fuck? And like, you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Now I'm just like, now you feel like you're talking to a walk. Exactly.
SPEAKER_06At this point, bro, it's like there's no point in like I feel stupid. I can I I'm thinking of the outcomes on if I go in there and I snap or not even snap, if I just go make my case, yeah, and you're just gonna be like, okay, so you know what I'm saying? And it's like, I, and then I don't know if that's a form of forgiveness or not, but that's some shit I'm gonna do. You're not putting that much energy in. But yeah, I'm not gonna be able to do it. You're coming to terms, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Coming to terms and forgiving, they're different, but they're same realm, similar shit.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, they're like in the same wheelhouse type shit. But yeah, it's like whatever, fam. Yeah, but I'm definitely working on that. Because like a couple tables could have been flipped in the last couple weeks. No bullshit.
SPEAKER_03Uh, last question I got for you. How can the all four one for all podcast audience find your content?
SPEAKER_09All right, so the dancing stuff is on Instagram now as well. I'm at Space Crime Beats on Instagram, but I do put a lot of the beats that I'm currently making, those will be in my story every other day. There'll be some kind of original music in my story. I'm definitely gonna get back to posting some in studio beat making videos this summer because I think I might have said this last summer somewhere else, but I will be relaunching my beat website by the end of this summer for real. Let's go. And Instagram's definitely gonna be a place I preview a lot of that, and then and I will start to integrate it onto TikTok as well. But I'm on TikTok just at SpaceCrime. You can find me on there hitting dances to all kinds of Milwaukee music.
SPEAKER_06All that Milwaukee shit.
SPEAKER_09And same thing on uh YouTube, Space Crime on YouTube. And I I have been putting like a few just reposting some stuff from TikTok on there, but I do want to make like some mini vlogs in the future, so keep your eyes, keep your eyes peeled. Let's go.
SPEAKER_03And he be on the scene, he be out here, yeah. Yeah, we try to get outside, we try to get outside, turn around and just see space.
SPEAKER_06I'm like, what up, bro? Yep. All right, uh, let's go with some hometown picks. Cool. The first one, because we we missed it, we skipped it, but we're gonna go just to play his uh song called Hennessy. Hennessy. This is from the sound from the Milky Way project, Space Crime, and then you said this has Yoshi on it? Yep, yep, yep. Philly or Yoshi, what Yoshi's his producer name?
SPEAKER_09Yoshi's his producer name, Philly Anderson's his rapper name.
SPEAKER_06Shout out to my guy, man. That's my bro. So let's go. Space crime. Hennessy.
SPEAKER_05I hear a sound. Space, yes, yes, yes, like a sea. In the sea drip down the mate. From the hard I speak, these the words I weep. Yeah, these the words I weep.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06These are the words I weep. What's what's funny is you when you said your influences, I was like, damn, I've never really heard no shit like that for Space Card. Right. And then right away we hear it right here. Like, I can hear all that shit, bro. Like, well, the the the older producers madly have been premiering shit. For sure.
SPEAKER_03I can't believe I accidentally skipped right over that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. I was like, I thought that you was gonna say, all right, now we're gonna go, but no, that's cool shit. We can't remember.
SPEAKER_03That's the artist pick. Now we're gonna go into hometown.
SPEAKER_06That's the artist pick, now it's the hometown pick. That was another record from Space Crown, so y'all get his uh versatility. Again, I love it when the artists and the people come to the show and do that. Like from the first from the opening record to that range, bro. We got fucking absolute range, fam. I took polar opposites, bro. Yeah.
SPEAKER_09True.
SPEAKER_06True. All right, so this one is my pick and it's me. Because Illy always fucking does it on pick, I'm doing it one time, bro. No, but this is uh off the Sir Westbrook album, bro, off the icon album. This is my verse on it. I'm gonna play mine. Sorry, verse, I gotta skip that because we got we time limit, fam. But uh, this is one of my this is the first verse I have recorded probably since I recorded with Ellie. Oh wow. Count me out. Damn near. Yeah. So shout out to uh Verse for putting me on this, bro. I highly appreciate it. It's called My Just My Life. Let's go. I know you point it.
SPEAKER_04Just the life I listen. Oh, dodge in the storm spring, God fucking money and pain it is what it is for the day. This the life I listen came from the bottom happy fire.
SPEAKER_03That was a perfect fit for that instrumental.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, he he when he sent it to me, I'm like, Oh, this is nice. And then I wrapped it, sent it back. He was like, Dog, that's exactly what I fucking like. I was like, thank you, bro, because I would I had I did not have was not ready for that.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_06And I fuck around and didn't record it for like a week or two, and then he hit me back, like, hey man, I really need that verse. I'm like, fuck. And I went home and did it that day.
SPEAKER_09Fuck it. Do you engineer yourself, actually?
SPEAKER_06Uh I didn't do that one, but I have obviously, yeah. And I'm an engineer actually for my second job at Ear Move MKU. Shout out your move MK.
SPEAKER_03Hell yeah. One of the things that I fuck with the most about your style is you're really good at taking a listener through like a life story or like uh, you know, like it almost sounds like I'm living life with you as a type of shit. You know, like that's one of the harder things for me to do. You know, I can do it pretty well, is like keep a story in a verse and shit, but like you do it like it's just water out the drain.
SPEAKER_06Like that's crazy because that's that's some shit I feel like I I have to work on still. Like I still want to do more, like bring you into the what's going on, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I feel like you're really good at that, bro.
SPEAKER_06That's what's up, man. Appreciate y'all, man. Appreciate verse, man. I love that verse. I definitely uh love the whole record too. So let's go. All right, man. This is uh Illy's pick, the boy KV, fam. KV several levels. This is my shit right here. Favorite MKE artists. Let's go.
SPEAKER_05Hey, turn that bitch up, Glory.
SPEAKER_06Five minutes on having ass.
SPEAKER_02I wanna make it to me better than you can.
SPEAKER_06Shout out to the bro. I fucking bro, KV is a technician with the words, bro.
SPEAKER_09Like I got I gotta learn, I gotta tap in more with KV. Bro, KV several. That was very one of them ones. That was very dope.
SPEAKER_06And he just raps like that every time for no reason and shit. Rapping ass. Hey man, that shirt you gave me was too small, man. These niggas be selling small ass shirts, bro.
SPEAKER_03Speaking of shirts, I'm rocking the cypher den. Let's go. Shout out to Denku. Yeah. Shout out to Denku.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_03If y'all got merch, man, y'all want to see it on the podcast, shoot us a message, send us some merch. I'm a size 2x, you know. Heck. I'm a three right now, an American 3X, my guy. So if y'all want to see y'all merch. Not an EU 3X. Space crime, what's your what's your size?
SPEAKER_09Hey, I take an L all day, baby. Let's go.
SPEAKER_06Space crime either large. Let's go. Send us some merch, bro. We will rock that shit. I literally only wear either my shit or Milwaukee shit. Like if it's some shit from somebody I like to wear. Yeah. And I wear it proud beef, man.
SPEAKER_03Love Milwaukee here. If y'all want to see y'all merch on the pod, holla at us, bro. We ain't even gonna charge y'all. Just you know, hook us up. Charge us, you just don't charge us.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, we ain't gonna charge you, don't charge us. All right, yeah. Hook us up. Because they be on that. It's some eyes on your shit. All right, man. We're gonna we're gonna do the guest pick, man. Uh, space crime pick running by Mo City featuring Holly Man, the Gemini problem. Yeah. And anytime I listen to these guys' music, bro, I fuck with Mo City and uh stacks in them, bro. The whole camp show is worth straight music.
SPEAKER_09Love the camp. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06All right, so let's go. This is called running. Let's go, Moe City.
SPEAKER_09And I've listened to this while running many a time.
SPEAKER_01Everything's fellow, my car, first in a hell. It's the leg of all kinds of mouse. I'm ripping smallin from my ass. And I'm sad in a relax, I'm flying with the mouse. It's cast the house, then I'm closing every sphere. Is under the roast I live up for the strings, take everything with the scene. The wrapping work, you're breaking them shit with beings. If I ain't got no face, I'ma have some face. You live on a dream in real life. I'ma broke nigga tryna see what they feel like. That's a real life. Don't drop plays out some ideal life.
SPEAKER_06Shout out to my bro. So like what you said about me and shit earlier, that's how I feel about when I listen to uh city. Him too, he's really good at it, bro. He has that like the vibe where I'm like, yeah, I feel all that, bro. Like I feel like I'm right there with you, bro. Like that shit, that shit valid, fam. I fucking love, I love my city, bro. I love the city of Milwaukee fam.
SPEAKER_08Yep.
SPEAKER_06Uh I love hearing the the range we have here. And uh thank God for the fact that we all said earlier, like that we can feel it changing, we see it changing. And I love that for y'all, bro. No bullshit. Yeah, you know, us, bro, because we're being a part of that. No, yeah, I feel it, but at the same time, I'm not even, you know, I'm cool with being just, you know, I stick to my uh I stick to my shit, bro, and uh I just if y'all embrace it, y'all embrace it, but I still fuck with y'all, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, that's what I mean. Like, you know, for us, you know, we're we're people now that we got the a platform to where we can embrace artists and showcase artists. You know, sometimes we play people on here that you know you've shown me artists that I didn't I wasn't too uh fond of like fond of, yeah, you know, and I'm pretty sure maybe vice versa, and but we still showcase them and we still give them their props for fucking putting out music and you know being in the streets, no, performing, you know, doing everything they do. Let's go. Everybody working. All right, let's go into some real talk. Real talk.
SPEAKER_06You want to do this one? He was like, This is the one. Yeah, yeah. Let's do this one and uh grabbing real quick. Let's go. This one is called just says in the thing, everybody gets paid off the artist except the artist. Incoming crash. Let's go.
SPEAKER_00When people want to act like artists don't have a right to be upset that they always gotta pay for everything. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying people should always get shit for free. But if people act like musicians and artists, or musicians specifically, they already paying the producer, the engineer, the DJ, the promoter, the fucking videographer, the photographer, the mic drops, the podcast, the interviews. We're paying everybody. What the fuck do the musicians get fucking paying? When you blow up, we just want to be fucking broke. Everybody who wants to be like, oh, what is the baby? If it wasn't for a fucking artist. No way.
SPEAKER_06Facts. Super fucking facts. I guess what's right, what's bad about that real talk is there's no we don't have any opposing views on this. But space crime. Let's let's hear it, man. How about how do you feel about it? Because know that she said musicians, so she didn't say rappers or DJs promotion. She said musicians. Well she said artists, though. Oh yeah, she did say artists, but you know, she when she said, you know, when do the musicians get paid? You know, because I feel like uh uh producers have that problem too. Yeah, yeah. You know, a producer might have it uh an extra one with the artist being like, I already paid everybody, I can't pay you, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So it sucks, you know what I'm saying? But how do you feel about that?
SPEAKER_09So basically what she's saying here is that she doesn't get paid enough for what she does.
SPEAKER_06No, no, so she what she's saying is so like as as a as a rapper, as an artist, a rapper.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06If I want to make uh uh what's it called, something pop, yeah, I gotta pay to get the studio session.
SPEAKER_08Yes.
SPEAKER_06I gotta pay to get to the studio session and back whatever travel time. Yeah, I gotta pay for the videographer.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_06I gotta pay if I want a DJ to spend my shit, I gotta pay the DJ to spend my shit.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Uh pay to play is a fucking thing for some people. You gotta pay to even get on the stage. Yeah, which that's where the problem is. Like what what where do we get paid at?
SPEAKER_09I'm not with the pay whole pay to play with then. It's pay to play. I've been I first heard about that for Heard about that for the first time like around 10 years ago.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_09Rubbed me the wrong way. Make sense. Instant it does not make any sense to me. I I feel like even it, even if all you can do is give the artist like 40 bucks, give them the 40 bucks. Don't asking an artist for 40 bucks because you're gonna bless them with a clout or something.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, uh opportunity or uh yeah, uh you get to perform for a crowd, it's a chance to no fuck you.
SPEAKER_09But yeah, it's like not only are they then getting free labor out of you.
SPEAKER_06Well, that's what she's saying right there. That's the point right there.
SPEAKER_09It's that I think if you book an artist, you you should pay that artist.
SPEAKER_06And she's not even saying to get paid, she's saying, you know, don't look at me funny because I won't, you know, I want you to just give me a slot at a show or oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06But she obviously she's saying get paid, but she's saying also like y'all look at us like we're just crybabies and we want handouts for opportunities. Yeah, motherfucker, if I'm paying for everything in the ecosystem, my part of the ecosystem is to come entertain and perform.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06So why not just let me come do that as opposed to trying to make a business move on me when I already done paid? She said I'm paying eight niggas bills, bro. That's facts.
SPEAKER_09No, I I I agree. I agree with her then. I guess the part part that was confusing me was I I've heard people crash out like that before, but they're like, So why should I pay a producer?
SPEAKER_06No, see, and that's what I can do.
SPEAKER_09You're making more from the and I don't charge a lot for beats. If people just want to lease a beat from me, it's 20 bucks. That's nothing. And uh I've seen some of these people still be mad, like, I don't even make 20 bucks off any of my songs. Like, well, you didn't have you don't have to buy a beat, you can make your own beats. You don't need this beat, yeah. Yeah, you know, like you don't need to go to to an engineer and pay an engineer, you you don't need to do these things, but if you really want to take it seriously and put like a professional foot forward, it probably is beneficial to invest in some of these more professional things, right? But you don't have to do it, and people do blow up off not doing it, yeah. Um, but and and also I I think people got to keep in mind you're building your it's not just that you're paying for an engineer or paying for some artwork, you're also building your community, you're forging relationships by paying this person a certain amount, and if that relationship goes well, they might be more prone to do more for less for you in the future if you're a steady customer, or they might shout you out somewhere important. Um, so yeah, I agree with her completely. From you should pay everyone you're working with to uh to get in a position where you're confident to perform your music live, but then when you're performing your music live, someone needs to be paying you to do that if it's in a venue, you know, a venue.
SPEAKER_06No, if there's a I feel like if there's a promoter who has a deal to make money, your expenses should include the entertainment. Absolutely, you know, like you shouldn't be fucking building your whole night off of having free artists and then and then and then wanting those artists to bring the people that you're gonna make the money off of. That part, you know what I mean? Like, and that should be killing me. That's why I don't like shows where it's fucking 40 artists on the bill. Yeah, because really you just want as many people to invite as many people as they can, yeah, and the music is already watered down, you know what I'm saying? Like it's already and and again, I'm gonna say this again my thought this time. Nobody wants to fucking hear 40 fucking artists in one night, bro.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. Facts. Uh, one of the things that I think about when I hear that is um how at the end she's like people criticize the artist for wanting to get uh paid, you know, they want their turn to get paid, you know, and it always seems like you know, because I I guess our opportunity to get paid usually comes from the person who's putting together the show. And like you said, they they always want us to do it for free. And then a lot of times there's I I've had this happen to me many times where producers will ask me to jump on a song, but they won't say anything about like, hey, you know, like I'll give you 50 bucks if you jump on this verse, you know what I'm saying? But when it's time for me to hit up a producer, you know, they need that money up there. Yeah, they need that, they want that money, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_09I I try to do it more of a trade, yeah. You know, if it's gonna be like that.
SPEAKER_03It should be, yeah, it should be. And and one of the things too is like I I understand the crash out because a lot of times artists are giving, giving, giving, and then nobody is looking to book the artist, and you know, and it's like, damn, I just worked with you for like two, three years, and you went and got such and such to fucking be at your show for free when you know we've been working together for such and such time. Like, yeah, you could have gave me a show opportunity, you know. I'm saying you didn't even put the opportunity out there for free, you just fucking went straight to the next motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Because they know that they don't gotta pay for that, yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know, so it's that part makes me understand, and then you know, artists get a lot of backlash, was like, say, you know, I don't know if it was you that said it when it was like when they when they hit, you know what I'm saying? But they'll get backlash like, damn, you didn't take us with you. Motherfucker, nobody wanted to pay me when I was fucking underground. Now that I'm on and people notice me, now y'all want to fucking roll with me and shit. Nah, nigga, you know, yeah, it is what it is. I made it, I paid all y'all out. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_06It's just it's just uh they they treat it like it's um like our art and creativity isn't a product, yeah. Yeah, that's what it is. They're treating it like you just want to do this, so like why wouldn't you just do it for me for free? Oh, like so. The people who do videos don't just want to make videos, yeah. The people who engineer music don't just want to engineer, like none of that shit matters. No, no, what do you mean? No, they're they're doing a product and a service. Well, when I come fucking perform for you, or I come rap on your shit, or I come fucking do a mic drop and shit like that. I'm that's you, that's for you, bro. That's your product that you need me to be on this for, bro. Otherwise, you can just drop a fucking beat tape, bro, or you can fucking do a mic drop your fucking self, bro. Just have a mic sitting there and play some music, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Record the fucking microphones just standing up. Just fucking right there.
SPEAKER_06What the fuck? Like, you know, like that, that's where it comes to me. It's like it comes to a head where it's like, bro, are you like saying that what I do is just for fun? Like, yeah, you're putting me back here, like, y'all, you just you don't this isn't a product, but it is. When when people could walk into an establishment and there's a stage in a fucking mic, bro, that that's supposed to be for entertainment. Yeah, and they've done so much bitch ass shit and had so many weak ass people come perform that they're like, Well, people don't even really be listening to y'all. No, that's because you're picking people who aren't uh more or less experienced, and they're not they're not uh professional, you know. Yeah, like if you have me come up and you explain to me what kind of show it is, I'm gonna do my job, I'm gonna perform. Even if you tell me, like, hey bro, this is more like a turn down. Oh, okay, let me go set up some shit. Let me see if I can go find a band. I could rap without cussing and I can make some shit nice and rap for you. I'm an entertainer, bro. I can do it, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, but you're like, ah no, I never mind. Let's go get the people who do it for free just because they're they're so thirsty, yeah, that they want 30 other artists to watch them perform. Man, fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, and I will say there's levels to this, right? Like for sure. If we're doing a show at Bremen Cafe and they don't even want you to charge at the door because all their shows are free. I get it. If you're like, look, if you want to come through and rock with us, come through and rock with us.
SPEAKER_06The intention matters, though. But yeah, when you say that, yeah, if space crime, if you hit me up and was like, heck, I got this shit, bro. I'm not charging at the door, nobody's fucking getting paid.
SPEAKER_09I would definitely make that abundantly clear. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Nobody's getting nothing off this, bro. It's uh I just really want it to be a good knight and I know you cold, bro. When people approach me with that intention behind it, bro, 90% of the time I'm like, Yeah, fuck yeah, I'll go do it. Especially if I know you and I fuck with you. But if I knowing you and fucking with you makes it way worse when you're like, hey, bro, I had somebody hit me and I got love for this nigga to this day, bro. I love him with all my heart. Shout out to you, not gonna say your name. But he hit me one time and literally ran down the list of who he was paying. He's like, I really can't pay for you know the the performances and shit because I gotta pay this, this, I gotta. I'm like, bro, did you just fucking text me and tell me in text messages?
SPEAKER_09Like, I'm the most important part. No one comes without the text. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_06That's what just me out about the DJ and the artist, bro. The DJ and the artist are the two people you absolutely should be fucking paying for their time, bro. Yes, yeah, you know, because not to mention, not to mention, real quick, and then I'm I'm gonna wrap it up on my end. Not to mention the fucking 20, 30 years I've been fucking rapping to myself and with my friends, and all the times that I fucking rap every day and like taught myself how to be better to fucking rap, just for you to be like, yeah, fuck all that. Fuck your entire half of your life, bro. Yeah, I need you to do this for free.
SPEAKER_03Fuck you, bro. Yeah, and so that's one thing that I think about it is like how you were saying, like, they think we just wanna rap. Yeah, like no, a lot of times when I hear a beat, I don't even fucking, I'm not inspired to write to the beat when I'm listening to the beat. Like, I have to force myself to think of words in a specific way, and then somewhere along the line through the verse, I'll be like, all right, this shit is fucking code. All right, this is coming easier now. But I have to force myself to write to a beat. You know what I'm saying? It's not like I'm just 100% inspired every moment of the day. Yeah, you know, so it's like you gotta work out the kinks and shit.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you know, I mumble a lot of my shit before I go up. Yeah, I'll be like, I no, no, no, no, I'm gonna do another. Oh, yeah, this works. And then I write, start, and then my words start coming. It's not like I'm just yay, we're rapping, huh? And just fucking rap. Like, I'm about to rap.
SPEAKER_03Like, yeah, I mean, I have obviously, but it's not just it's not like And there's a there's a um, you know, uh, I guess a quote or whatever, a story about um, you know, young Michelangelo, he's in a cafe or whatever, and somebody comes into the cafe, they have a napkin, and he's doodling on the napkin, and then you know, he crumbles the napkin up, and somebody realizes like shit, that's fucking Michelangelo fucking doodling on a napkin. And the lady goes up to him and she says, Can I have the napkin? And he says, It'll be $10,000, you know. And she's like, $10,000, you just crumpled it up and was gonna throw it away. And he was like, Well, yeah, but and she's like, It that's just a doodle. And he's like, Yeah, but it took me 20 years to know how to doodle like this, yeah. Yeah, yeah, so and then he takes the napkin, even though he crumbles it up, he puts it in his pocket and walks out, you know, like because she didn't want to pay the money, but like, you know, took me my entire life to learn how to do this, bro.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so I'm not just up here, you know, but like again, they choose to let that happen. Yeah, oh, we'll just pick some people who are thirsty as fuck. Yep, and that that's a whole nother uh conversation, but it it ruins the ecosystem, it really does. Yeah, Milwaukee Milwaukee will when that when Milwaukee breaks out of that, we're gonna we're just gonna start going places.
SPEAKER_03But to sum it up, you definitely deserve to be paid for what you for sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, hey, you guys too.
SPEAKER_03So you guys too, absolutely, yep, yep, you know, or at least like you said, having some type of barter system, you know. Yeah, I would say verses for beats or something like that.
SPEAKER_09Let's put out a collaboration project, or you know, yeah, I've been I've been lucky in that in that regard, but there's also I feel like like mad static and cats like that. Like I've never been like, yeah, you owe me this and this and this for this beat. Yeah, but I also know I'm on the paperwork. I was just gonna say, I was just gonna say all the paperwork is legit.
SPEAKER_06Is there among friends? Yeah, then there's no worries, bro. As long as we got that shit written down, signed, everybody got their uh publishing numbers.
SPEAKER_09We got our publishing, we're good.
SPEAKER_06Everybody like whatever is fucking create and have fun.
SPEAKER_09And we're we're all in it equally, essentially, you know. Yeah, if we make this song blow up, we get ten dollars each. You know, fact like one million streams. Here's your ten dollars. Lunch on me.
SPEAKER_03Make doubles for everybody. So we we've reached the end. Thank you very much, Space Crime, for coming through.
SPEAKER_09Thank you guys. Thanks, Illy. Thank you.
SPEAKER_03Thanks, Heck helping us put on that immaculate performance in the beginning of the episode. That was so fun. You know, that that beat was insane. I was right on. Yeah, you guys killed it. Shout out to Heck for choosing that beat and making me see the value. Yeah, that tempo, you know, talk my shit, had to talk my shit. Oh yeah. Yes. But um that concludes this episode of the R414R podcast brought to you by Illy Street Team Hectic, the R414R Media Studio, and our guest for episode 50, Space Crime.
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