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All 414 All Podcast Episode 48 W/ Charismatic
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Episode 48 The talented Charismatic opens the show with a well delivered, highly lyrical performance! We then speak his artistry in many aspects and the way he navigates the multiple creative outlets!! We then have an amazing conversation on the shaping of our realities and the perspectives that come with it!! Also talks of why beat availability could’ve contributed to the decline of good music and AI forcing fans to come to live shows!!
I'm a spiritual. I've been tapping into the energy of my hair to go. I've been cracking into the energy like a statue. I've been hacking into the energy like a cracking cold. I can have a hole. Ask me if I'm a lack of no, I've been cracking double. Ain't having a napin' hole, I've been passing hole. Every moment my path is on poppin' no option could never properly pass a flow. I'm an asther, kid, double expert. See a backward to become a switchy asper. I'm an actor. Chris wasn't coming to laughter. That's Chris top of my kick buckets up in the craft. I'ma climb down to the pinnacle with my neck. Y'all run my brows through the window, so the window page win in my lane is in the plate. I've been penetrating through the game, I am miniflate. I'm a dynamic stake in front of the physical plate. Probably with your baby like your mother on a dinner day. Cutting on the way they get a pop of gold in every state. I done walk for days, I got the kind of stroll to emulate. But still can't break it down, I'm making sounds alone to hear me wait. Let's be stop rolling like a periscape. I clearly can't pair away danger easily. I have eliminated Wait. You can leave a double with a bumble. You know what they finna take you, walk a wanna bumma stimulating. That's me wanna monk and then double and then muck a mama spin. Let's be double walking and double and must come and come in. What a motivate the people. When I come in, they tell me they believe I don't think you make you evil. Maybe it's making people so when people sleep as people and this people watching for all of my people holding dreams to a goin' over sleepers. I hope they go to sleep soon. We dreamin' bigger and leaving liftin' and steamin' quicker. I see my nigga deleting me, so I leave the picture. If he believes in the reason we even need it, no way he just see every seat and leaving. I need to read it. I know the feet is me, and I'm just speaking urgent. I need to see a fee for me. I call it reimbursement. I've been speaking the urge. They came to their fleetin' and surgery. We do what we do and work to be peaceful and regal, but equally dirty. Call me Hercules, how I be liftin' pillars. They said what it wasn't worth to eat, then I'm eat chicken dinners. This is how you feel the back and take it when you've been a winner. Feelin' like I'm bubblin' past Jamaican dog, I've been a swimmer. Flowing over oceans and beyond. Let's go. Appreciate y'all.
SPEAKER_06Big dog shit. Hey, what the f throw them horns at this kid.
SPEAKER_01Fuck it.
SPEAKER_03Bro, like so, all right. I don't even know. I'm a lyrical maniac over here. God damn. So, so I didn't know you was like that, right? And I remember I it was at quarters when y'all all did like the little uh collab fucking performance, bro. And uh you just got to rapping, and I'm like, okay, he killing it. And then like you never let up, like you just your syllables. I'm like, oh shit. Then you did a second song, the same shit. I'm like, bro, every syllable this nigga's rhyming all that shit, bro. Like, yeah, shout out to you, bro. That shit was fucking fire. Big shout out to you. That reimbursement line got me. I was like, because you know I didn't think how you I didn't know how you was gonna tie in the reimbursement. That's just reimbursement. I was like, oh the chicken dinners.
SPEAKER_06I'm handing out chicken dinners.
SPEAKER_08Hey, this is cooked.
SPEAKER_06Duh, you a monster. Uh same. Same thing he just said. I felt the same way the first time I got to see you perform. Uh, that was over at Can I? Um, Beezy was on stage, and then you know, you had you know slowly crept your way in. I'm like, who's this guy? You know, and then they're like, Oh, if anybody wants to freestyle, you dog, you got up there and did what you just did right now. And I'm like, oh my god, like that's low, bro.
SPEAKER_03That's love. And not to uh since I don't know, I'm not just gonna uh say it for you, but from my perspective, shout out to Patch and Park CF the way y'all be doing y'all. Yeah, yeah, family, bro. Okay, I'm just I'm just making sure, you know. But shout out to y'all, bro, because niggas brought the DJ from the back and he started killing shit.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, like even they DJ code, bro.
SPEAKER_03I'm everywhere for real. I'm everywhere.
SPEAKER_06I said, I'm everywhere, you ain't never there.
SPEAKER_03I was like, bro, all right. So that they got the motherfucking skateboard, little white boy shit, killing shit, right? BZ murdering shit. David Lopez up there, just motherfucking. You don't know if this nigga hosting or rapping, he just killing shit.
SPEAKER_08Or you never like acting.
SPEAKER_03Hey, hey, stop the music, DJ. He came up like, I'm killing this. Oh shit, they got everybody raping, yeah. They all cold. Yeah, yeah, no, we be going crazy. No, yeah. Shout out to y'all, bro. No bullshit, bro. Shout out to the whole shit, bro.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03All right, Mike Check.
SPEAKER_06You now tapped into the R414 Podcast, where hometown artistry is supported, recorded, and awarded an interview from the number one platform in the city. Before we dive into today's episode, take a brief moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell so you can stay updated on future episodes as we continue to bring the truest talent our hometown has to offer. I am your host, the 414 Tycoon, more commonly known as Illy, and joining me as co-host is my lyrical brethren, the verbal executionist Street Team Hectic. These episodes are brought to you out of the all 414 All Media Studio. This week for episode 48, we got an independent artist who's commonly known for his DJ ability, but is a multidisciplinary creative director whose abilities reach far into rap, songwriting, painting, and other forms of artistic expressions. We take pleasure in introducing y'all to the owner of Rainbow Gardenia's Charismatic.
SPEAKER_07How y'all feeling? How y'all feeling? Oh, appreciate y'all. Appreciate y'all having me, bro.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, no, thank you for being here, bro. Another great you're just helping the the uh immaculate record continue.
SPEAKER_07Hey bro, I saw I saw how everybody else came, so I had to, you know what I mean. No, you you were crazy, bro.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, especially else in that fam. That was uh, you know, there was like five of all y'all put together when we did that. You know, because niggas come on here and do they shit, but yeah, what you did was some shit that certain other people do. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's love. But uh real quick, I I'm I'll be fucking Illy's questions up sometime. No, no, it's perfect, you know, in case she didn't. Uh tell me about the painting thing, because I knew you was a beast with the rapping and shit. I seen you on stage, all that. Uh as we knew you were coming on, I'm looking on your social media and shit. And then uh we could chop it all day, me and you. You be you be talking some crazy shit that I like to talk about, you know. But then you were just like, hey, you know, what's up? It's charismatic, the world's most creative, and then you just walked in the room, was like, I got this pain, and then I sold this, and I was like, Oh shit. Like, so just explain that to me a little bit.
SPEAKER_07Uh bro, um so I was born, like I I was born and put onto this earth to create. Like, that's that's kind of just I'm certain about that. Um, I got introduced to arts and crafts when I was like three, four years old, and I remember asking my mom, like, yo, why is everybody coloring in the lines? Like, she was like, you don't have to. And like that changed my entire life. So, like, and I brought plucking little melodies on the keyboards and stuff, but like, bro, I was just always in like extra art classes in like second grade, eighth grade, things like that. Um, I never got into any actual like instruction, like like classical training or anything. I could never get into a piano class. Like, yeah, everything that I learned, I really had to teach myself. But what really made me lock in, bro, I was going to school for music, um, and I was selling paintings here and there. Um, and after I graduated, I broke my jaw, bro. And I'm a rapper, I've been rapping since I was six. So like when I broke my jaw, I could literally only open my mouth a certain amount of times a day. Like I was still recording music, still performing and stuff, but like I couldn't do everything that I'm used to doing. Like, bro, I like to freestyle for 45 minutes. I couldn't do that. So like I literally had to like find the other creative side of me. And I already was making paintings and things, so like that just had to become my creative language, but that's also how I learned digital design and video editing and all kind of stuff. Yeah, but um, and then I don't know, man, maybe like six months ago, I was working at Cheesecake Factory, and uh still shout out to y'all, I still love y'all. But I love YouTube Cheesecake Factory, I was working at Checkshake once, but I was working at Cheesecake Factory and I never really reached a point where I needed to leave, bro. There was it was like it was like a kind of disrespectful situation, and we just weren't gonna see eye to eye. Um so bro, I dove out and I just like bet on myself again. And it hasn't been an easy road, but for the past six months, bro, I've legitimately been living and surviving just off of my creativity, off of my art, like selling paintings. I got myself a residency, like yeah, dog.
SPEAKER_06So basically, con Kanye stole your jaw story.
SPEAKER_07Literally that, bro. A week after surgery, I was on stage performing selling paintings at this low event. Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_03Like, that's fucking amazing, bro. Like, I'm not gonna lie, that's why I love asking questions like that. Cause I wasn't expecting that at all. Yeah, I thought he was gonna be like, you know, I just like painting this shit, bro. Dude, the wire was about you, you know what I mean? Like, bro, you got a real like, I do like the paint, but that's really like no, yeah. Obviously, it's something you like to do, but it's like you know, you got weight behind that, bro. That's not something that you just just like I'm gonna just paint and make some, you know, you was like, hey, I have to, because otherwise I can't do what I really want, so I might as well do something else. Yeah, that's cold, bro. And I and I like your uh the the aesthetic of how you come with the paintings.
SPEAKER_06Appreciate that.
SPEAKER_03No bullshit, because it was way different. Like, I'm watching, because you know, I found myself watching it, and I was like, all right, you know, usually I'll be like, all right, that's cool. He be pay, you know, not you, but like anybody. Oh, that's what's up. They be doing other shit, scroll, you know what I'm saying? I found myself like that's what's up, oh shit, and then you started explaining the pain. You know, I got this, I got the leg over here, I got the other leg. And I was like, Oh shit, that shit called, you know what I'm saying? I'm all into the story of it, you know.
SPEAKER_06I mean, like I was like, last time you seen these dolphins, they were yeah, they were added. This you know, that shit that shit caught my eye, bro.
SPEAKER_03I was like, oh shit, this is cold. That's what's up.
SPEAKER_06That's the whole story behind this, bro. Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's um very dope how you just explain, you know, gave us the whole uh backstory. Uh, because now that you are betting on yourself and really relying on your creativity, for me as somebody who's bet on myself and I'm a business person. Um, I I own a window 10 business. I've been in business for like 10 years. Um once you bet on yourself and you're creative, you get creative with how to market yourself. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. You can't do that until you bet on yourself. Exactly. You know, and that's where most creatives fail because they never step away from like the income side and like how to creatively, you know, it's just it's another avenue of it's like painting, but with finances. You find ways to like bring in financial abundance.
SPEAKER_07Life itself is art. But like dog, you have to like you have to legitimately buy into yourself 100%, and then good or bad, the world has to react to that. You know what I mean? But they if you're only being like 60% of yourself because you're trying to be 40% and whoever you've seen on the internet or whatever, like the world can only give you 60% of what you're supposed to have. Like the only way to get 100 is to be 100% you, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's facts. I'm in trouble.
SPEAKER_03I gotta find hitting this kid in the corner all day. I gotta find that shit, bro. Cause that's it's tough. Like, cause thinking about not having that, you know, because I I I work myself into a fucking bitch ass like rat race, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not, I gotta, I gotta work, you know what I mean? Yeah, and it's hard, it's hard not to, fam. Like, it's hard to like think about oh, I can't take my kid on vacation next week or next year. Or I can't say I feel you. But I also not not and I don't think envy's the word, but it's more of a like I'll be on the sidelines watching y'all do y'all shit, and I'm like, damn man, I've like I really because I got ideas, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06That's gonna switch up for him this year though. Now I'm not big illy here. Look at it. Big Illy here, the the podcast is here. I've already told him, I'm like, I've told him, fuck it. I want you to be able to work full time for the podcast. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, bro, life. I've told him that already, you know. We're gonna find the avenues of where we can bring in the money, the sponsorships, and whatever we need to do to you know, it there's no reason if he can make uh 100k a year in construction or whatever, you can make a hundred K a year doing something else, no bullshit.
SPEAKER_07Money everywhere, bro. That's the goal, no bullshit.
SPEAKER_06And and I had to realize that too, you know. When I was before I got into window tenting, I was doing asphalt pavement, you know, and I had a CDL and I was driving, and I just I got tired of how they were treating me, and I was like, all right, you know, there's gotta be something else that's gonna be. It comes to a point, bro.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it comes, and bro, like everybody's not built for entrepreneurship and really like betting on yourself. But bro, if you really have something and you really believe it's worth something, you have to you actually owe it to all of creation to do that.
SPEAKER_03You have to and that right there, that what you said, like everybody's not meant for it, right? So this is just me being transparent. Sometimes a motherfucker be like, Well, what if I'm one of them that I'm tripping and I think I got it? You know what I mean? So it's like I'm like, shit, what if I'm I think I got it, but you know, low low key, I'm really good at getting these paychecks doing this other shit.
SPEAKER_06No, that's one perspective. Like I think everybody, I personally believe everybody is meant for entrepreneurship once they reach a certainity.
SPEAKER_07Your shit. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06If you if you exactly once you find what you're here to do, and then you reach a certain maturity within yourself, yeah, everybody is meant for, you know, but like I agree with that. When you're fucking 16 or 17, like, no, you need to go work for somebody, learn how to lead, learn how to take orders, you know, because there's a you know when you're running a business and shit, a lot of times uh the majority of running a business is not actually being the person giving the directions, you know what I'm saying? Like I find myself all the time, heck knows this when he comes to my shops, he always sees me working. That's right. You know, I'm never not working and not being a part of the team. And you know, I'm I'm there to do whatever needs to be done, you know.
SPEAKER_07That's how you build a good team too, if they see the leaders doing the same thing they'll do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06And I get employees all the time that are like um, you know, they're just they're unsure of their capabilities and they need to see it done in real time. You know what I'm saying? So and I'm there to do it, you know.
SPEAKER_03So it's like Yeah, I learn a lot more better like that. Like, not even just like let's not even say like just business, just overall. If you write any job I've ever had, if motherfuckers was right there, like hey, this is how you do it, and I watch you do the shit and you right there to show me exactly how to do it, I'm gonna learn a thousand percent faster and better. As opposed to you be like, hey, this is the this is the fucking the handbook.
SPEAKER_07You eliminate a lot of trial and error, bro. Like I'm I'm self-taught in a lot of things, but bro, that's a longer path. Like, like and it's cool. Like, I've I've developed like my own artistic language and everything. But dog, no bullshit. If I went and got a teacher now, bro, my shit would be colder because now I have a direction to like yeah, you feel me?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so yeah, and I I think the whole um not everybody's meant for entrepreneurship, that only applies once you put the government into it, you know, because there's a lot of like technicality paperwork you gotta file, and even I'm not good at a lot of that stuff, you know. So like I have to outsource that to accountants and shit like that, you know, and that's what makes business hard. But if it was like that is the back in the earlier days where everybody used to have little mom and pop shops, you can just have a thing and sell it. Yeah, the government wasn't really like a part of it. Then everybody's an entrepreneur, then everybody can do it.
SPEAKER_07But that's back to like you only gotta make enough for yourself. It's like back to the barter system and shit. Like, yeah, exactly. I got this little thing, you got this other thing we just trade, bro. We don't got it.
SPEAKER_06Exactly. Yeah, you know, and anybody could literally find something that they can make and trade with somebody else.
SPEAKER_03I feel I feel what you're saying, because the system is built for you to use the systems like if you try to step out of that, it's really hard for you to, you know, because they're like, hey, you can make some money, but or you could trade some shit, but eventually in whatever trade you do down that line somewhere, somebody gonna have to spend that money with us. Right. So no matter what, that's just coming back over here, bro. Like I see what you're saying though. That does make it tough that that adds a whole new layer of fucking bullshit to that's where everybody's not yeah, everybody's not cut out from it.
SPEAKER_07I agree with that though. I do think everybody has a thing that they could make money from, yeah, or or use like make a living from, not necessarily money, but like yeah.
SPEAKER_06All right, bro. Um so you dropped a small EP this year, um, that's called the Flight Plan. Give us a give us a little uh expose about that. You know, how did that uh I mean it's only three songs, but it's you know, it's three good songs.
SPEAKER_07Appreciate that. Yeah, um, I produced that entire thing.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_07Um so that adds to it. Yeah, shout out to that.
SPEAKER_06Once once somebody writes the lyrical version of a song, and then they also produce the song, yeah. Basically, you just made six songs.
SPEAKER_03Like I was just gonna say, I was gonna say, fuck your 10-song EP if all you did was rap on it and this nigga did three songs and produced all three. Yeah, did you engineer it?
SPEAKER_07Uh half. Julian Julian main mixer. I was just I was just trying to uh not the ending. Recorded it, I recorded it, yeah, yeah. Okay, so yeah, nine. Now that's nine.
SPEAKER_03Moving forward though, I'm I'm mixing my own shit. You know what I'm saying though? Like that that even ups it even more. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07That's love. I never think about it.
SPEAKER_03Hell but producing anything for yourself, bro. You are fucked. That's that's like I've never produced a song for myself ever. I've never done a beat and then recorded over.
SPEAKER_07I got a lot of beats.
SPEAKER_03Because I got a lot of beats.
SPEAKER_06I got one of the new EPs that I'm dropping this year is six songs so far. Facts, facts. Um, I produced all six of them, and then I wrote the hook to all six of them and my verse, and then I got a feature artist who's you know, we're doing the project together, but it damn near feels like I did 12 plus songs. Damn next. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07Because like all the time you spent on it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, all the time I spent, you know, the hours I spent producing the song was just about as much time as I spent writing the lyrics of the song.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, you know, so um shit. So yeah, flight plan, bro. Um first of all, I wanted it to be so quick that um you could hear the end of it and it just starts playing again at the beginning and you don't even notice. I think it's like seven, seven or eight minutes. That's the shortest thing I've ever done. I got songs that are eight minutes long. Um so when I produce, and this isn't even like a conscious thing, I like to make music that makes me feel like I'm floating. Whether it's a boat or a plane or a spaceship or a cloud, I just like to feel like I'm floating. Um so production-wise, that's like where the vibe came from. But the first song, the uh fuselage, um I wrote that song like a year ago, and it I just had an idea a long time ago to make a song that was like I was in an airport. So like the first song is like you're taking off, wake up, it's time to rub your eyes all that. The second song is like you're on the flight, and the third song is when you're like coasting down, going to the next land. Um like production-wise, I just honestly wanted to make it kind of cohesive. If you listen to the first song and the third song, there's like a middle hook that's the same words. Um yeah, bro. I don't know. I just want to make a real real floaty vibe song, but I I wanted to produce it my that was important and I produced it myself.
SPEAKER_03So um, I get that vibe from you, bro. Like you super just like, nah, I gotta this shit gotta make fucking sense like the way it is. Cause I I what's funny is I feel like I'm like that, but I will definitely let that go for the sake of just uh the release date type shit. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, like I'm like that. Like I feel Italy probably knows more now that we've been working together, but I'm super like particular about certain shit, you know what I'm saying? But if it's for the sake of all right, we gotta get it done right now, or we need this right now, or I told motherfuckers I was doing it in October, now I gotta do it in October, you know what I'm saying? Like I I'll not that I'll sacrifice it, but you know, I could just tell that you that you're not fucking around.
SPEAKER_07You like, nah, my shit gotta match this shit over here. And my thing is I'm not even gonna tell you it's coming in October till I'm done this song. Tell you shit. Yeah, no, I learned I learned the hard way. Um I learned the hard way, right? I gotta shut the fuck up. Like everything's valid for real. And sometimes putting arbitrary pressure on yourself like makes you rise to some again. Okay, I feel what you said. Yeah. But it's just like remembering that it's arbitrary. And like, bro, I've been making music for so long. I'm just I'm past that part of like yeah, feeling like I need to prove anything, or you feel me?
SPEAKER_03Like, no, I feel I'm entering that. That's where I'm at right now. Which is valid.
SPEAKER_07I'm just entering yo, the chip on your shoulder phase is important. Like, no, facts. Um, I'm just yeah, I'm just a little bit past that. I'm chilling right now. That's all.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Perfect example. He hit me with uh something that he made the other day, and he's like, You think this is dope? And I was like, uh, it needs this, this. He was like, uh wasted time. I I was ready to drop it.
SPEAKER_03No bullshit. I was like, I was like, Yeah, I just did this shit for nothing.
SPEAKER_06It's crazy.
SPEAKER_03You don't like it, man. I'm throwing the fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_06I was like, you know, it needs like two minor changes. Just change it real quick. Oh no, bro. No bullshit. That shit was funny. Um, yeah, but so when I heard the EP, and then you know, I listened to um this other project that you dropped last year. Um, that one's I think them days is coming soon.
SPEAKER_07Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER_06I can really tell, like the majority of your music you had, like you can put out music. Like it's not a challenge for you to put out, you know, 14, 15 song albums, you know. So like the that right there signals to me when an artist puts out a small EP, it was strategic, it was for a reason. They had an idea they needed to um give out to the world real quick, you know, and just get out their system, and then it's like back to you know the work, yeah, back to the bigger picture, you know. Cause I I do that too with you know a couple of the stuff that I got uh, you know, I can put out large bodies of music, but then I'll have like a side idea and I'm like, ooh, I need to while I'm working on that big idea, you know. So it's like almost like painting, you know. If you're working on a big painting and then you're like you just have this other idea and you're like, all right, let me do this little painting.
SPEAKER_07I work on seven at a time, bro. Like minimal. Um but dog you said you just said something that made me think. Um with the uh the other thing with flight plan that I wanted to get specific was that I wanted to be able to perform the entire EP within whatever set somebody gave me. Yeah, okay. If they're like, yo, you got a five, six minute set, bro, seven minutes, I could do the whole shit. Yeah, I've done the entire EP several times. Like so that part alone is that might be the most beautiful part for me. Let's go. Yeah, like I fuck with that. That's a good idea.
SPEAKER_03I fuck with that because I'm I'm like that with my show mixes. Like, I've like you if you give me five minutes, I'm doing four songs, bro. Like, I'm doing you know what I'm saying? So that idea is cold. Like, oh, I just made an EP that I could do on any set. You feel me? My whole set could be the whole EP. Literally, you mean ten minutes? Done. Yeah, so that's what I'll be doing. That's fucking fire. I like that. Yeah, I fuck with that idea. Fuck this. That's right. That's fire. I'm over here thinking, like, man, I can I could do that, bro. I could do four four verses just real quick, the hook verse hook, and then do four of them hoes. Why not? Like, how much time I got? Three minutes. I'm doing all my shit, bro. That's easy.
SPEAKER_06Um, so what what's your experience as far as the Milwaukee music scene? Like, how long have you been active, uh collaborating with other artists in the music scene? Um, how do you feel about it? You know, where do you think it's going?
SPEAKER_07Um, so I just moved to Milwaukee maybe three and a half years ago. Okay. Something like that. Three and a half years ago. Um I started doing shows within I think it was within like six months. Uh Julian had a show the the night that Kieve came back to Milwaukee and like did his first little freestyle at uh I want to say it was at Bremen or quarters. That was my first time ever freestyling, ever rapping in front of any of these people. But that's the night I met David Lopez, and I said the night I met Key. I I'm from New Jersey originally, but I came from Florida.
SPEAKER_03Okay. I ain't got no problem with either of those places. I thought you were going to Chicago. Shout out to New Jersey. I was gonna end the interview with him.
SPEAKER_07Uh so yeah, I met David Lopez and then that night. Um and then just like next week, met like meet Zeus and everybody. Um end up meeting BZ like a year later or whatever. Um but bro, no bullshit. Like from the moment that I met certain people, like slits, um, we've been locked in. Yellow, FA, like it's been like family from the moment we met. We've just been looking out for each other, we've been locked in, we've been making beautiful music. Um I look, bro, the lifestyle that I live just as a result of living in this creative space and like being around all these other creative people, bro. We live like a we live like this magical, mystical, not real lifestyle. Bro, yesterday me and David Lopez went to Summerfest and then randomly we got taken into VIP to go watch Baja Men do uh Who Let the Dogs Out. That's a bucket list item I didn't even have on my stuff. Right.
SPEAKER_03So like and David Lopez was like, What you on, bro?
SPEAKER_07I should have fucking stayed.
SPEAKER_03Bro, you should have pulled up. Remember, he was like, What you on? I'm like, shit, I gotta go take the kids to the fireworks and see what's going on. When I say like I could have stayed there and fucking watch who let the dogs out.
SPEAKER_07Facts. When I say that's the everyday occurrence, and like, and it's to the point now I'm doing my art and stuff, like like I'll have three events in a day with three different groups of people in three different locations, and it's just like vibes and opportunities everywhere. Um and I'm blessed to literally do everything. So, bro, whether I'm live mixing or I'm DJing or I'm rapping or I'm I'm not generally just in the crowd of the show. Like I'm generally doing something. Yeah, you behind the scenes at some point. Yeah. Um so bro, having the ability just to like experience all this and to watch like to watch things like uh Bar Fest start going up and I was there at the first one to watch Kieve go from being a little timid and shy to like using his awkwardness as like a shoot superpower now, like to watch uh Zeus and Nellie flourish bro freestyle their wedding. Like bro, it'd be real like bro, I recorded ice cream, so I press record on that. It's like little opportunities that like are truly beautiful. Um and I think I think at least from my vantage point, there's like little groups and little clicks, but like everybody does their best to like come together for whatever the event is and no bullshit. Bro, I'm not from here. The fact that people think about Milwaukee music and my name's on the list is like it's like actually crazy, it's like a fever dream, bro. Yeah, you feel me? So shout out to Milwaukee.
SPEAKER_03So this is this is something I want to say that I don't think I've ever said this on the pod, bro, but um, because I myself am on the side of like this motherfucker be separated. Like we come me and Illy are from that era of Milwaukee music, bro. For sure, for sure. Motherfuckers did not like I get a lot of uh and I've never said this out of my own mouth all that heck, you the south side fucking king, and you're the south side boss, and all this dumb shit. I've never said that, but that comes because we were in an era where niggas wasn't doing shows north and south and east, niggas was on the south side, niggas on the north side, and we used to just go to the north side all the time, you know what I'm saying? So that's the separation was just always there.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I came in, it was like integrated.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's crazy, bro. Like, it's crazy how y'all have that now compared to because back then it was not like that. But what I was gonna say is uh as much as I talk shit and all that shit about like the separation and you know the segregation, and not even racially, I'm talking about just sides, just it's just segregated in so many ways, you know, financially, all that shit. As much as all that shit can be true all at once. Milwaukee has been a place that has embraced me. Me too, you know what I mean. That's why I'm saying it. Because what you're saying is like, you know, it embraces you, bro. Milwaukee has love, bro. Like, there's love here for everybody, bro. They they they will and they'll talk shit. Oh, funny head ass looking ass, you know, they'll rib you, they'll talk shit, they'll drag you through the fucking mud, bro. They'll but they they will love you, fam. You know what I'm saying? This motherfucker has love here, bro.
SPEAKER_07You know, I got real fam, like I got real people, I consider real brothers.
SPEAKER_03That's what I'm saying. Like, bro, I'm I'm damn near, and because I lived a lot of places too. I actually lived in New Jersey and Florida before. That's crazy. But but uh uh Patterson, New Jersey, RS, and then I lived in uh uh Coral Springs, Florida, which is like right out of Fort Lauderdale. Yeah, yeah. All right, but uh fucking like all these places I lived and shit, but I'm I don't I don't I'm scared to leave this motherfucker. Not because I'm scared of like new adventures or anything, it's just because I've lived so many places and then I found my home here, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07Bro, I've put because I brought in work in a bunch of other places, but dog, the holistic creative lifestyle that I'm building right now, like and with a group of people that I really fuck with, like I really enjoy these people, just as humans, like aside from the fact that bro, I also need to say this. Um have you ever heard of the high Ashbury district in like California? I went to music school, so like back in the day, like the High Ashbury district in California, it all the like psychedelic rock people lived there, like Janice Joplin and the Doors, like everybody lived in a certain area. Bro, I'm I feel very certain that like at a certain point history books are gonna look back on this time period in Milwaukee and talk about the fact that we were all here because it's not normal for every single person to be this good at what they do, like at the same time. Yeah, yeah. It's not normal, bro.
SPEAKER_06How are I think about that shit a lot?
SPEAKER_07How are me, Keeve, and BZ just regular friends in the same house? You feel me? Right. Like, how did how are me and BZ the best two rappers? And and we're just cool, like, bro. Yeah, I feel exactly like everybody's too good, bro. Like, literally, y'all are crazy at rapping, like everybody's too good.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's not two cold ass rappers who got a cold ass podcast, not normal, it's really not normal, though.
SPEAKER_03Like, no, I see, and then what's fucking crazy is you putting it like that's crazy just fucked me. I never even think about that a lot. I never thought, I never think about that shit. You know what I'm saying? I'll be like I said, I'm still I I'm but I love the vibe that y'all bring as a collective. That's all I love because like that's why when I say, Hey man, I gotta come fuck with y'all, bro. I want to be a part of them when y'all be having them crazy ass group. I'll be seeing that shit on like on Facebook and shit. I'll be like, these motherfuckers, bro. I can't believe these motherfuckers didn't call me. You like just cuz I'll be like, Man, I want that. I want I want to connect like that too.
SPEAKER_07All you gotta do is uh hit somebody. I don't be like, I'm on my way. I already know shit.
SPEAKER_03Anytime I've ever hit BZ, he be like, Come on.
SPEAKER_07And look, you know what I'm saying? So I don't even be having no plan, I'll just be over there.
SPEAKER_03I'll just be there. Yeah, no, facts, and that's what I'm saying, but I'll just be there. I'm I'll just be talking shit because I'm cause you know, because I'm not, so I'll be salty.
SPEAKER_07But pull up, bro, because yo, I keep my studio in my car, bro.
SPEAKER_06Let me just drive past there, see what they're up to. I'll do that. That's what he's saying.
SPEAKER_07I'll do that sometimes.
SPEAKER_06I'm finna I'm finna just go drive out what y'all.
SPEAKER_07One time I got some muffins from pick and save, and I pulled up to the house, and we just we all broke down some muffins, bro. Come on, bro.
SPEAKER_06Like how uh basically, like back in the 90s and shit when you were kids or yeah, like just go. Just ride your bike over to your friend's house and see what the fuck is going on, you know.
SPEAKER_03Now you gotta look who's car out there and shit.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, dog nigga.
SPEAKER_03Don't be driving past my house uninvited. No, you know, and and that's what it is, bro, is that I've gotten into uh like because niggas can't do that in my house. Don't fucking come to my house. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, and not that uh, like if I've seen y'all at my house or something, I'll be like, hey, what the fuck? But I'll be you know, it's not that vibe, you know what I'm saying? For sure. Because I and I and I've gotten into that vibe so much, the grown-up dad, this is where my kids is at, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, but it's almost refreshing to see y'all how y'all move, bro. You know what I'm saying? And and like you said, the whole Milwaukee shit, but real quick, just to wrap up exactly what I was saying. Milwaukee could be everything and it could all be true at once. But if it's one thing this motherfucker will do is embrace you, fam. It will embrace you, yeah, and whether it hate you, love you, dislike you, rock with you, it don't fuck with you, this motherfucker gonna claim you, nigga. This you from Milwaukee, no matter what, fam. You know what I'm saying? Oh, this is this is the the the hometown fam. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_06Kind of how you said it, even if it uh you know it embraces you in a fucking negative way, it's almost like um, you know how there's that saying where like, nigga, I could talk shit about my brother, but don't say shit about my you can't say nothing about it. I'll talk shit about every rapper. I can say whatever the fuck I want about my brother.
SPEAKER_03If you say shit about my brother, yeah, oh, them Milwaukee niggas, what that's definitely Milwaukee. We will tear this bitch up. Everybody in this motherfucker will tear this shit up, man.
SPEAKER_06So shout out to all the artists. That's how we feel about y'all, you know. Fucking yeah, I love you. We'll fuck somebody up over y'all. Yeah, no bullshit.
SPEAKER_03All right, um, let's go into another song of yours, bro. Let's go. This next one is I'm slipping. I ain't even got my shit pulled up. This is bottles. Nope, nope, nope. I got it. I got it on the wrong fucking sequence, bro. Look at me, bro. This is low flying ducks by charismatic. This is off of uh a certain this I think them days is coming soon. This is on that one. Yep, yep. Let's go.
SPEAKER_07I'll make all my artwork too.
SPEAKER_03Hey man, y'all, y'all gonna get enough of stunting on me on my show, bro.
SPEAKER_07Not talking.
SPEAKER_03Let's go. Charismatic, low flying duck. Hold on. Before we start this real quick, dawg be rapping right away.
SPEAKER_07Like this, he'll give you no time to breathe, but be fucking me up at live shows. Cause I because it got as soon as it starts, I'll be right back. You gotta rap.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I feel you on that. No, but that's um, they say that's uh the way to do it now, you know, because the attention span, you know, like the same thing little baby does.
SPEAKER_07That's the hook in one second.
SPEAKER_06Uh no, not little baby, uh the baby. That's the same thing he does, right? When the beat, boom, and then that nigga right away. Yeah, you know, like he gives you like two little beats and then bam.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I had I had to say that because I but by the time I turned the fucking music up, this nigga was two bars in. All right, let's go. Low flying ducks by charismatic.
SPEAKER_07I was in college, selling them things, nigga just bodies, give me that green, nigga. I've never been me, because I've been low tea. If I let him sit in me, I'ma hit my we've hit pissables and dribble in between. It's with the free to hipsters on B. I'm in with them B's who wrists on fleet, never missing, I'm hitting on them things. I'm never in the kid, and I'm fixing on them bees, on the TV on the net, grabbing the wheels and we moving again. I can see me then with you in the front and I'm calling them floating like over. If I never been meeting a pen O T. If it's a B I'm B, is the trip number three. So hips are B, I'm then with them B, so rips is a fleet, never missing, I'm in them, I'm never him, I'm fixing them bees, on the TV, trips on a minute, grabbing the wheels and we moving again. I can see me then with you in a friend, and I'm pulling them over my covenant. I'm holding with the balls. I'm with the balls up. I was in college selling them things, nigga just buy this. Give me that green, nigga. My grind is whatever it seems.
SPEAKER_03Nigga, just buy this, give me that green.
SPEAKER_06You feel me? Grind is whatever it seems. You feel me? Whatever you think it is, nigga. I'm getting money there.
SPEAKER_07Setting my mama, eminent dreams, bro. I really was in college selling them things, bro. I I made paintings, I sold clothes, I sold Kool-Aid, bro. I was really selling them things. Nigga, just buy just things green, man. Just things, bro. Straight up things.
SPEAKER_03That's what's up, though, man. I I fuck with that whole shit, bro. Like, I'm I'm trying to uh put it into words, and when I find it, I'm gonna let you know, bro. But I fucks with that whole ideal and like the way you move and think about that, fam.
SPEAKER_07Appreciate you, bro.
SPEAKER_03Uh yeah, because you you need that family, especially for what we was talking about earlier, to be what you what you uh want to be for yourself. You need that mentality, fam. Like, hey man, it's things, bro. Like, I whatever you that's my struggle with. I don't know like what I want to do for myself, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, bro. Like the world is infinite, bro. You gotta and you don't you don't have to like do anything with the infinity, but you do have the choice too. Yeah, you feel me? Like, and I'm these days I just be trying to tap into the infinite part of me as much as possible, but also stay receptive because like everything that I know, bro, and I'm I'm good at things, like everything that I know is based on what I have previously known. So I'm like always trying to stay receptive to what's next, which also allows me to eat all. But sometimes like my focus isn't music. Like right now, I'm locked in on painting, I'm not making as many songs as I would like to, but I'm still trusting that that's the journey I should be on at the time. You feel me?
SPEAKER_03So yeah, go cop the painting, man.
SPEAKER_06Go cop some art. Yeah, cop some art. No bullshit. Yeah, like I feel the same way, right? Right now, my main focus is not music. Probably my main focus is what we're doing here right now. For sure, you know, and then you know, my window tender business is always like first burner, you know, because that that that damn near finances everything I supplements everything else you want to do, yeah. So um, but I always make sure to like stay creative in it because it introduces me to a lot of people. Like just the other day I was shopping it up with a dude, he's uh a DJ, and he also has he's in like um a Christian rock band, and you know, he was just like I ended up introducing them to like the streaming platforms because he's a bit older, so he didn't know that like you could upload your music on all these different platforms and then you know, like build up your crowd. And he's like, dude, like I told him about it about six months ago, and then he brought another car today, and he's like, Dog, that just opened up a whole new world for me.
SPEAKER_07Crazy, crazy how life is like that, but you gotta be open to it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah, yeah, dog. So yeah, I'm I'm in that same place where like music isn't my you know, it's not the focal point right now, but you know, it's also I'm trusting it, you know. It I've been doing music so long that it has this exactly.
SPEAKER_07Like you just trust it, yeah. Sometimes you gotta live a little bit of life.
SPEAKER_03No, no bullshit. I'm on my way up out of the down, fam. No bullshit. I got like four songs that I've been working on in the last week, and I'm like, I'm super excited about it. That's what's up.
SPEAKER_07That's what's up.
SPEAKER_06All right. So before we head into this next portion of the episode, if you haven't already, take a moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell to help us grow our audience. A like, comment, or share with a friend are also great ways to let us know you supported and watch the episode. Also, shout out to our sponsor, Illy Tense, for financing these episodes. If you or someone you know is looking to transform your vehicle, add privacy, or keep it cool by blocking those sun rays out, give us a call today at 414-326-7283 or stop by the shop in Franklin 8581 South 27th Street to book your next appointment. All right, so also uh I want to turn it over to you to see if you got anybody you want to shout out.
SPEAKER_07Oh man, uh yo, shout out to all my siblings, shout out my mom, shout out God. First of all, uh my dad. Um, yo, if I forget you, don't even hold it against me because you know it's a long list. Shout out uh New Jersey, shout out everywhere that I've lived, shout out all of y'all, shout out Florida. Y'all held it down with the art. I still got paintings over there in Florida. Shout out Tyler, he still lives in Florida. Shout out my dog Lily, shout out Julian, shout out BZ, shout out Kieve, shout out Zeus and Nezi and David Lopez. Let's go. Uh shit. Literally, shout out everybody. Shout out, uh, if you have ever hit a stage, if I've ever been your DJ, if you ever give me the opportunity, if you ever bought a painting, looked at a painting, liked the painting. If you ever hit like on my real, if you ever existed in my vicinity, thank you, and I love you.
SPEAKER_06That's a great shout out. I think it had one of the best shout outs. Usually people be like, Yeah, no boss. Hey, shout out to me.
SPEAKER_07I don't think I missed anybody either. I might have hit everybody. Yeah, that was dope. No, that was what's up. Oh, shout out to y'all. Hey, appreciate that. No, it's too late.
SPEAKER_03No, no, it's too late, nigga. We wasn't on the list, bro. This song coming soon.
SPEAKER_07Oh, Zeus said he bought Zeus said he dissing uh Mount Rushmore. Oh, shout out Mount Rushmore.
SPEAKER_03Zeus said he dissolved.
SPEAKER_07Zeus said he dissing us, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He wanted to be on that motherfucker. He's looking for a teammates, though. So if y'all want to that's cool.
SPEAKER_03Hey man, this is how I seen it, bro. Ever since BZ told me about it, I'm like, niggas is interchangeable, bro. I'll get my spot soon, bro.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it's a couple people that that uh I actually agree with that. We either need more than four people or it has to be like a a rotating cows because bar, bar. I don't know. See, everybody don't know, yo. Keeve can rap, right?
SPEAKER_03No, I that nigga. Y'all did that quarter show, bro. Yeah, so you know he got the spitting, bro.
SPEAKER_07I was like Kiev can dog can rap like Kiev could really rap, but people don't be knowing because he be he be vibing and shit, which shout out to Keeve for being a big thing.
SPEAKER_03Which which is the so so this is how I put it, right? I figure if you can rap, like you could really spit bars, bro, and then you can switch over to that shit that he be doing, talented, bro.
SPEAKER_07Now you're a real talent.
SPEAKER_03You only do that one shit and you can't come over here and just try at least try to rap better. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like and not even better, better's not the word because then that's kind of condescending. But you know, just try try to put some improvement, just try to put some work into the art form, bro. You know what I'm saying? I like uh, you know who really did that industry-wise, uh, and I'm not saying this nigga's cold, so before niggas start, I'm just saying, but uh Lil' Yachty, like he actually tries a little bit to like, hey bro, I can you know I agree to you know, because niggas said I can't rap, so I'm gonna try a little bit and it just at least you know you know who can really rap rap if you actually listen.
SPEAKER_07Um Kodak, bro.
SPEAKER_03See what I'm saying? Kodak, but he's thinking like that. He always Kodak got the bars no matter what. Everybody don't hear it. No, because he got that his voice and shit and the way he carries.
SPEAKER_07You know who else falls in that category? Uh FA and Yellow, bro. They be so melodic that people don't be hearing them, but they got bar bars.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I gotta hear from FA because I FA can rap rap. That's what's up. Yeah, dog. See, look, that's this is why we do this, bro. Because I want I want to know that, bro. I want to hear shit like that.
SPEAKER_07Because when I listen to music, and in my head, I'm thinking of the words written on the page. Like, I'm like, you feel me? Like, I do care about the vibe and the music and everything, and I produce, so I'll be listening to the music, but like ultimately, bro, in the skill of rap, I'm just thinking about the words on the page. Do they make sense? Yeah, is it multi-syllabic grunt? Like, if you could rhyme seven syllables, bro, like yo, do that shit. And then if you can find a seven-syllable word that rhymes with those seven syllables, that's really what I mean. No, master the art of rap.
SPEAKER_03Also, to me, uh a lot of the uh this is the second time I'm gonna use the word first time I ever did once, and now I'm gonna use a second, but a lot of the uh skills in hip hop and rap to me are interchangeable, bro. They are that's so like you can be super lyrical, miracle, and all that shit and not have any substance.
SPEAKER_07That exactly, yeah. You could have some people are really good at rhyming words, yeah. But like that's what I'm saying. Like, if I look at it written down on the page, how cohesive is it? Like, could could this stand as a poem? Could this stand as a book in like a page in a book or cohesion is a big one, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like, can can you make it make sense to me? Exactly. So, uh another good industry uh example of that would be eight ball. You know, eight ball's a fucking beast, bro. Yeah, but that nigga's not right, he's not trying to rap multi-syllable and no, but but he's gonna tell you a story or he's gonna say some real shit, he's gonna put it in a fucking way where you're gonna love that shit. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07I think arguably, I think that is uh both Kieve and David Lopez's strongest points is they don't always go for the most lyrical thing, but they say exactly what needs to be said. Yeah, that's what I told David Lopez on the show that's like they're great at that, bro.
SPEAKER_06Damn, I can't remember. Uh so my homeboy DJ Ozone, he was playing um, I think it was Juicy J. Yeah, Juicy J. She's good at that too. Yeah, and he was like, but it was over some shit that was like not southern, you know. Um, I forgot the I wanna say, uh, who's the fucking who's the dude that um he's he's black, but he's white. Barry Bonds? No, no, like he he he's a rapper. I don't know what you mean. Oh he's a rapper, but like Belly Cushington. No, no, he's a he looked like a straight up white dude, but his dad's black.
SPEAKER_03With a red beard? The new guy, the belly cushion is like a belly game cushion.
SPEAKER_06No, no, he's not new. He's um he's pretty he's pretty old. He he raps kind of like a brother bear nigga? Eminem-ish. Oh, hold on, hold on. Uh, I don't know who I forget fucking dude's name, man. Damn. Mogic? Huh? No, not Logic. Logic, yeah. So, yeah, Logic got a project with um I I believe it's Juicy J, where Juicy J is rapping over Logic type beats. You know what I'm saying? And then like when you hear that project, I've never heard Juicy J rap that code. I'm like, what the but how they did that was they fucking they ended up slowing down Logic's beats to the tempo that Juicy J raps at. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, having them, you know, spit his shit and then they sped it up. Yeah, and then I was like, fucking this shit is this nigga's killing.
SPEAKER_03Like, yeah, see, but but that's that shit like that matters though, bro. Cause then now Juicy J can say, hey, I can rap, bro. Like, I can I can yeah, you know, I and to me that matters. Like if you like uh like go back to some hometown shit like FA, I would love to hear him rap. Bro, you you feel what I'm saying too, yeah. You know what I'm saying? No, but I'm just saying as an example, I would love to hear him go because that would be like, all right, I can now digest this other shit for sure in a different light. I can I can digest it in the light of oh, he's just doing that because he's good at it, but he can do this shit.
SPEAKER_07He really can, you know what I mean? He made even bro, he was he was already rapping, rapping, and made a conscious decision to like put his bars into a more palatable thing and type shit and like in an intelligent way. He told me, like, prior to this little run he's making. This is like two years ago, he told me exactly what he was and bro, he's really like and you could like if you wouldn't get that from him now.
SPEAKER_03Like, if you just see him perform, he dancing and that's what I'm saying, barely even fucking.
SPEAKER_07Damn near gotta go listen to the actual songs because although it's still like auto-tuning and shit, like yeah, yeah, the actual bars, like bro, he's really rapping, he's really rapping fire too.
SPEAKER_03Like, bro, he's nice. I fuck with that. That's facts. That's what's up. Yeah, I fuck with that.
SPEAKER_06All right, so we're gonna go into a small interview portion. Um, I'm gonna kick it off with this question. Give us a summary of who you are and what you hope to accomplish through your artistry.
SPEAKER_07Uh, I am uh Christopher Allen Graves, the second, uh charismatic Mr. Rainbow Gardenias. I'm the self-proclaimed most creative man in the universe, and I dare anybody to prove me wrong. I would like somebody to try to. I'm not even opposed. Um, and I'm on a mission to articulate my soul to the highest extent at all times, however that looks, whether I'm running a marathon or I'm painting a mural, and all my entire mission in life is to master the ability to take whatever idea I have inside of my soul, inside of my heart, and articulate it um like at a one-to-one ratio and then do the same for others. Um ultimately I'll and ultimately when I'm when it's all said and done, when I'm done my career, done the creative empire and everything. Um I want to create uh like a free a free university, essentially. Essentially, what the library of Alexandria was. Um I want to re-give that to humanity when it's all said and done. So that'll be like later down the road. But yeah.
SPEAKER_06Let's go. Fuck with that. You're gonna have to move to another uh country to do Costa Rica. I'm going to Costa Rica. The United States, like, nope. Yeah, they go, yeah.
SPEAKER_03We need tuition. We can't we can't do nothing free to make motherfuckers smarter, bro.
SPEAKER_07That's the goal, though, for real, bro.
SPEAKER_03No, hopefully that changes though over time. Yeah, no, it's not it gotta collapse first.
SPEAKER_06But we talk about some whole other shit. It gotta collapse first, bro. It's a whole nother podcast. All right, um, what is your hip hop origin story? Like, where did that start? I mean, because you're a DJ, you like you said, you you started rapping when you were six. Like, what crew what started you rapping? Like, did you see somebody?
SPEAKER_07Nah, you know what's crazy, bro? This is why I say I was born to rap, bro. So when I was little, like tiny, um, my mom was only playing um like gospel music and stuff. And one because like she was she was like a newly single mother and trying to give us good influences, but also because of where we live, like she's trying to make sure we stay on the right track. So, like, bro, I I sometimes I would hear RB and stuff, but I didn't hear any rap music until I was like maybe seven or something, a little older. Um, but when I was five, bro, I was in kindergarten and me and my boy, shout out Malcolm. I taught him how to read. Um, me, me and my boy, bro, we were because that's my dog.
SPEAKER_06Before me, he was illiterate.
SPEAKER_07Bro, what kind of teacher sits down a five-year-old, like, yo, teach him how to read? Like, she really made me teach him. Yeah, um, but obviously that's my best friend after that, and now he can write. So, bro, there was there was this there was this uh we know what you're saying, it's just funny it's not the way he's coming off. Dog, there was this the six-year-old, like my sister was one year older than me. So there was this six-year-old um that was in first grade, and she was bad, bro. Like, so we both were like, bro, we gotta write, we gotta write her like raps. And I was like, All right. So he wrote a rap, and I was like, bro, you're not gonna beat me. So I went, I went home, I wrote a rap. Um, and we came back and rapped her for it, rapped them for her, and she chose me and shit. Cause when she was listening, oh yeah, yeah, dog. Yeah, so I bro, I'm not even lying. I legitimately was born to rap. Like I that was a natural thing. Um, and I always said if I if I had learned how to sing prior to knowing how to rap, I wouldn't even care about rapping. Yeah, I love to sing so much. I'm great at singing too, but like no, I'm the same way I love singing, but uh be here that's you good at rapping. I I really can't sing, but like I'm so good at rap. I ask bees, bro. B's and all good.
SPEAKER_03We're gonna talk about it, or we're gonna have him sing for us after this shit's over, and we're gonna let y'all know. Yeah, I got you, bro.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um the the reason why I'm laughing while you were saying the whole um reading and writing thing is because uh one of my favorite movies is hoes. So the whole time I'm thinking of fucking uh this nigga teaching zero zero couldn't read, yeah, dog. I'm really uncomfortable with you reading over my shoulder. You feel me?
SPEAKER_07Will you teach me? That was a great movie, bro.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's one of my favorite movies.
SPEAKER_07Great movie, great soundtrack, bro.
SPEAKER_03So hold on, real real quick. Oh, just to uh kind of get a better, and I guess it's not you don't have to say for the pod, but you are you 90s baby?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I was born in '92. Okay.
SPEAKER_03I just want to make just see where we was where we was at with that. Yeah. So you from the era that we from and shit. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06All right.
SPEAKER_03That's what's up.
SPEAKER_06Um, what's the most important lesson you've learned in life or music journey to this point?
SPEAKER_07Authenticity is the only thing that actually matters. I'm gonna just echo the point I made earlier, and it it's like almost scientific. Like, if you're only a certain percentage of yourself, the world can only react to that percentage, and now your perception is limited to a percentage of that percentage because we can only see us like one percent of the visual spectrum or whatever. So you're you're like here's backtracking you're backtracking on a record. So like my entire thing is like you can believe in anything, you can believe so hard that you don't believe in yourself and don't make it. But if you're gonna be delusional, you should just believe all the way in yourself and get and go all the way, which is why I say I'm the most creative in the universe. I truly don't care if that's true. I'm speaking it, bro. People were more mad at me when I said I was the most creative in the world than when I said I was the most creative in the universe. I I don't get so like the bro, the only thing that matters, in my opinion, is that like from moment to moment, and this is like what you should give to the world, from moment to moment, you're giving 100% of yourself. Sometimes that looks like just like reading a book, but do it all the way. Like, don't read a book and eat a taco and be on your phone. Like, you now you're not doing any of them. But like if you really lock in and do the one thing that you're doing all the way, and when it's done, do the next thing. And like when you do one thing all the way, now it's gone. You like make space for new ideas, and through like the process of like the authenticity of going through that path and like trusting the system of the things that pop up and trusting yourself to rise to occasions, bro, you're gonna find out like believing in yourself is overrated because it's already happening, like you're already being exactly who you are. You're already like if you believe in any kind of higher power at all, like any at all, you can call it anything you want. If you believe in any kind of higher power, then you have to believe that you're a part of whatever this system is. You have to believe that there's atoms around here, and all the atoms that exist exist in very particular places, and there's a group of atoms that are like in our bodies agreeing to do the dance that is us. There's a reason for that, whether we know it or not, whether we need the answer or not, like the fact that we exist in this moment, having the experience, you you just have to authentically give yourself all the way to the whether you're DJing or you're rapping or whatever. Yeah, that was a long way to say. No, I I totally agree with that, bro.
SPEAKER_06Like, one of my favorite sayings is all things are everything, yes, you know, and everything is all things, you know. So, like, you know, me and this table are separate right now, but we're the same. Yeah, you know, exactly.
SPEAKER_07We're made exactly from the exactly the one, and like from you know, from a certain perspective, from a certain perspective, you we're exactly the same. Like from the perspective of just being, like I just exist, I'm not different from this microphone or from that like that thing. Um but I literally read a quote earlier. I'll be I'll be reading. I read his uh a quote in a book earlier, and it said that um if you if you imagine that you're like the air, you're not you're not like the the structure of everything, you're like the air that's around it. If you throw black paint up in the air, you would never get the air dirty. You feel the air would never get dirty. Like all the other shit would get dirty that's down and around, but like you yourself as the air could never actually get dirty. So like it kind of takes the pressure off of feeling like you and your limited state has to figure anything out because you're already if you just remember you're not separate from anything, then you can kind of just relax and vibe and like let shit happen. You feel me?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06I believe whole hundred percent all things are one, you know. Like one of my favorite books is uh I think his the author's name is Paulo Cuelo, the Alchemist, the Alchemist, yeah. You know, like and I listen to that book at least like once every three months on an audiobook version after I read it. Great book because it I like to refresh the the lessons.
SPEAKER_07That's a book I think that anybody, and anytime I recommend it to somebody, this is what I'll tell them. That book particularly, anybody at any point in their life could read that and get like some gems from it, bro. Like you could be 13, you could be 80. Like everybody's somewhere in that journey, yeah. Yeah, I uh that's a great book for real. Yeah, yeah, it's a great book.
SPEAKER_06You want to say anything on that?
SPEAKER_03No, because I have never read that book. Well, not not on that, but like the whole, you know, nah shit, I philosophy of life. And I I agree, fam. Shit. I mean, there's nothing too much to say. Shit. I mean, I feel I feel like the the things that I encounter and that I live around and be with, it's all it's all meant to be, you know what I'm saying? Like everything's meant to be there. There's not nothing that's not supposed to be, you know. So I just I live like that. I mean, I don't listening to what y'all are saying, I'm like, shit, that's a that's even better than what I how I've been looking at it. You know what I'm saying? That's that's a dope perspective, fam.
SPEAKER_06One thing that always um stuck in my mind was the movie The X-Men. When um the first like the yeah, like the first one, where uh Mystique is she's bench pressing, and uh Magneto comes and like he fucking takes the weight up, yeah, and she's bench pressing but in disguise as like a white girl, you know, like and and then fucking he drops the weight, and in order to catch it at her full strength, she has to turn back into real Mystique. You know, and he's like that's who you should be at all times because you can only be half as strong when you're holding when when the other half of you is focused on pretending to be something else. Yeah, you know, and then ever since I saw that fucking scene in the movie, I was like, I need to be who I am, like the full thing, yeah, yeah, like you know, in my soul at all times.
SPEAKER_07We we literally put these arbitrary boxes around ourselves, and it's like, bro, any concept of perfection or like whatever, um, it's based on a like maybe in the past enough people agreed that this is now perfection, but like it's all arbitrary, bro. Language is arbitrary, everything the whole fucking race is arbitrary, everybody's a shade of brown, like everything is so arbitrary. If you go back far enough, me and David Lopez were talking about this yesterday because he's like Cuban, but he's Cuban American, yeah. But bro, in in 50 generations, and if they get 23 and me, it's just gonna say American. Yeah, so if you go back far enough, I don't know who knows where he started, but like it's all so arbitrary, bro. Nothing is actually real, and no, that's facts.
SPEAKER_03It's just like nothing, nothing. The only thing that's real is that you need food to live and water, and you were born and you're gonna fucking die one day.
SPEAKER_07Facts. And and some people let that those facts kill them. But it's like, bro, if you're if you're sitting in like a game and like you're already in the game, like you're on you're on the the pitcher's mound or whatever, bro. Your only choice is to pitch the ball and try to make them miss. Like you gotta play the game as well as you can within the parameters until you elevate beyond or whatever. But like I I'm I'm kind of beyond the point of letting the game bother me. I'm just figuring out how to how to be Neo in the Matrix for real.
SPEAKER_03Like, I'm really trying to I'm stuck on that motherfucker. I ain't gonna lie, fam, because this shit crazy right now. I feel you, I feel you. You know, but but like you said, I think the fact that I know that is symbol, like I know it's yeah, I know all this shit is bro. You gonna sit here and tell me, hey bro, you we need all this fucking water to do AI or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Like, but we need to do it. It's too late now. We have to. We have to do this, you know what I'm saying? Like it's a little too late now. Fuck the fact that all humans need fresh water. It's too late. We have to no, we don't have to. That's fake, bro. You're you're you're lying to me. Literally. So, like, so it's hard for me to kind of just move, you know, and and me, and you know, I'm I'm in the uh, I don't want to say emotional, but I take shit, you know, personally, even when it's big shit like that. Like that, you know, that's everybody's living through that. But I take that shit personally, like, oh shit, they're attacking me. They're trying to take my fucking water, you know what I'm saying? Like, so it's like it's hard to because I know it's fake. So like knowing that it's fake kind of even makes it a little more worse. Like, I'm like, damn, I know it's some bullshit. It does. But the fact that everybody now I gotta fucking entertain it. Yeah, because everybody, like he said, if enough people say it, now it's now it's true. Yeah, now it's a thing where they make it. Now it's a social construct. You know, that that's that's why I don't believe in none of that. I don't believe in none of that shit, bro. The money to me, bro, like that shit is not not money itself, because I get the uh I get the uh transferring of monetary gains.
SPEAKER_07The transfer of energy is real, yeah. You know what I'm saying? But it doesn't have to be this dot piece of things.
SPEAKER_03No, yeah, but you you don't have to, you know, like like the way they set it up, like hey uh I made two trillion dollars last year, bro, and this nigga just bombed Iran, so now I gotta pay a little more for gas. So this next year I'm only gonna make one trillion dollars. Yeah, you gotta make me that trillion back, nigga. So I'm gonna raise the price of my product for absolutely no reason. I don't need to raise the price of my product, yeah. I don't have to. But since this fake ass system makes, you know, it's fake, it's all fucking fake, bro.
SPEAKER_07It really is.
SPEAKER_03So since I can't make two trillion this year, and I already made two trillion every year for the last 20, so I'm at fucking 40 trillion dollars profit. Right now, this next year I can only make one, I gotta raise the price on everybody. So now y'all that don't have two trillion dollars gotta spend even more to make my two trillion stay where it's at. I gotta face the consequences. That is some bullshit, bro. Like anytime I go into Walmart and I seen some shit that I know was cheaper and I see it more expensive, I'm like, that's some greedy ass shit. What are you doing here, dog?
SPEAKER_06I just I just watched some shit about uh Coca-Cola, and this guy was like, um, this is how you know where the economy is going by how much Coca-Cola costs. Nigga, it's three dollars a bottle, bro. Yeah, he's like back in the you know, back in like the 70s or some shit. It was like for some shit that kills you, bro. Yeah, it fucking kills you.
SPEAKER_07No, bro. Every time I buy buy like a soda or something, like, bro, am I gonna spend money on like poison, bro? Yeah, yeah, I yesterday I put it back though. I didn't even buy. Let's go. I ain't buy the muffins or the soda.
SPEAKER_03You feel me? You know what I'm saying? But yeah, it's like like he said, the word is perfect, it's all arbitrary, bro. It's all shit that they just made up. It is, you know, but again, knowing it fucks me up, bro. I'm not gonna lie, I'd be pissed the fuck off. And then I look at my kid, and my kid's happy as hell.
SPEAKER_07I want a fucking soda or I want fucking cake or well, some dumb shit, and you're like, oh man, there's there's some like genius in that too, because like, bro, even the Bible says, like, you gotta be like a child to re enter the kingdom of God or whatever. Like, bro, there's a level of like surrender, and I no bullshit, just have hit this in the past couple like weeks, months. Yeah, um, but there's like a level of surrender where you don't give up putting in effort because you're like you know you're gonna. The work you feel me? Like you know you're gonna rise to the occasion, but like you give up on like the the efforting towards making effort, like yeah you give up control because you can try to control the hour you can't control it anyway, yeah. So you can like you could straight up like chill and like release control of the whole process because you don't even have to I know, but like because the little parts that you're able to control they're not the shit that like bro when I was driving to Chicago and I get a random uh email one day before uh before the gallery night that now I'm in a mansion and now one one month later I'm in a residency, like I'm not in control of that. I couldn't have planned that out if I wanted to. And now that I've seen how it's like working, bro, I'm not supposed to. And if I had tried to make that happen, then you wouldn't have yourself up.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's not your ordinance.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, and be if I'm connected to infinity, and I can't not be because I'm right here. I am if I'm connected to all of that, I have to trust. I have to trust that somehow the same thing that makes a tree grow is also in my process of living and growing and being like I have to believe it.
SPEAKER_03And I feel you right and I hold on real quick, yeah. No, that's that's super facts. And and see, this is what I'm saying. So tell me if I'm on a different path here, bro. But what I'm saying is I 1000% agree, but then I'm like, what if I'm not what if I'm missing shit that I could be controlling, but I'm like so much into the like like for instance, I could be storing water right now somehow. You know what I'm saying? But I'm not. I feel you. But it was in my control. I feel you. But then when shit fucks up, I'm like, damn, here's what I was in my control and I didn't.
SPEAKER_07Here's what I'll say about that, bro. Anytime that something has been in my control and then later down the road has been out of my control, there was nine or ten times that I had thoughts about damn, should I grab some water? Should I should I fucking do this? Like, it's not like it didn't occur to me. So, like, it's really bro, if you if you get like still enough, like I really start my day with like getting as still as possible and like just like baseline reality. Um if you get there, bro, then you can trust that whatever the thing that occurs to you is the next thing to do. As long as you don't ignore it, now it's gone. Now the next thing can pop in. You feel me? Like, yeah. So I'm just like really trying to get good at and uh trying is the wrong word. I'm in the process of improving my ability to just lock into my intuition and like because it's moment to moment, bro. It's really you bring that up though.
SPEAKER_03Like I think about that shit every day.
SPEAKER_06I think about that shit every day because I'm like, because I got one of those fucking um I I got like a solar charger and shit. No, you need shit like that. Okay, shit pop off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got water store, case shit pop off so these are some of the things that I be thinking about, you know, and when I and then it's like you can't help to not think about it with especially with like scrolling and this is word of economies. These niggas are bombing these niggas, and it's hard to see like for sure, you know, overseas, like in these places where like war is happening and shit. How these motherfuckers living in tents and it's like damn. What if if it came down to it and I'm living like that, I know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03Like I just I just imagine myself running out of food or something, and I now I gotta go fucking run down on some niggas to take their shit. Yeah, when really I could have been teaching myself 10 years ago to fucking grow my own shit. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, so but it's like but at the same time, I'm like I'm living in this system that they've created, so I'm like, I have to participate, otherwise I would be fucking, you know. Then now you the nigga in the cardboard box, like they're trying to fucking because you know, because you don't participate, you gotta participate in the monetary system that they have. Now you're the nigga rolling around in that fucking you know, Jesus is coming. But it's like the end is near and that and that's but I I've like I just hate there's has been situations already in my lifetime where I look back and I'm like, damn, six months ago, if I would have fucking did that one thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_07But the question is, in that moment when you realize, oh shit, if that ever happens, bro, your next thing should be like, yo, I ain't never gonna be in this position again. And that's how I feel like I'm gonna have the water next time. So that's how I feel now. So it's like damn. But at that point, there's no more stress because now you're the person who just slowly all the time kind of picks up little supplies. And that's how you feel me? Yeah, like it don't have to be like a big, it's just like a like slight adjustments on your way of life.
SPEAKER_03Oh, one time I did it, and I had a good three months, canned food, all that shit. I had it, and then we like moved. And then I just started going into it because we moved and shit, and and I was like, damn, but then that was that was like fucking five years ago.
SPEAKER_06But you probably saved yourself grocery money for like three.
SPEAKER_03No, you know, I save some I save it a little bit, you know, but it's like damn, that was five, that was like five years ago I did that. Yeah, you know, and then I think about where I'm at though, I'm like, damn.
SPEAKER_06I think about this shit too, like uh, you know, I've been living, I've been living in my new crib almost like five years now. And like, you know. Yeah, because you moved into your shit when I moved into mine. I started thinking about like storing stuff, and then I'm like, uh. And then as I'm reading all these reels and shit, they're like, oh, the the blackout could've remember that movie they dropped? There was there was like about like if the fucking um Yeah, with Obama, like that Obama in that maid. Yeah, the blackout and all that shit. All the Tesla's fucking yeah, yeah. Yeah. So like still once I watched that movie, I was like, oh shit, I need to. And then nigga, here I am five years later. Fucking, what if I that's that water's just gonna be sitting there for five years?
SPEAKER_07But also, bro, we're old enough that we I'm 33. I've lived through the earth supposedly ending three times, bro.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. Nigga, Y2K. We posted you feel me? More than three, I think. Right? Yeah, Y2K December 21st, 2012. Yeah, pandemic. The pandemic, yeah.
SPEAKER_07That's the main three I'm thinking about.
SPEAKER_03And we uh the uh was it the Mayan fucking calendar or some shit? Yeah, it's 2012.
SPEAKER_07That was 2012. I think so. Oh, but no, I think there was a second no, that's another one. 2020 or some shit. Yeah, yeah. But bro, they be trying to end the world all the time.
SPEAKER_03Wow, also they be trying to end the world. Like OG never gonna end. Nah, that's just crazy. It's gonna end one day. I mean, if you're if you you know, I'm not religious, so to say, but I do believe in certain shit. So you know, it's not happening. I think the life forms are gonna put on the planet. Yeah, time. Oh, for sure, for sure, yeah, for sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_06And and in my so this is the way that I think about that. When people are like, oh, the world's gonna end, you know, you need to be prepared. Of course, the fucking world's gonna end. That world ends the day you die. Yeah, because that's the the day the world ends. Like the day you die, it's all over. Obviously.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, your world ends. My world has ended a few times, nigga. Like, my heart was fucked up. I swear.
SPEAKER_06And once you die, you can't do shit about anything that goes on after the shit once you're dead, anyway. So why fucking care? You, but I digress. Um last question I got for you. Um, how can the all 414 all podcast audience find your content?
SPEAKER_07Uh, find me. Um, yo, I'm on every single uh platform on music charismatic. Um, look it up. I got a lot of music. I got a lot of new music coming out. I got some some sing songgy songs I'm about to come out with. I got some raps, I got some Passion Park stuff. We got Mount Rushmore. Um, yo, go to my art page, Rainbow Gardenias, bro, tap in. If y'all need anything, clothes, I embroider, I make banners.
SPEAKER_06I was gonna ask you the clothes you got on. Yeah, where's that from? That's YouTube. See, uh fucking.
SPEAKER_07I just entire life is creativity. So if you would like to be a part of the journey and also support the journey, you feel me? Tap in. And then if you want my personal page slash music page at listen to charisma, that's the number two. Um and dog, yeah. Yo, tap in. I'm literally I'm everywhere. I'm popping up on Key's page, BZ's page, I'm NFO. I got the little book little thing I did the other day, bro. We we popping out everywhere. Let's go.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, come out to some of the open mics because he be there. Fucking sir.
SPEAKER_03Oh, if you need a DJ, a DJ. Yeah, do that too. I was just gonna say, like, you DJ.
SPEAKER_06All right, so um, now we're gonna go into some of these hometown picks.
SPEAKER_03Let's go. We're gonna go to the first one. And we got all RB today, fam. Let's go. We got all singers. The first one we doing is Bottles by Troy Tyler. And uh I I'm not sure, but did you stumble upon him off that reel?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so off the reel that uh he had just did a um he was selected out of the crowd for I think it was Summerfest. There's no way he was just selected. Oh no, he was. I saw that.
SPEAKER_03I saw he was just randomly. That's what the real said. I don't know. You know, if it was, bro, look at God, fam. That's all I'm saying.
SPEAKER_07But if it wasn't that is what I'm saying, though. No, we're not living normal lives.
SPEAKER_03We're not, bro. Milwaukee's on some whole other shit. We're like really in a video game or something.
SPEAKER_06And I had this thought a little earlier. Shout out to Cristiano, aka Chris B. Oh, Cristiano. The best kind of uh the best kind of ability is availability. I watched that, I watched that interview yesterday.
SPEAKER_07I watched the key one this morning.
SPEAKER_06And him being out, him being available, him fucking already, you know, he's you could definitely tell he practices and he's ready for the moment, yeah, you know, and just off the reel if that dog, if that if that was the moment, bro, if that was how you're saying, just straight random is crazy.
SPEAKER_03Nigga had the whole unfinished legacy outfit on and shit.
SPEAKER_06I mean, but niggas step out fresh all the time.
SPEAKER_03No, I know I'm just saying the fact that it's a Milwaukee whole fit, he on stage, you know, a summer fest. Like I might if it was, bro, I'm just saying it could have been. I really think about it. I know we were just talking about all the divine intervention and shit and all that shit, but hey, I'm still meeting. But even still, check out skeptical.
SPEAKER_06Check me out. Even still, even if it wasn't, even if it wasn't, you still snap even if it was niggas stumble on stage all the time, bro. You know what I'm saying? And they fuck up on, and he did not fuck up that moment.
SPEAKER_03No, he did his shit with the LMA next to him. Come on, yeah. Her fine British talking ass. But anyhow, this is Troy Tyler bottles. Let's get it.
SPEAKER_05Springin' it was in the buttons. Already move, you just get to the nigga. Coming going for the title, yeah.
unknownComing going for the title.
SPEAKER_03I wonder if he wrote that, bro. That shit hot. That shit hot, fam. I ain't gonna lie. That shit smooth. And shout out to you, Troy Tyler, because that shit was fire. Big facts. I I hadn't heard about dog until then. I feel like I've I've heard the name, but I I didn't I've never listened or got any as far other than I seen like somebody tag him and some shit before. Yeah, but shout out to Dog. That shit was fire. That shit was crazy. Even time 10X if you wrote that shit, fam. Yeah. But either way, fire straight up. We need to get him on the pod, man. No bullshit. That motherfucker. Right away, because that shit was ridiculous. Yeah. Shout out to Troy Tyler, man. That was bottles. Y'all go check out.
SPEAKER_06And like we're always saying, bro, there's always some new code ass talent to fucking discover here in Milwaukee, bro. Like it's just full of talent, bro. Yeah, it's one of my favorite parts.
SPEAKER_03If you watch the first anniversary uh episode ever, bro, you'll see that I I had I just watched that. Oh, okay. Yeah. So I was I was just being transparent about the fact that I was like, hey, I didn't know. You know, I was so caught up in competing and being, you know, that I just didn't. I'm like, bro. Yeah. And then I was I felt overlooked. So I'm like, oh, they don't fuck with what we got going on. So the city don't even do that. Whole time.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, they be doing it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know what I'm saying? Look who in the room, bro. Like, just whole time, like the the the the lyrical shit is alive. The RB shit is alive, the live band performances is very much alive. Niggas is doing summer fest openings and all. Like, shout out to El Sebas. That's another person I wanted to have on here. Damn, I should have played that one, but we stick in RB. I'll do it next week. But yeah, it's here, bro. No bullshit. Everything, everything you need is in Milwaukee, fam. Alright, man. This next one is uh Charismatics pick. This is Frog. Nobody else to love.
SPEAKER_07Dog, before you play, I just want to say, bro, this song This is like the best example of like somebody like taking an older genre and making it newer, bro. I don't even know. There's a very specific type of like Spanish music that existed in like 2000 um like uh obsession and like the songs like the bachata and shit. But like like like slower songs. I can't I can't um oh oh um Tango Uno Morgan, you know bro. This song gives me the same vibe as that song. It's not in Spanish or anything, but like he's hitting that kind of fucking area, so okay. Yeah, so he's nice with it.
SPEAKER_03Let's go. This is frog, somebody else to love. I like the graphic on it.
SPEAKER_08She sounds like Spanish probably sounds like my favorite church. Don't know about some badness.
SPEAKER_03I don't know, exactly what the fuck you mean.
SPEAKER_05Like that is something like that.
SPEAKER_07This is ridiculous. It is, bro. It's one of my favorite songs in general, though.
SPEAKER_03Fire crazy shout out from I don't know who he is, never met him. Dog, he just popped up. Never heard of him.
SPEAKER_07He popped up at a open mic night maybe maybe a month, month and a half ago. And ever since then, he's been to every single open mic night. Yeah, bro. He's missioned right. Write this nigga down. Write this thing down.
SPEAKER_03We got it, we got this nigga.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_03Nah, bro, fire. No bullshit. And I and you're absolutely right. That that aesthetic you're talking about. It's like, yeah, it's there, fam. No bullshit. Yeah, he killed it, bro. Yeah, oh yeah. This nigga B Z in the back, like he on Bar Fest Six, bro. Right. Shout out to BZ with the bar fest. Shout out Black fam, he's been going crazy with it, fam. Uh, you want to catch frog? You just heard he's gonna be at Bar Fest Six, bro. Let's go.
SPEAKER_06Come on, step over here, real quick. Let the people see your face.
SPEAKER_07Shout out B's for pulling up to my interview. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. Let's go.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, shout out to Frog, bro. That was fire, bro. I I like and I heard you when you said it. Then I heard it, and I was like, oh, I know exactly what he's talking about. Yeah, don't it was like that early 2000s.
SPEAKER_07So specific, bro. But that that that hit me in the soul. Like when I heard it, I was like, bro, what's this called? I need to hear it. Like, and it's only on YouTube, it's not like everywhere.
SPEAKER_03Oh man, see that and I feel like that's so exciting about it.
SPEAKER_06That um that sound and that like small pocket of that era is like that'll never fucking not be hot.
SPEAKER_03I see what I'm saying. No, yeah. If you can, yeah, you get that. If you hit hit it how it's supposed to be, like done on that on that note, you're gonna feel the emotion of it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, and like not for nothing, bro. Most of the people that hit that genre are singing in Spanish. Like he did that like in English, but still the same.
SPEAKER_03Like, low key, that song right there. I could definitely hear a bachata fucking. I'm yelling you, feature for real. Like it's somebody else'll dunno go hard, bro. Yeah, dogby fan. We can make that happen.
SPEAKER_06Nigga, Osuna on that? What? Oh my god. That exactly exact melody, too. Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_07He'll go crazy. Yeah, I'm glad I can introduce y'all to that, bro.
SPEAKER_06No, bro, that's why we live for this, bro. Fox though, yeah. And that's you know, that's another.
SPEAKER_03I will forever say, Thank, thank Illy for being like not letting me talk him out of when he brought B Z to me. He was like, Look, bro, I'm like, he just rapping on the fucking camera, bro. He's like, man, he's hard though. But if we would have never did that, fam, we might have never there's a chain effect off of that just that one.
SPEAKER_07Frog wouldn't have got played today if if but it would have never, yeah, it would have never it fell in the place, bro.
SPEAKER_03He we played him on the thing, we had him come on. All things are everything, totally, bro. That's crazy. But we couldn't have planned actually we wanted to, yeah. That's crazy. All things are everything. Hey man, listen, bro. We're not doing this, we're not doing this today, bro. Shout out to y'all. All right, man. Uh the third pick is my pick, man, my future lady. I mean uh Sarah Bas. Shout out to her, bro. Uh, she's funny, she's fine, and she can sing, fam. So let's get it. I'm about to do a whole project just all.
SPEAKER_00She fire.
SPEAKER_03I love you. No bullshit, though. That shit fire, bro.
SPEAKER_07She got a couple of joints for real, bro. Yeah, she goes crazy.
SPEAKER_03Does she write that? I don't like almost all her shit. I feel like she is. Oh my gosh. She said, Hey, don't trip monster. She said, Hey, she said, Don't trip on me. I'm just giving what I'm getting, fam. Yeah. Like, what, bro? That's that shit.
SPEAKER_06That's so that's one of the fucking things I love most about people who write, and just to see different perspectives and how people. Use language differently.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know, and then and then and then she she did it up here. Oh yeah. And never came. She never came off of that. No. Uh-uh. That shit was hard, fam. Like that shit. And that shit is hard to do. When you when you're singing and like recording that shit to stay up there like that and make the whole song cohesive like that, that shit fired, bro. Yeah. That shit was called I Dare You by Sarah and she's really good live too.
SPEAKER_06Like seeing her at uh The Last Bar Fest, like it was just she had everybody vibing with her. She's funny, you know, like so if she's on stage, like yeah, and that's that was something I was super surprised by.
SPEAKER_03I mean, well, he talked about just the instrumental, yeah. And she's right away, was it was told me he was like, She's the first one that went live as far as singers. She was like, She's the first one all night that had gone live. And and I was like, Yeah, she is, and that shit sounded fucking great. And at first, when she first started performing, I don't know if she rapped on her first song or something, but she was doing something where she I almost thought she was nervous or something. Like she was looking at her friends, yeah, and was like laughing, but she like acting like she was kind of doing interesting about it. Yeah, like so right away, I'm like, oh, like, okay. And then she started doing her shit live.
SPEAKER_07I'm like, oh shit. Nah, there's one of her songs that's almost like like interlude vibes. Yeah, she she does that one a lot though. So it's okay. So maybe it might have been that one. It might have been that one.
SPEAKER_03She was doing carrying. Yeah, she was over there, and I thought she was being nervous about it. And I'm like, oh, okay, so maybe, and then and I thought she was rapping. I was like, Yeah, and then I turned around and she was singing, and then that's what Illy was like, Hey, she the first one went live all night. So shout out, shout out to her, bro.
SPEAKER_06I'm about to start taking uh what are they called? Um some roses or you know, for the fellas, something to you know, tribute them, bro. When you know, the the people who fucking execute how they're supposed to act, you're gonna have to get something from Illy, bro, because I be I be watching. Fuck you.
SPEAKER_03We think they should make some cold ass like all four one for all like tokens or something. Some cold, some like a little memorabilia or something. Like, hey, you snap, like, oh, I got the all four for all performance of the night token or something. That's fine. I like my fault, bro.
SPEAKER_07If you get coins printed for it, I don't think it's too expensive. Yeah, like if you buy that's that's that's kind of cold, bro.
SPEAKER_03Like and that that could be an achievement for you.
SPEAKER_06You can definitely do custom coins for sure. I don't know. Fuck it with me. I start uh you you ever see like the they got like a stamp, it's not a stamp, but it just raises it like raises the material of like a book paper or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I should yeah. I start putting that on real hundred dollar bills and start doing that. This nigga, wow, bro.
SPEAKER_03Hold on, you can just give me that. Give me that. I'll go make a $50 worth of car to get another $50.
SPEAKER_07No, but yeah, that shit is not a terrible idea though.
SPEAKER_03No, no, it's not to brand the yeah, but can you still use it after you do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Long as you don't actually, yeah. People still.
SPEAKER_03I mean, even if it's ripped, you can tape that bitch back together if it's real. Um, but yeah, shout out to Serene, shout out to Frog, and uh shout out to Troy Tyler. Shout out to all three of them, bro. Yeah, we didn't even try to do it, it just kind of ended up we all had RB people for our picks, and it worked out. All that shit was fire, bro. That was, that was that and and that's three people we need on the pod at one point or another. So fire. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. All right, let's go into this next segment and have some real talk. Some real talk. Let's get it. The first reel of the day is going to be this one. I really like this one, bro, because I didn't think about it like this, and it's facts. Let's go.
SPEAKER_02So I figured this out a couple weeks ago. Y'all know what's killing music, specifically what's killing hip hop music? That access to instrumentals. Stay with me. When I first started writing raps when I was 12 years old in 2003, you couldn't just make a song. You needed a producer, someone that made the beats. Remember, this is before the smartphones. Everybody owning a laptop or home studio or headphones with microphones or photographs, beat on YouTube, beat stores, you need to have a producer. You know, this is a little strong. But again, everybody gonna have their own studios to even get studios. So you just no beats from no producers, no loops, eliminated merch, and producers listeners, selling leads to exclusive lists, unlimited leads to YouTube leads to this, they were crystal. They don't give a fuck. They trying to get it. So they just upload unlimited instrumentals to the their beat stars and YouTube just so people can buy it. They don't give a fuck who's buying it. And then to top it off, Paul. The triple threat was born. Trans rappers access to instrumentals and the ability to go viral.
SPEAKER_03Dog. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02You're not wrong.
SPEAKER_06Dog. So let me get my fuck. Let me get my point off on that first. I in a small way I agree with that, but that comes from the perspective of every beat is a fire beat. Because that's like saying, you know, every rapper has fire bars. No, just like every producer is not a fire producer.
SPEAKER_07That's a fact.
SPEAKER_06I personally feel like the fall of music is from having access to recording studios. Because you can have a fire beat and still not be able to do nothing.
SPEAKER_07And still not be able to do nothing.
SPEAKER_06You can have fire lyrics, not be able to do nothing with it. But if you have access to the recording to put the two together, then that's where like the whack song actually is born. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's like the access to recording software material and actually recording it, for me, in my personal opinion, is what killed you know.
SPEAKER_07What do you think?
SPEAKER_06No, go ahead, bro. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_03I'll go last.
SPEAKER_07So I think he made entirely valid points. And I I agree with what you're saying too. Um but ultimately ultimately the only way that everybody having access to to create and do things and fucking make songs and music and articulate their little souls and dreams and goals and shit. Um the only way that that is a bad thing for everybody to do it is from a commercial standpoint. Yeah, yeah. Like just from the purity of creation, um I actually would like to say I lean more towards let them do it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. And not only a commercial standpoint, but a capitalistic standpoint. Yeah. Where niggas make financial gains and financial fucking moves and altering economics off of this shit.
SPEAKER_07If you feel like somebody's song, and and there is a there is a general like or a legitimate claim for certain people to say, like, yo, that trash song is in the exact place where my better song should be. Like certain people at certain levels can actually make that argument, but I think overall, ultimately, songs do what songs do. Yeah, I don't I don't know, bro. I don't know.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I because they're forms of expression. It's just so like if if a trash song is gonna allow somebody to not commit suicide or something like that, you know what I'm saying? Then it's you know, it's a good, it's a form of expression. I saw, bro.
SPEAKER_07Like they don't gotta make a lot of money from it. Now, if they do start making money, well, is it taking money out of your pocket? That's what yeah, that's my question at that point.
SPEAKER_03That's all I I go, I go. Ooh, I love this one, bro. So everything y'all said is 1000% valid. And I also agree 1,000 with this shit because I come from the era of that. I come from the era of if I was rapping, I had to either rap on beats that I got from somebody or we was downloading fucking industry beats and just going over that and making mixtapes. I come from that fucking, I literally started rapping the first time I ever recorded was on a beat from a producer. My first five songs was on a beat from a producer, and you know, like then I met bad news and we started doing industry beats and shit like that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, real quick, shout out to my homegirl Yasenia Saldivar. She used to download me CDs with beats like I started rap.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, also I wasn't big on the computer, so it was other people doing it for me. Facts. It was news. When I met bad news, he was the I got whatever you need, Napster Line, wire, any fucking beat you can think of. We go get that shit. And this is pre-Myspace, all that shit. So I I I agree with that so much because I lived it, right? I wouldn't say that what your point is takes away from that. I I would say your point just attaches to it and just amplifies it. Then we go from your point to his point, and true, it's a form of expression. Everybody should be able to do it. The problem is that when producers wasn't given just everybody beats, it was almost like a it was it, it wasn't a barrier, a physical barrier, or like but it's a barrier there. Exactly, it's something that you you you're putting a standard to it, you know what I'm saying? So then at the end of it, we said it was more of a capitalistic commercial thing, right? Yeah, that to me is what amplifies the bullshit on purpose. I agree, yeah, on purpose. That I agree, like you know what I'm saying? So like I think we're all saying not the same thing, but we're saying we're kind of adding to his yeah, we're just kind of adding on to it and then coming up with another conclusion. And I feel 1000% that is facts, bro. And hit what I like the most about this is I never thought about that. I never thought like niggas could just get beats now anywhere, fam, and you can just rap, and you can, and then you add on the fact that you got access to record it, and you got the fact that everybody's like, Well, this I should be able to express myself all that shit together, fam, is like now now throw fucking like Suno in there, yeah. Suno on top of that, you can just be like, Yo, I got this idea, and then and then over all of that, it's a motherfucker who knows, hey, if I uh steer these guys to go this way, literally motherfuckers are gonna go to jail and they're gonna do this and they're gonna buy it and they're gonna like it. Yeah, what the fuck nigga?
SPEAKER_06It's one whole big conspiracy it's a big house, and we're all on the outside looking through different windows, like yeah, the living room's the most important, not the bedrooms the most, not the kitchen's the most important.
SPEAKER_03If you take look at this fucking kitchen, this is what fucks the house up, you know what I'm saying? You're like, Well, look, I'm looking from the upstairs bedroom, and that's fucking the house up, right? You know, so it's like all these things just added together fucks the music up, bro. And but all I'm saying is that point was so fucking valid, and I never thought about it. That's all I was saying. I never thought about that shit, bro. And it's so true, nigga. I didn't have beats. I'm thinking about it like, holy shit, we didn't have beats, fam. Like, there wasn't just producers, just hey, you got a beat, he or you have a beat. No, nigga, you had to know a producer. I met a producer in Florida when I moved to Coral Springs. This was 04, 05, 04, 05. And uh, I just met these niggas trying to buy weed and shit, like, hey, bro, and I just walked up on them because I lived in like fucking I went to high school in five states, bro. So when I just walked up, I'm like, hey, y'all got some weed. All them niggas was like, What the fuck? Hell, they were smoking the blunt. Nigga, I seen the smoke coming from behind dog and shit. Like, nah, bro. I'm like, uh, y'all on some funny shit. I ain't no cop, I ain't nothing, nigga. Oh, for sure. Where you from, bro? I'm like, I'm from I'm from Milwaukee. I said I I lived in Milwaukee for like three months before I moved down there, and I didn't want to tell him I was from Wisconsin. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, I'm from Milwaukee and shit. You know what I'm saying? They was like, Oh, for sure. I'm from Wisconsin. Oh, you he's definitely a cop. He's like, cop, get him. You know what I'm saying? But no, but I told him I'm from Milwaukee, and there was this one nigga, he was like, Oh, I'm from Chicago, bro. That's what's up. Click. There was a Venezuelan nigga, bro. His name was Jose. Bro, I don't know where this nigga is at to this day. He was a producer, bro. And he was like, What do you what you be on? I'm like, shit, you know, I gang bang, nigga. That's the first thing I said. I gang bang, nigga. You know, big whatever. I ain't gonna say I was, you know, whatever. He's like, Oh, for okay. I'm like, nah, but I be rapping and shit too. He was like, For real? I make beats. Yeah, right. Yeah, nigga. I when I tell you I went to this nigga's house the next day, I just met him. The next day I went to his house, raped for like eight hours, bro. Fucks. He had hundreds of beats. FL. This is back when FL was brand new, bro. I'm talking about my no, I've been in Florida for three days. Yeah, bro. We recorded like four songs, and I'm thinking about it. It's so crazy to me, fam, because I'm thinking about it. The more I think about it, the more I fucking realize how deep what he's saying is. Because I wouldn't have never recorded no music down there if I would have never met somebody who produced.
SPEAKER_07No, it's like that. It's still like that to an extent, depending on how well for original music, yeah. Yeah, like how deep you want to get into your career, it's still like that to an extent. Like, but yeah, no, it's a lot more accessible just in general for sure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Also, I don't even know if that nigga's name was Jose. I forgot his name. He was a Venezuelan nigga, though. We went through some shit. But shout out to that nigga, fam. Shout out to the full sale when he graduated. Oh, that's where I went in school. Yeah, facts. He went to full sale when he graduated because you know they had a whole campus in Orlando and shit. So and fam. If it wasn't for him, I would have had not made any music in Florida, bro. Shout out Full Sale.
SPEAKER_07But that's where I met Julian though.
SPEAKER_03Damn, for real?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so Julian Gross? Yeah, if I didn't go to full sale, meet Julian there. If he didn't, we didn't, if he didn't stay back a month, meet Cody and end up moving here. Cody who? Cody, uh Cody, I don't remember his last name. His his his music name used to be like Civic. Oh, okay. I'll about say I thought he was talking about Cody for a second.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, nigga, yeah, right.
SPEAKER_07But yeah, Cody ended, he ended up moving down here with Cody, and I'm moved down here like two years later, bro. I literally would not be sitting here if I didn't. I gotta meet this Julian for a lot of a whole chain of events, bro.
SPEAKER_03Shout out Fool Cell for real. We're gonna be looking for you. But hey, no bullshit. Stop giving just anybody beats, bro. No, thanks.
SPEAKER_06Well, I mean, it it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_03It's gonna matter no more. Yeah, what are we gonna do? Cause Suno could just make it if anything.
SPEAKER_09So I swear.
SPEAKER_03All right, let's go into the next real talk. The next real talk was this one, right? Yeah. Let's go. This is a good one, too. Oh my fault, y'all. My fault. I didn't turn it up on here. Am I tripping or is this shit just No, I was working earlier. Yeah. Hold on. Oh no!
SPEAKER_01Oh no, AI! AI is stealing artists, AI is stealing guitarists, AI is stealing music. Oh no. Guess he gotta come see us live. Guess he gotta go to live shows that cost 20 bucks. Guess he gotta come see it in real life. Guess he gotta make friends. It's gotta come to real life. Cause you gotta come be my friend in real life. Guess you gotta come to that show. I guess you gotta come to real life. Oh no.
SPEAKER_06When I saw that, now I was laughing. That shit is true. You know, it's true. Everybody's so worried about the, you know, how AI is negatively gonna affect. And I've been saying it, you know, since we started talking about the AI thing, is like, you know, it's only gonna increase the value in actual human creative thing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, because that you did see the first time we talked about it.
SPEAKER_06You know, AI cannot be at a show, and you cannot walk up to AI and shake its hand, you know, or like catch a picture with AI. And AI can't give you a moment, you know, the picture's coming though before.
SPEAKER_07The picture's coming, man. Yeah, but bro, like, bro, I'll be live painting, like at these events, like at my residency. And there's certain AI couldn't do that because I'm l I'm legitimately painting based on the vibe of what's happening right now, like there might be a day when it can. But yeah, right now, like there's still a level of creativity that and that's why authenticity is so important. Because if if y'all just all try to fall into like these pre-laid paths that everybody's falling into, bro, there's nobody's a real person anymore.
SPEAKER_03Well, I mean, so even from musician to even a painter, I well, I mean, I guess I I I can't say people are gonna want to, I'm gonna say I personally. Yeah, you can get a fucking robot to fucking brush strokes and shit. Yeah. But if I'm watching you fucking live or I just know that you painted that shit with your hand watching me really and you created that with your mind, that's different. You know, that that's where the value would come in.
SPEAKER_07You know, that that's where it goes from a $50 painting to fucking there's imperfections that are in my paintings that a robot wouldn't do. Type shit, it'd be too perfect. It's too because I can't, I I'm not even planning all of these imperfections, they just exist, and I'm not always taking them away because it adds to you feel me. And that imperfections are what's so beautiful about the reality. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_06Hey, that's like musically too. When uh too perfect, too perfect. When one of my favorite things to see is like an artist get on stage, be doing a good show, fuck up, and then come back. Yeah, that's nigga. Yeah, you won. You won for me. You won my like my fanness. You know what I'm saying? Like I fuck with people who do that shit because it's like I don't know, it's just like uh it's like watching a football game, and then you see the motherfucker catch, you know, catch a kickoff.
SPEAKER_07This nigga's running, bam, he gets hit, fumbles the ball, grabs the ball, picks it up, does a little bit of a fucking heads for another 20 yards.
SPEAKER_06It's like, oh, that nigga so cold. He dropped the ball, got the ball, recovered, yeah, and then you know, ran for some like that's what makes a motherfucker cold, not like I just ran that shit 100 yards straight, effortlessly, yeah. Oh, bro.
SPEAKER_07Little to no fucking opposition, you know, like the best parts in life, the funnest parts of life are when you have to think like right now, you have no choice but to just act, bro. Like, I say all the time, my favorite part of life, and this is just a metaphor, but like, bro, rolling down a hill, and there's like a rock right there and a tree right there, and you and it's right in front, you just have to like, bro, that's my favorite part of life, bro. Like, yeah, and just in in a general sense, bro, riding like on the brink of known and unknown, like right on that edge, bro. That's like where you find yourself and shit for real.
SPEAKER_03No, it is, it is because like that's like saying I don't want to just bring some crazy shit, but like I got family members who didn't necessarily was raised how I was, and then you see them and they'll be like fucking up, and you know, we grown as hell, you fucking up. You know what I'm saying? Like you fucking up now when we already and then I look back and I'm like, oh, that's because you didn't have, like you said, the fucking rocks on the way down the hill. Yeah, you had rocks on the way you're supposed to be rolling back up, nigga. Exactly. Now there's fucking rocks, and you're like, oh shit, and now you don't even know how to fucking you don't know to maneuver. You don't know how to maneuver through nothing. You just you know, and then I'm looking at me, my sister, and my brother, and shit, you know. I get it. Shit was too easy, and now that you dealt with I've struggled my whole life.
SPEAKER_07We dealt with the rocks already.
SPEAKER_03Cakewalk. Yeah, like now shit, like shit that would break a motherfucking another grown ass man's mind. I'm like, it's rough. I'm not gonna sit here and act like I'm just like the toughest in all you're but it's like it's gonna be all right, bro. We we gonna make it and you know you're gonna survive so many. I know how to survive this, fam. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. So it's like that's facts. That's a great analogy, right? No bullshit, bro. Cause you know, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta do it eventually, because life, nobody's life. I don't give a fuck if you a billionaire, nigga, if you a fucking poor person, nigga, if you a middle class, you fucking black, white, asian, latino, nothing, nigga. Everybody's life. You're gonna be something's gonna fuck you up.
SPEAKER_07Absolutely. Yeah, something is gonna fuck you up. How are you gonna how you gonna move with it? And are you gonna like are you gonna hold on to yourself in the process, bro? Like, yeah, don't let like the whatever, like yeah, really like hinder your state of like existence, and like, bro, you still gotta know you got value and shit, especially when you're in the hardest moments of your life. That's when you gotta know you got the strengths to most, bro.
SPEAKER_03Let it mold you, not fold you. Oh, I'm cold.
SPEAKER_07I'm cold, digging. That's when you gotta turn up the hardest, dog. Like the the moment that you yourself want to give up on your Yourself. That's when you yourself have to prove to yourself that you go hard.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, because nobody else is gonna do it for you. Nobody's going to that that that right there, that right there, nobody else is gonna do it for you. Might be the biggest lesson I've ever fucking learned in my life. Same, bro. I swear. You gotta do it yourself, nigga.
SPEAKER_07And you could let it bother you at first and hope for handouts and shit, but ultimately you still gotta do the work. So you might as well let it empower you and just do it, though.
SPEAKER_03Facts. I'm about to go eat a salad.
SPEAKER_07Why not?
SPEAKER_03Because I'm fat as a working on that shit, nigga. Like, throw a couple cuts of uh some lean protein in there, some steak. I've been on the biggest thing. I love salad, bro. Yeah, no bullshit. Me too. Yes, me too.
SPEAKER_06I just love everything else too, nigga. So all right. So um I got these two topics that I wanted to uh bring up bring up to y'all and see what your views were. Um, so let me read these. Um, these are actually Facebook statuses that were made, and I thought they were pretty, you know, contradictory and just something that would be good to talk about for some topics. So uh let me know what y'all think. Um, this one is from a uh videographer. So this says, You can't win with this shit. Shake my head. LOL. Bruh, I shoot videos. I'm not an AR. I do not have to like your song. You can't force me to like your song. It's a plus if I do, but you cannot force me to like your song if it ain't my type of music. I am not the nigga that's gonna tell you this shit fire, and it's not. Don't ask me what I think if you can't accept the honest criticism. If it's fire, I'm gonna let you know. If it's not, I'm gonna let you know it ain't my kind of music, but I'm not the one you should be trying to impress. Something I may not like could be something 100 other people may like. I'm gonna do my job bringing the song out visually regardless. Now, if I choose to shoot people I like, then it'll be folks only shoot for such and such. Shake my head.
SPEAKER_03What do y'all think about that? First of all, shout out to uh I believe that's Ray Shoddett that said that. Ray Moore, I don't know if that. I'm not sure that's Ray Shoddett. Uh, shout out to Ray Shotded.
SPEAKER_07He does good work.
SPEAKER_03Great work, yeah. And that which phenomenal which makes his point even for sure, yeah.
SPEAKER_07For sure. Um personally, bro, um I think the only person who one has to believe in your song is you is your song. Um you can hire somebody for a job and they're doing the best job that needs to be done outside of their opinion. Like they're a professional doing a job, and if the job is just to make the best product, it doesn't matter really if they like the song or not. It could be a plug. But if you're gonna go into every interaction and you need everybody to like your song, bro, you're gonna have a bad time at every single show. Yeah, like that there's never gonna be a night unless you're key where every single person loves everyone. You feel me? Like, there's really not like and that's part of it too. Like, you gotta be okay with grabbing the fans that you grab when you grab them, and like letting that be a consistent process. But um yeah, dog, I don't I don't think I think as a professional you can do a job without liking their product, like you can several.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, uh from a professional standpoint, one thousand percent. I I agree. Uh, I think he might have just ran into somebody who just feels like they want they might make a better product if you like it. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07Which is which is you should find somebody prior to that.
SPEAKER_03I was just about to say that's literally my next word was if that's the case, you should find somebody that rocks with your shit like that and that does that. And if they're not as good as fucking Ray shot it, well then nigga, then you gotta go find somebody who fucking is gets that good to work with you. That's why a lot of people build up with people. That's why people have videographers that might not be the hottest videographer, because you might not be the hottest rapper, and then y'all build that shit together, you know what I'm saying? And that's where that comes from. Cause I feel like that sometimes too. But I only feel like that when niggas be trying to not trying to, but when people offer me free shit. Like they'll be like, hey, I'll I'll fuck with your shit, bro. I'll do a free video for you. And they really just getting off the clout and they don't really give a fuck about the product. Yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, I don't do that shit unless you really like my shit. Yeah, you know, I want you to or like don't have me on a show unless you like my shit. If you're just trying to just get me to do it, you know what I'm saying? Like you're just trying to get some clout or something. But I I feel like that might be a kind of a different, yeah, a different subject. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07I guess it just depends what the job is. Because bro, like videos, nigga, like bro, as a DJ, I don't I don't DJ all all music. I like to hear all the shit. You feel me?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and to to elaborate on what you were saying, that's like um, you know, you could hire a lawyer to defend your case, and the lawyer might not actually agree. He doesn't think you're innocent. This nigga probably knows you're not innocent, yeah, but his job is to defend your innocence. Yeah, I bet you wouldn't give a fuck then. Yeah, no matter what.
SPEAKER_07No, that's good, great.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, you wouldn't give a fuck then. That's what I equate it to, you know, what he's saying. And um, yeah, he he that's the the knockout point where they're like nigga.
SPEAKER_03Would you want your lawyer to give a fuck if you're innocent or not? Right, nigga, do your job if you go to your job, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Get my shit off, you know what I'm saying? Like, and that's that's the same thing, that's the videographer's job, nigga. Make sure this video is as hot as you can possibly make it, look good. That's you know what I'm saying? Like that way, if the song ain't hot, some people might be fans just and that's what he does, fam.
SPEAKER_03So I feel what he's saying. He's like, bro, I I'm gonna do a good job because I do a good job, exactly. Yeah, I bet you I'm I wonder where that came from. Somebody just inbox like, bro, you don't think my shit hot?
SPEAKER_06Like, and he's definitely somebody um we want to get on the podcast as well.
SPEAKER_03He got he got clout with the video shit, bro.
SPEAKER_06So niggas probably like if he's shooting your video, just fucking be happy, bro. Like, this nigga buy that he got his own fan base that's fucking checking out.
SPEAKER_03And put arbitrary pressure on people, but yeah, it's you can do that last one, but rap wrap it.
SPEAKER_06All right, no, we could actually wrap it. Okay, for sure. All right, so um man, before we wrap it up, thank you very much for coming to the studio, bro, and just sitting vibing with us and giving your perspective on life and just you know, because I learned a lot about you today. You know, I learned we have a lot of similarities, we we you know see things a lot of the same way, and that's dope, you know. Absolutely, you don't meet too many people like that.
SPEAKER_07Absolutely. No, it was a pleasure. I appreciate y'all for real.
SPEAKER_03Shit, bro. I I'm just happy that we got to uh get over this hump of uh our relationship doing this as opposed to you know, because now I I don't even have to fucking wonder about nothing, you know what I'm saying? Like and we did it in a professional setting, yeah. We had a good time, we went fucking 30 minutes over than we usually do, and I'm like, we could go another hour right now. I could just tell by how we talk and shit. So yeah, it felt easy. That and the fact that the whole reason we invited you is because you a fucking rapping ass nigga, but be rapping your motherfucking ass off, bro. Appreciate that. Like you got them bars, fam, and you one of the most multi-syllable rhyming ass niggas I met in a long time.
SPEAKER_06I mean, and you're the most creative motherfucker in the universe. I fuck with it.
SPEAKER_03No bullshit.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, uh, so that concludes this episode of the R414 Podcast, brought to you by Illy, Street Team Hectic, the R414R Media Studio, and our guest for episode 48, Charismatic. Yeah, yeah. Love you. Crazy. Shout out to my boy BZ Bars in the back. If you haven't already, we encourage you to take a moment to subscribe to our channel, like this video, and leave a comment about the topic that interests you the most. As always, thank you for watching and come back for the next episode of the R414 Podcast.
SPEAKER_03Producer, stop giving your fucking beats out for nothing, baby. Let's go.
