All 414 All Podcast Episode 47 W/ Keav

Episode 47 Keav kicks off the week with a performance for the books! Then we discuss his outlook on the hometown scene and his own personal obstacles in it, along with some REEL Talk about the things and emotions music affects and the forever argument of sales over talent!!4

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SPEAKER_09 1:02

Baby dash is gonna take up. Yeah, baby dashes gotta take a different day. Same way I'm gonna be down this game. Sweet piss comfort of me, go through the worst, we say tough shit. Wish and I had to put a diamonds out of rough shit. Fucking mentality just leave me pants up shit. When we get together, I get great thoughts. Baby, you a superhero with the K-poff. Making love songs, but I'm heart that I feel I had to tape off. Baby not gonna die, just a language. We the perfect size for the big picture. Baby not gonna die, just a language. We the perfect size for the big picture. Wait, excuse me, baby, I didn't mean to overstep it. You put me into the ocean with the wave I had the cats. I know it's running deep. So I've been saving up my breath for a time where I could dive head first with no regret. You've been stuck up in my maladies, melody. I'm my best, but when you round, I'ma better me. Yes, can't see you, baby. You guys just like stay on having on the move, you gotta hit me on a play. Somebody gotta wanna move on in a peg up. Baby, I can't die, just a little bit. We the baby size for the baby shack. Baby, I can't die, just a little bit. We the five size for the baby side. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 2:30

Yeah, shout out to Julian Gross for that beat. He uh he kind of cooked with that. I had to get a little lady on the app.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

I fuck with that, bro.

SPEAKER_17 2:41

Steve. What? That's exactly what I was talking about, bro. Like he be he did that live one time and I was like, oh, shut me up, bro. Like that shit be fucking fire.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

So the first time I got to see you live was last night. You performed some shit like that last night.

SPEAKER_14 2:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

I thought bitches was gonna start throwing their fucking drawers into the stage and shit. I'm like, these motherfuckers is fucking with it.

SPEAKER_06 3:05

Man, yeah, man. The level is go. Yeah, I can't lie. That one, that was.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

Keith, man. Let's fucking get it. All right. Mike Check, you now tapped into the R414 Podcast, where hometown artistry is supported, recorded, and awarded an interview from the number one platform in the city. Before we dive into today's episode, take a brief moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell so you can stay updated on future episodes as we continue to bring the truest talent our hometown has to offer. I am your host, the 414 Tycoon, more commonly known as Illy. And joining me as co-host is my lyrical brethren, the verbal executionist Street Team Hectic. These episodes are brought to you out of the R414R Media Studio. And behind the lens, we got SG Films. This week, for episode 47, we got an independent artist whose catalog is on multiple platforms. He's collaborated with artists like Glitch, Boy Wander, and David Lopez of Passion Park ENT. His recent projects and EPs and albums such as uh The Paradox of Love, Skate More, New Heights, and Passionate Distractions. We introduce you to Kieve, aka Kieve Tunes, aka Skateboard Kieve. You got any more?

SPEAKER_07 4:31

Keeve Nash, aka Keeve Harvey, aka Kung Fu Kieve, aka Um Justin Kiever, aka Justin Timber Keve, uh aka Nash. Let's go, man.

SPEAKER_17 4:47

Timber Keith. Keith Payne. Keith Payne. Nah, but uh, Keith, bro. All right, so I'm you know, this is me being transparent. This is me being somebody who uh is like confronting uh certain biases and prejudices that I be doing. And uh obviously not like on no prejudice shit, but you know, uh when I seen you the first time, you did knee slapper. I was like, fire. But is that all he has? You know what I'm saying? Because I didn't know you, so I'm like, is this all is this the only thing he's bringing in? Because it's very much uh commercialized type sound, you know, yeah, certain uh.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

It gives uh a little dicky, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 5:31

Almost like uh, you know, like a gimmicky type thing, bro. Then I seen you at uh quarters, and then you guys did like the Passion Park CF uh collab, all y'all was on stage. And you went live with David Lopez and uh Charismatic, and BZ didn't even go live that night, and you went live. And then that's when I seen that you really do the little melody harmonizing, and then you got to rapping, and I was like, oh shit, like this shit is fire, bro. Like, and I was like, you know, again, shut me the fuck up. And I tell this all the time on the pod, bro. People will surprise me. I'm definitely somebody you have to do that with. I'm like, I'm one of those people that like when J. Cole first came out, I was like, I can rap like that, nigga. Like, yeah, like and I had to like, you know, I had to be like, hey nah, bro, he one of the ones. So shout out to you, bro, because you fire, bro, and I fuck with you. And uh last night at the show, even we was sitting there, I was in the outside because it was hot as a bitch and there it was fucking packed. I went outside, they called you up to the stage. Before I even got to walk in there, there was a group of chicks out there was like, is that Keefe going on? Oh, we gotta go get Keeve. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, and then when I walked in, they had already made their way in, bro, and you was doing knee slapper. Lit. Yeah, had that bitch fucking turnt.

SPEAKER_07 6:46

That shit had my heart warmed on. You know what I mean? Oh man, I wasn't even I wasn't feeling the greatest before I walked into that show. And like when that shit happened, it's like, man, those are those moments. Like I say, you gotta be grateful for that kind of shit. Man, yeah, what yeah.

SPEAKER_17 6:59

As an artist, I I 100% understand how you feel. Yeah, uh, I remember one time I was watching Rich P do uh Hell Yeah, he got the song called Hell Yeah, and he'd be like, you know, when I say something, some, you gotta say hell yeah, and then he did the song. And I remember he did it, and he had the whole crowd was so into it. I seen him on stage like hell yeah, hell yeah. And he was like, like, he was like, Oh shit, like this really caught me like fucking work this time, you know what I'm saying? Like, like you know, so and then last night for me, I seen you on stage, and I was like, This is a fucking moment for him, fam. Like, yeah, because if nobody there has this is something artists don't understand, nobody has to fucking like your music, no, for sure. They don't have to sing your along with your shit, no, not alone. You know, you know, especially when you're just an artist just doing artist shit, right? You know, like it'd be different, maybe if me and Illy did like a feature song on stage and people like, oh yeah, you know good shit, because they're trying to get on the pod or something, you know what I'm saying? But Keeve just gets up there, like, hey bro, I'm not even feeling too hot, I'm just gonna do this shit. And everybody's like fucking singing along, fucking cheering. You might have had the best response. You might have had the best uh uh crowd response of the night, bro. So shout out to you, bro.

SPEAKER_07 8:12

Man, one thing I'll never do is be like uh like everybody wave your arms side to side, and then it's all forced, and like people feel bad that they're not doing it. Man, like it's one thing to direct the crowd, like there's a time and a place for it, and sometimes that is like the perfect thing to do, but like people be trying to recreate like a moment that they seen, yeah. And that's like a big thing. You can't make the crowd like feel uncomfortable and then tell them to jam to your music. Like that's just so weird. Go by the card. I really I really just let people do what they do, and like people have been gravitating towards it. So it's working, bro.

SPEAKER_17 8:43

It's working, and like I said, bro, I seen people talking about you outside and they weren't with your camp. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know that for a fact. Like they were people just from other people, or they were just there and they were like, Keith's going on, you know. And then when I got in there, this I heard your name like a hundred times, Key, hey, Keith. I was like, bro, he's fucking killing it and shit. Like, that's why that's when I told Ily, I'm like, man, you think we should have Key tomorrow? Like, we the guest schedule got a little fucked up. I'm like, shit, let's go ask him, and I asked you, so it worked out perfectly.

SPEAKER_03 9:10

Appreciate you showing up too, bro, because that's what's up, that's love. Yeah, um, what I noticed last night, man, was it was kind of what you were alluding to. The fact that um you showed up, you weren't in the best of spirits or whatever. Um, your dad was there with you. Yeah, shout out my dad. Yeah, everybody was like Keith. Oh, the legend. Yeah, yeah, you know, and I thought that was unique. You know, there's not a lot of people who can say, like, you know, their dad showed up to their performance.

SPEAKER_07 9:43

He built BZ a bed before that, like dude just teeing off woodworking.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

Right, 12 o'clock, the same day. For real, yeah, the whole day. Yeah, it was crazy. That's crazy. But um I'm saying custom built bed isn't it? Yeah, I'm saying like handcrafted, like it's just nuts. Yeah, and it is to me, it was just like how live you were. Uh a bar that always sticks in my mind um just throughout the history of music is MC means move the crowd. And what you did last night, you really accomplished that. Like you said, you're not trying to like force the crowd to have an interaction with you, you're just kind of leading them, yeah, you know, where in the direction of where the song is supposed to take them. And however, if if they decide to follow you, cool. If they don't, just let them do what they do, let them enjoy their time. But anybody who is following you, they were into it, bro.

SPEAKER_07 10:38

Yeah, it's a good time.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

You know, you definitely move the crowd, you didn't like force the crowd to move. Yeah, yeah, man. I appreciate that. Big facts, big fucking facts, you know. So I I describe that is the as a true MC. Yeah, you know, because you were rapping, you were singing, and you were just you were giving the crowd an experience.

SPEAKER_06 10:58

No, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

And it was dope to see that.

SPEAKER_17 11:00

And then just to just to touch on the subject real quick, pause, uh uh what Illy is saying is move the crowd up, and the actual term for it is master of the ceremony. Yeah, yeah. And you fucking mastered the ceremony. You had that bitch lit fan. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:15

You know, and like he said, you know, when I first learned of you, um, I had saw a couple reels on Instagram, and they had you like doing the a cappella and stuff like that. And I was like, all right, he's he's pretty dope. You know, he's not like nothing that I'd be too sold on right now. You know, I'd have to like see him live, you know, because like he said, is this the only thing he might have to offer? Yeah, you know, and then I I'm always real cautious when I like rappers are like do shit that's like real gimmicky, you know, especially like but like I said, that first knee slapper, it it was giving me like Lil Dicky, but probably a lot of people don't notice. Lil Dicky's one of my favorite rappers. He's so talented as a lyricist, yeah. You know, and he can got that versatility, right? You know, he can move into whatever lane he wants, you know, it's just what he enjoys doing. Yeah, you know, and after seeing you last night, that shit sold me, bro. I was like, I'm sold, bro. I I buy the product, yeah, you know. So shout out to you for that.

SPEAKER_07 12:18

Uh that song, I actually created that song because I got sick of the song ice creams. I was performing that too much, and all my friends would be mad if I didn't perform it. So I made knee slappers so that people would just kind of forget about ice creams.

SPEAKER_17 12:31

Yeah, like hey man, shut that shit up. I got another one. I got another one, bro. Yeah, I got another one, bro. I got another one, bro.

SPEAKER_07 12:36

Yeah, it kind of did its job for sure. And now every once in a while I'll do ice creams again and it's like fresh again. I have fun again with it. Yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_17 12:43

See, but that's dope to have, bro. That it's dope. Uh, I I tell artists all the time if you got anything that somebody's requesting, you doing a good job, bro. Like, because there's artists I've never seen anybody be like, hey, do this song. I've seen artists back in my heyday, looking ass like I'm a super old ass. But back in the day when we used to like be just every week performing all the time, and we used to do uptown or all the time and shit, uh, there was people who did a new song every set. Yeah, every time you seen them, they had new music. Yeah, and which is not a bad thing because that means you're creating, but what I'm saying is you don't have anything that people stick to, you know what I mean? Right, you know, and then we would have songs where people would be like, You gonna do this, or like you said, they'll get mad if I didn't do a certain song. And I'm like, bro, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 13:27

Like, yeah, I'm trying to grow, bro. You know what I'm saying? And I mean I'm trying to be better, bro. We're trying to have an experience with the crowd, and you can't do that if you're losing them in communication, because part of the communication is them being able to communicate back what they have uh received from you. You know, so if if they don't know any of your lyrics and they can't really vibe with you, now that's where you're on stage, you're doing your set, and the crowd's just like this because they're trying, they're now they're intaking a new song, you know, instead of like, I heard this song last time, I know the hook at least, so now I could jam too. Yeah, you know. So I always think that's a bad thing when they switch up too much.

SPEAKER_07 14:08

Yeah, yeah, it's definitely good to have consistency in a certain capacity with that kind of stuff. But yeah, that trying to grow thing, that's essential. Because the reason why I started to not like that song was because I was like, dude, these lyrics are terrible. Like my mom went to show ice creams to my grandma, and I was like, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no. She doesn't need to hear that.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

That's crazy. Now I'm gonna have to go listen to the song. That's what I get to hear.

SPEAKER_07 14:33

Nobody even realizes it. I'm talking crazy the whole time. So knee slapper is like the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

He's talking about cracking people's grandmas, yeah. Like, don't show this to my grandma, though. It's not for I'm cracking grandmas on here. Don't talk to grandma. All right. Um so one question that I do have for you is uh what's your experience been in the hometown scene?

SPEAKER_07 14:56

Oh, I so far it's been great. I really like I don't know. I I love it personally. It's like small enough to where you're like easily connected with everything that's going on. I feel like and like I don't know, a lot of people look at like a lot of the different pockets going on as like, oh, it's like clicky and separated. But like I've been able to navigate through pretty well. Like most people are pretty chill. You know what I mean? Like it's like, yeah, I don't know. I like the way that it's been moving so far too, because like the past since I've been really doing music frequently, like 2023, I started really doing shows like every like other weekend kind of thing, and like just really getting out and being involved in it. And like since then it's been like everybody was kind of just meeting each other for the first time, and now we've been kind of establishing like little collectives, and people have been noticing like which music works as well with other music, and like I feel like the scene is really connected right now compared to like how it's ever been. You know, when I talk to people that are older and have been around for longer, they're like this is the same thing basically. Like people used to be pretty separated and not willing to work with each other and kind of flipping a little bit now. So I think it's a little it's cool to be on the front end of that switch in the end, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 16:14

So that's due to a lot of the mentality and like cultural um grooming, I guess, in the city. You know, back in the day, everything was about like gangs and sets, and like I'm from this side and you from that side, you stay over there, I'm over here, we're part of this, and we only fuck with people who are this, as opposed to like now. I mean, there's still obviously gangbangers and shit like that, but nobody's like really gangbanging and shit like that, you know, especially like the younger generations. They're not like they are is just not as prevalent, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 16:51

And it's not the same, as it yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Like there's a more like community in like the whole of Milwaukee now than there's you know, and if you ask OGs, they'll even say it ain't the same, not at all, not at all.

SPEAKER_17 17:03

So it's like and then to add to what he's saying, um that's a that's a dope perspective, I don't even think about it like that. But also back when I was when we were super boots to the ground everywhere, um the people who were doing major shit weren't here, bro. They were like, I'm separated from these. So if you were trying to make it to somewhere, you felt like you were I gotta separate too. I gotta be me and my people only, because that's how the people who actually are making strides are doing. And uh not and and then when you look at now, you know, you're liable to see Big Frank fucking walking around somewhere Puerto Rico. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Steve the Stoner, walking around it, dollar the speaker, fucking performer. You know what I'm saying, though? Yeah, and these are the big names of the city, so but they're still here doing work, doing stuff in the city. So it's different from back then. As soon as people made any type of name, they was like, fuck y'all, you know what I'm saying? We don't be here.

SPEAKER_03 18:03

As soon as Rico Love started becoming Rico Love, really Rico Love, like known by the city, that nigga was out, he gone. And you know, just a lot of artists who were like that.

SPEAKER_07 18:14

I feel like a lot of it too is the fact that it's more accessible now to like actually just stay here and make a living. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like back, like I don't know, like the the music industry has shifted so much since like like like I mean even 20 years ago, dude. Like you had like 10 years ago was crazy. Yeah, you had to be there physically to do a lot of the stuff that you can do through the internet now. Yeah, I completely agree with that. People would jet out to ATL and LA, like they needed to spend way more time there than they do.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

Before you had to fucking go to the guy that was mastering your music in a different state, now you can just fucking email him that shit. Right, and he'll send it back when it's ready. No, for sure.

SPEAKER_07 18:54

So I think that's a big part of like why it's more accessible for people to just kind of blow up and then just chill here where their family is, and you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_17 19:02

Like, it's a culmination of all these aspects, bro, and then we're still a uh we're still a uh uh fucking dry city, bro. Like we we still have it, you know. We're so thirsty for you know what I'm saying, just that that that leap forward that's gonna put us on the national stage permanently. And I don't think we've made it there yet, bro. Like I've just not permanently, you know what I'm saying? Like every time we get somebody really close, they either go to jail or fucking somebody get passes away, or shit like you know, what happened with Clark.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

I feel like it's gonna happen soon though, because that's what I was saying. It's the same way that like uh you know, with the whole basketball, Giannis, you know, kind of like it was like we hardly we we saw that um that journey building, building up, you know, and everybody was like, I think this nigga's the one, you know, like and then sure enough, that nigga was the one that like fucking won us the whole championship, you know, and then ever since then, you know, Milwaukee is like known as like, oh, these niggas is some champions, you know, like and now he's gonna get another championship where he gotta beat us to get there and shit.

SPEAKER_17 20:14

That's fucking weak as hell. They just got John Morant, fam. Yeah. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Well that shit happens, you know, like, but at least, you know, it's like uh at least we're back in the conversation again. You know, we're we're back in the conversation. It's sports, you know. People get traded, people, you know, there's limited of what they can do with the players that weren't around him at that same time and the coaching that wasn't around him, and then they're not following the same plan that they were following at that time. So it's like you gotta move shit around in order to like work the new plan at the best it can work, you know. And if there's somebody who's gonna come in to, you know, give us a better chance at getting another championship, fucking cool, you know. But at the same time, I mean, we've won a championship within the last five years, type shit. So it's like we can't be mad at that, you know. Not a lot of fucking cities can say that.

SPEAKER_17 21:13

Yeah, that's how I feel about it, and that's why I'm like, well, I I don't I'm not a sports guy, so I don't I only said that because I love that we had somebody like that that was here. I just hate that bait that sports makes them do that. Like, well, I gotta leave just to win and shit. I'm like, you already won, brother. You know, I don't understand everything. You already won, bro. You already don't ever win again. Just take it, just take the take your win, bro. Just lose the rest of your career. Be loyal to something, fam. Be loyal to something, fam. Spoil ass that's he is loyal, he's loyal to the money, bro.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

That's what we're loyal to. No, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_17 21:46

That shit. Oh man. I I'm I'm selfish about the shit, bro, because I just don't understand that shit. But whatever, fam.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

I do, because if they tell me, hey, we about to open up Ellie tents for you, we're finna pay for the whole thing. In Arkansas. I'm like Arkansas. It was nice knowing Arkansas.

SPEAKER_17 22:05

The weirdest state he could possibly claim and shit. It could be anywhere, is what I'm saying, nigga. You know what? The only the one only fucking interesting thing about, and I don't even know if this is interesting that I know about Arkansas is when they had the fucking gangbanging documentary on HBO fam. And they had a whole bunch of like white boy GDs and niggas can from Appleton. Uh-uh. Appleton documentary? Well you gotta watch that. I gotta see that, bro.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

Yeah, nigga can tell me to move to Nebraska, Wyoming.

SPEAKER_17 22:34

Bro, this nigga naming the most dead states ever.

SPEAKER_03 22:37

Hey, they can tell me to move anywhere. If they're like, hey, we got two mil. We just need you to pick up and move your business over here. I'm it was nice knowing all of y'all.

SPEAKER_17 22:48

This nigga.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

Thank you for shopping with me, but I'm gone. Just leave me enough for a year, bro. Like, let's keep this up for a year, man.

SPEAKER_11 22:55

Look at that.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

No, we definitely gonna keep this up. Because think about it. Nigga, if if they if they ready to give me a two mil up front, I've been doing what we've been doing with less than that. You know what I'm saying? So nigga, I'm like, heck. I'm gonna fly back every second.

SPEAKER_11 23:12

Take a five looking ass.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

Heck, we're moving to Wyoming.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

He said, We're moving to Wyoming. SG back your shit. He said, Wyoming? I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_07 23:23

I'm not gonna lie, Wyoming was sick. I went to Wyoming. Was it Wyoming? Yeah, there's like um, I don't know. It's very desolate out there. It's a it's a different type of lifestyle for sure. But it was really cool to visit. Like uh being in the Teton Mountains and stuff like that. I seen like an elk like real close. A real elk like a real elk. I was riding an elk fuck me up, dude. For real.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

Elks are dangerous, did you? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they will. Dude, they'll head both. The motherfuckers can swim.

SPEAKER_06 23:49

Like, yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

Dog said like hippos dangerous. The motherfuckers can swim. Like like hippos type. No, no, I know what you mean. They be underwater fucking trotting and shit. Cross oceans and shit.

SPEAKER_07 24:00

Kangaroos will drown to two or three. They'll go and act like they're drowning, and then people go try to save them, and then they like, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

Well, that's only because their arms are so short. So they're like, right, help me up, and then they actually pull you under like are you saying they do it maliciously?

SPEAKER_17 24:14

No, they do it maliciously like they're like, yeah, they're on stage. That's why I don't fuck with kangaroos though, man. Kangaroos be on stage. They fight like humans. Yeah, no, they be on like bullshit, and then they be like real, like, what's up, baby? Yeah, what's up? Hell no.

SPEAKER_05 24:25

Yeah, I'm not squaring up with one of them.

SPEAKER_03 24:27

My goal is my goal is to have the uh kangaroo fucking stage day.

SPEAKER_17 24:36

The kangaroo, the kangaroo or square up with illie just because he's buffing shit.

SPEAKER_03 24:40

Like, man, you ain't buff, bro. All right, uh you're in Australia.

SPEAKER_17 24:44

Let's go into a song of yours, Keeve. All right, this is called What If by Keith. This this is also produced by Julian Gross. Yep. Shout out to Julian Gross, bro. I've heard your name more than a couple of times.

SPEAKER_07 24:54

Yeah, he does a lot of my engineering, a lot of my beats. Like, so that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_17 24:58

Is he the one that engineers BZs? Uh is that who I met yesterday? He got glasses and shit?

SPEAKER_07 25:02

No, that's Dom.

SPEAKER_17 25:03

No, that's Dom. Okay, okay. I was about to say is I got I got the wrong guy then, but this is Keyve. What if? Let's go.

SPEAKER_14 25:17

I need some production. You get at it, bro?

SPEAKER_06 28:11

That wasn't awful. Thank you, bro.

SPEAKER_17 28:14

He said that wasn't awful. Bro, so we had a conversation last week about how we felt about the scene now compared to when we started and shit, right? And I think you play perfectly into the the scenario or the the thought process I had about you know, I was being so competitive, I was fucking tunnel vision. I'd be like, I don't give a fuck about what they doing over here, what they doing over here. And then I would be like, they don't do that here. You know what I mean? Yeah, and that shit right there is the shit I'm talking about. Like we don't we don't make cold music like that, bro. Like we got this, we got slap music, and motherfuckers already be rapping, and we got people who try to just copy everybody else. But your shit's actually really fucking unique, bro. The sound is like it's obviously uh uh a genre, but I don't know what genre it would be considered, so it's it's definitely like a genre type of beater style, but I think it's like melodic hip hop, you know what I'm saying? Almost like uh uh slash Rice and Tiller type you know what I'm saying? Like King Taylor, King Killer. No, but you know what I'm saying? Like, and uh you you play into what I was saying perfectly, bro. Like because that's exactly what I meant when I said, you know, like I used to think that we but we do that here, bro. We have we have whatever a motherfucker need in the city of Milwaukee to vibe with, you know what I'm saying? And that shit was fire, bro. Uh you're really good at making things that sound like a hook, like part of your verses and shit. Like you have the hook, what if, and then I damn near like the other bridge better as the hook, right? When he was doing the other part, I was like, oh, that shit's fire. It's talent, bro. And I fuck with it, bro. No bullshit. I can't say it enough.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

And one of the things too that really, you know, defines a really good song for me, especially the more I've been growing as an artist, is when the artist can have their verse almost sound like as if it's two additional hooks added to their uh actual hook. So it's like a their hook going into a another hook going into another hook, going in back to the first hook. You know, that's what that song gives me.

SPEAKER_07 30:25

I like uh when I write music, I kind of write in like pockets. Like I like I don't know, I always I have ADHD, so I try like I get bored if it's the same flow. Yeah, you know what I mean? So like every time like I feel like uh my brain gets bored, I like switch to a different pocket in the beat, basically.

SPEAKER_03 30:43

Well there's a lot of artists that kind of switch pockets, but what I'm talking about, the way you're doing it, it's like all three pockets are catchy. Like you you're you're not switching from a pocket that's like catchy to like alright now only I can do this, you know. It's like it's like yeah, you're like it's us. And then you're switching and it's like, wait, wait, it's still us. You still with me. And a lot of times artists will leave the fan behind when they're you know creating and it's just it's not the artist's fault, you know, because artists, you know, they're I like to think their mind is elevated onto a different level, you know. So it's like you can't help it if you're kind of going into you know super lyrical mode and you just like you know, he kind of put it away where he's like you hit that certain pocket and it's just like you take off after that.

SPEAKER_17 31:51

It's like you're no longer in body, you're just like one with the God force, and it's like yeah, you know, there's a spiritual, there's a spiritual level almost when you get into like halfway through your song, bro, and you're just like you know, I always go like this because I'm I'm imagining typing on my phone, like you know, I'm like, oh shit, I'm fucking taking off, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and then it's like a thing where you just feel it come over your body and you're just like, yes, bro, like this is coming out perfectly right now, bro. Like my shit is I'm just writing this out, and then I I can only imagine how much crazier it is for you when you got the melodies like yeah stacking perfectly like that. Cause I would be like, I'd be having hooks and shit where I kind of like you know, I'm a bone thugs fan, so like that's the most you're gonna, you know, I'll be harmonizing and shit. Yeah, yeah. And I'll be like, oh, this is gonna be the shit.

SPEAKER_03 32:37

Speaking of that, you're also really good at like blending your melodies and you know, your vocals, and you know, like just I grew up like uh with Boom Bap and like Bone Thugs and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_07 32:49

So that's a lot of my influence was like hip hop and like lyrical, like conscious hip hop. So like I don't know, that's kind of where it started from. And then once I figured out I could actually sing like that, kind of just took it to the different level to like kind of where it's at now.

SPEAKER_03 33:03

Yeah, but and it's like you're not afraid of your voice. Yeah, a lot of that's a good artists are afraid of their voice.

SPEAKER_07 33:10

Yeah, you know, I used to pitch my vocals down actually, like my first few songs that I have released. There's like uh there's two vocal tracks, and one of them is pitched down like two octaves so that it makes my voice sound lower because like I didn't like how high it was. And like now I like lean way far into that. Yeah, you're embracing it, yeah, yeah. You know, and you can hear that through the music. Like if I was like, what if I love it? I also do a what if I love is you know what I'm saying? So like it sounds crazy in the studio sometimes, and like I'd always have to tell the engineer, like, just trust the process, it'll sound like Mickey Mouse in there or something. He's uh stay with me.

SPEAKER_17 33:45

Yeah, it's us, it's us, it's no, but uh uh fucking icon was the first one when he was recording me that did that. Yeah, yeah. Hey, uh, just you trust me, bro, just let me do this real quick. I'm all right. He went in there. He was doing some, he was like, ooh, ooh, and like he did something. But I was like, what the fuck? But then when he came out and then he did that, he like mixed in and put it, I was like, that shit fire, bro. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_07 34:09

Like my guy uh glitch that you mentioned earlier, he was the first person that really like taught me how to blend stuff over, like when we were recording like that. Like when I seen him record, I was like, wait, what is he doing in there? And then I heard it and I was like, Oh, dude, wait, no, that like it opened up a whole world for like, oh yeah, I understand that now that that high pitch, that really high pitch, and that really low pitch, you need that on when you're harmonizing, you need that together.

SPEAKER_17 34:33

A lot of people don't don't know that. They'll just do three where they're like one octave above each other, like it's like three steps, and they just keep it right here. Yeah, yeah. But you need that really high one and that really low one. And it's not gonna be mixed loudly into it either. It's gonna be perfectly fucking blended. Yeah, yeah. But that high pitch one, yeah, it's key. That's the one, bro. It adds like uh a fucking vibrato to it, bro. Like a like a it adds body to it, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 34:59

It gives it like an outer body experience too, right here. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 35:02

Man, speaking of the Mickey the Mouse voice, uh Charismatic said that I sound like Kermit the Frog when I start saying sometimes. Like, oh my god. And it's good. Like it's so funny to me. Like I like I'll literally have like sometimes like the vocal track will be layered like Kermit, Keeve Kermit.

SPEAKER_17 35:21

No, hey, but that shit works though, bro. It works for you like a motherfucker, right? That's funny though, because it does.

SPEAKER_14 35:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:29

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SPEAKER_07 36:12

Uh man, shout out the whole camp. Shout out Passion Park, Cove Flaw Entertainment. Uh, shout out my dad. He be out here building shit. Uh yeah, but just anybody that's shown support and love throughout this journey. I've been pokey as fuck with dropping music, and I know everybody's been kind of like getting on me about that. So I appreciate everybody that's been getting on my ass about that kind of shit. Cause yeah, I'm a procrastinator.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

But at least you stay in the streets with it, you know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 36:40

I bought more of a catalog than I thought. So yeah.

SPEAKER_07 36:42

Yeah, it's yeah, I forget about songs all the time.

SPEAKER_17 36:45

No, for no both, you you definitely got more of a catalog than I thought. So, you know, when you have that and you hitting the streets, like Italy said, bro, it it it's it's coming together, fam. Like we wouldn't have you on here if we didn't think you was a uh phenomenal uh artist, bro.

SPEAKER_07 36:59

So I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_03 37:01

Um so we're gonna go into small interview portion. Um give us a summary of who you are and what you hope to accomplish through your artistry.

SPEAKER_07 37:11

Um what I hope to accomplish is basically just keeping on building this community that we've been kind of just building so far this past couple years. I feel like it's been going perfect, but like I don't know, it's uh it's a good like safe space for everybody to really just come tee up and be themselves and just yeah, and like not have to worry about bullshit going on and yeah, that's kind of the main goal is to just keep creating a bigger and bigger community that's just safe and just awesome and talented people, like you know. But uh yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

I just that's that's actually really important how you worded that, like just having the building a safe community because you know that's also one of the things that's changed from you know, I guess uh music ten years ago. You know, when you go to a show, you know, like there was that uncertainty of like, all right, if I fucking showcase this, how is the audience gonna respond to it? How are the other artists gonna respond to it? Yeah now it's like you can go to a show, showcase what you got, and even if people aren't like really, really fucking with it, they still be like, man, good job getting up there, fucking doing your thing.

SPEAKER_07 38:29

Like And in the same breath, I'm gonna say the exact opposite. Dog, we need to bring back some of the exclusivity, dog. You can't have a bunch of ass artists because what happens is when people start coming to Milwaukee and they look around and they're like, damn, there's some bullshit going on here. And then they go back to their home state and they go, Yeah, I was in Milwaukee and there's a bunch of bullshit going on there, and they don't see none of the great artists that we just mentioned in this, like, you know what I mean? Like, y'all have been doing this podcast for how long, and you bring up so many great artists that are from the city every single time. Yeah, and like that just kind of gets slept on if we keep just letting everybody do their thing over there. And there should be spaces for it. You should have open mics, you should be able to grow back. Like, that's where I started, you know what I mean? Yeah, and I was ass when I first started. I don't know how to crowd control they're scared as hell.

SPEAKER_17 39:15

Like, that's kind of why we but it's important. We we started with like putting submit at the bottom. Remember, remember we used to do that? We used to put like submissions at all form of for all, whatever. And uh we kind of just like faded that away because we like maybe we shouldn't let even have people submit. We should just pick what we like and what just to keep a uh certain standard of quality, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 39:38

And not what we like, but there's there's a certain like you said, there's a certain standard that you know is I guess universally or like um it almost be like uh I can't think of like a good um analogy for it right now.

SPEAKER_17 39:58

But it's like a McDonald's burger tastes good anywhere you go, bro. Yeah in the fucking world. I I ain't never been outside. But if like I heard it's better.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

So that's actually a better analogy. So if you go to a five-star restaurant, you're expecting five-star restaurant food. If you get a fucking burger that looks like it came from McDonald's or it even closely resembles something that would be served at McDonald's, you're no longer a five-star restaurant. You know what I'm saying? So it's like take that shit back to the kitchen, try again, you know. And it's like, I'm not even gonna taste what it tastes like because it it's not presented right. You know, so it's like that's what we're trying to be in the I guess hip hop and RB and just hometown music podcast realm, you know? So it's like, and like you said, there there should be those different areas for different um levels of the journey. You know what I'm saying? Maybe open mics is like the safest place for like not to have no judgment pass on you, just to kind of work things out. And then the next level up is like maybe like uh yeah, showcases, then the next level up is like festivals, next level up is fucking independent shows, you know.

SPEAKER_17 41:01

Yeah, definitely definitely go for quality over uh quantity, which is which is hard a lot. I'm not gonna lie. It's hard to um to get the promoters and everything to do that, man. Cause they you know everybody's trying to make a quick buck. But real quick before we move on, I super misunderstood the safe comment. I'm thinking, hell yeah, bro, back in the day, bro, you dare be fighting this shit. Yeah, no. No, that's that's what I thought y'all was talking about.

SPEAKER_07 41:26

I was like, like just like I don't know, like because I like just partying and get you know what I'm saying? Like, but like it's uh it's a fine line between like doing that and like like like you said, like people fighting, like crazy shit going on. We try to avoid the fuck out of that.

SPEAKER_17 41:40

Like me personally, me personally, street team and shit. We used to take that shit and like we use that target. Yeah, yeah. Just show up, like, what's up with it? We here, we we rap in or fighting. Yeah, well, we we and then I used to I mean let me chill out. Me personally, I used to be the one like, bro, not tonight, fam. Right, we're here to fucking rap. You know what I'm saying? I had to tell all my guys, hey bro, please. All your homies are like, what the fuck are you talking about, nigga? We're from the wishing nigga woods. We came to fight, nigga. But that's what I thought y'all meant. I just just a side note, bro, because I was over here like it's that too, yeah. No, it's mainly that.

SPEAKER_07 42:14

Like, uh, that's like, yeah, like I don't know, just like, dude, like I've had plenty of my homegirls tell me crazy shit that goes down at so many shows. I'm like, dude, it's like you you can't have that around. Like, so that's more of the safe space that we're creating. Like, we all do our art and no, yeah, that's facts. Well, you had passion park people, all the people involved, they're not there to get fucked with. You know what I'm saying? If you do weird shit, you're done. No, right, no.

SPEAKER_03 42:37

I mean, you make more money if people feel safe going to somewhere they're not they know they're not gonna get into a fight at, you know what I'm saying? And then that's okay. I'm saying you're taking around. I'm telling you, bro, we used to fucking comics.

SPEAKER_17 42:52

I used to hate that shit because to this day, to this day, I got people that'll be like, heck, you know, like not even that they tell me, they'll just treat me like that. Like, hey, bro, I'm like, fam, I haven't been. First of all, I come 90% of the time, I'm by myself now. Yeah, you know, and second of all, bro, I'm way too grown and old to be out here doing that shit. I'll get busy if I had to, but I'm not trying to do that. That's the lie. But you know, we had that that uh reputation for a while, and there'd be a couple times where I'm like, damn, we missed out on some good shit. Cause people like, hey bro, you know, we kind of just didn't want no bullshit. And I'm like, bro, and then it sucks because it was never me. I I was always a motherfucker trying not to do it, and then I just kind of had to get into it.

SPEAKER_07 43:32

No, it happens. Like, I dude, big beat, dude. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_17 43:37

I was about to say Passion Park, Passion Park click. That's the only one fought the last eight years. Nah, but that wasn't uh I seen that whole thing. It was warranted. It wasn't it wasn't uh it wasn't her fault, family. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 43:49

That's what I'm talking about. We really try to avoid it. Yeah, it wasn't her fault. You gotta you gotta push it so far.

SPEAKER_17 43:53

She actually tried to like extend her hand and be like, hey, I'm sorry. Like it was a misunderstanding. Yeah, and old girl just took off. I was like, what the fuck? And then they was trying to hold her back. Then it turned into a wrestler, man. I mean, you know me. See, but that's the problem with me.

SPEAKER_07 44:05

I looked up as a bigger one. They niggas are like Montgomery Bra. It wasn't no wrestling. It was the guy from Violent Femmes. I looked up, me and him are trying to separate it, dude. He's like, what's going on? I'm like, it was me and no, it was me and him trying to separate it. Oh, okay. I was like, bro, he's like a superstar in my. Like, I grew up skateboarding to his music and shit. I'm trying to break up a fight. I just look up his bro, like looking at me, confused. Like, I was like, man, this shit is unreal right now. I just started laughing.

SPEAKER_17 44:30

And this is how you know that I ain't on shit, bro. Because the shit happened, and I was trying to tell everybody, bro, let her go, fam. Everybody leave her alone. She got punched in her face, bro.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_17 44:42

Let her fucking beat her ass back. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because I always got to let her be. And every day, everybody, because really the people trying to stop it made the commotion. Yeah. Oh, well, no. Oh, girls fucking, she rolling under tables trying to get into the big thing. She's jumping up. I'm like, hey man, let her fucking go, nigga.

SPEAKER_03 45:00

Like, real shit, it's it's more dangerous if you hold motherfuckers back than it is if you just let them let it be. She started grabbing two minutes.

SPEAKER_07 45:07

Like, and I was like, that's what I understand. I was like, oh, she's gonna die right now, dog. Like, we're gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

Yeah, usually it'd be like two minutes long. If you just let them fucking do their thing, it's like two minutes. If you're fucking holding them back, then the person who's getting held back is getting swung on by the person who's not getting held.

SPEAKER_17 45:24

You know, it's like you said the exact words I said. I said, bro, let her go. It's gonna be two minutes. Yeah, yeah, and then it's over, fam. Like, you know, but instead, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

Most people ain't got the stamina to fight for life.

SPEAKER_17 45:34

You know, like the Transmanian devil, the clo the cloud, that's what it ended up being. Everybody's like, ah, and they went all the way around the corner, like from right here, all the way half a block around the corner. You said the cloud, that's a perfect fucking. It was it was on what? Oh, yeah. It was. I'm like, bro, everybody jail, bro. And they're like, no, they're probably. Keith walks out the cloud like Bugs Buddy, eating the city.

SPEAKER_06 45:57

I didn't put it down.

SPEAKER_17 45:59

No, but you know, but hey, that shit is very rare now nowadays. It's it's fun. Sometimes I'll be at last shows, and sometimes like people be looking, and I feel I'll be forgetting that we do the pod. Not that I forget, but I'll just be forgetting that people might know me and shit. And they'll be like, looking at me. And then I'm just like, I'm so I'm so in my in my ways from back, man. I'll be like, what's up, nigga? Like, what's happening, fam? And I'll be like, oh, and they'll like they'll walk up, hey bro, you do that pod, that's good shit. I'm like, oh shit, my bad, bro. Like, you know, maybe you should look at that. What happened, fam? You know, but I was like, I'm just trying to chill, bro. No. Shout out to the safe space, though, man.

SPEAKER_03 46:37

It's not facts. Um, next question I got for you. Um what is one of the most important lessons you've learned in life or music journey to this point?

SPEAKER_07 46:49

Um man, not taking things personal. Like sometimes you'll get answers that you don't want and you just gotta either move around them or just do it better. Right. I don't know. That's a that's a big one. People people be really like just too soft to handle this kind of shit. And yeah. It is what it is at the end of the day, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_17 47:08

Yeah, get the fuck out the way, man.

SPEAKER_07 47:10

Right. Yeah. But yeah, it's uh, I don't know, if you want to be successful in like music and stuff like that, that's a that's a huge one because you're just gonna be hurt out here if you're not like just one of those people that's like, alright, revamp then, you know what I mean? Like, but yeah, um that a lot of people don't know how to construct the criticism.

SPEAKER_03 47:29

Yeah, you know, like and that's why it's called constructive criticism because you you as the builder of something have to know how to take that criticism and construct something better out of it. You know, and a lot of people, like you said, they don't they take shit too personal and then it's like now they got fucking they're commenting on people's status because fucking haters and shit bitches, you know, like and it's like they won't drop some shit, or you know, like they're just you know, you can't say nothing to them, so it's like now you don't even fucking want to work with them because yeah, I mean you can't tell them what they're doing wrong, so you're just like, hey, show me if you know that shit is intolerable, bro.

SPEAKER_07 48:12

That's the only word I can think of. Yeah, you gotta be teachable. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_17 48:15

Exactly, exactly. I'm I'm fucking 38 years old. I hate that I just said that out loud, but I'm 38 years old, bro. And to this day, if you got something you could show me, teach me, I'm willing to learn to be better, bro. You know what I mean? Because I'm 38, but I feel young, I feel like I don't know shit still, you know what I mean? And I didn't think I I thought I knew more shit when I was younger than I do now. Yeah, you know what I mean? But as far as music goes, I I come from not come from, but I I'm one of those people that it was very far and few in between that like somebody was like, Oh, yeah, you could work on this. I'm at the point where I'm like, bro, somebody please. Like I there has to be something I could be fucking better at, fam. You know what I'm saying? Like, fuck all that nice shit, fuck all the bullshit. You know, I I remember one time I did a review and I told I said it, I said it on here before, but dog call my shit booty hole, right? This shit booty hole. And I was like, and he was like from Georgia, like I like to submit it online, you know what I'm saying? I I cashed out to uh get skipped in line, you know what I mean to get put up. And I played my hardest shit. I played way up and hoo. And he shitted on way up so hard, bro.

SPEAKER_03 49:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_17 49:22

And then like for a split second, I was like kind of kind of hurt about it. Like, damn, that's like that's like one of my baby my favorite songs, like my best favorite, you know what I'm saying? And right after that, I was like, you know what? Hell yeah, bro. Thank you. You the first person in forever that's like, hey man, this shit trash. I was like, thank you, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? But I did have to go do like a uh what's that shit called? When you uh get a bunch of people together and then you fucking show it's like a controlled fucking yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like a controlled census or yeah, something like that. And I was like, and then you know, I got good reviews on it and shit. And I'm like, okay, so dog was tripping, but it felt good for somebody to just be like, hey man, that shit booty hog.

SPEAKER_07 50:05

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_17 50:06

Like, because bro, like I said, you gotta take that, like you said, like that shit fucks the game up, bro. Yeah, it fucks the game up, and that's why we are where we are now. I seen somebody say, uh, oh, they fucked the uh it's crazy that they we watched like young motherfuckers ruin the genre or something, like destroy rap and shit. And somebody went on and was like, Well, all of our parents said that. Everybody's parents said that they didn't like our music. And I was like, Well, there's a difference between they didn't like our new music as opposed to we're in a weird space right now where our parents didn't have hip hop, we had hip hop, and then our kids have hip hop just differently, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like my mom listened to Silasign and fucking Spanish shit, and then we listen to rap and pop and shit. You know what I'm saying? That's way different from me. I listen to rap and pop and my kids listen to rap and pop, you know what I'm saying? So it's like but it's a different style, you know what I mean? But we we have gotten to a point where the fact that you can't tell anybody to be better shows in mainstream. Yeah. And that's a fact. It shows, everybody can see it.

SPEAKER_07 51:11

There's a lot of like, from what I've heard, like, because I've chopped it up with people that kind of like navigated through the industry and like they always are like, man, like it's a lot of just like nepotism and like just the industry itself is like very like artificially created.

SPEAKER_17 51:29

Yeah, yeah, it is, it's very much pay or uh like if you got the money, you can be famous or you can be, you know. And the nepotism thing is crazy because we're also living in a new world where it's like more than a lot of people come from parents who did what they do, you know what I mean? Yeah, like even actors and shit. Like there's a fucking movie coming out or maybe it already dropped, but it's uh something Eastwood, I forgot his name, but it's Clint Eastwood's kid and Tom Hanks' kid together in a movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 52:01

And it's like that's pretty much that's pretty much just handed, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 52:05

I mean they're they're still good at it, but it's like, but it's like, bro, this was yeah, this was still, you know, the path was very clear for you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 52:12

And we live in a world of time and age where a lot of that shit is And it's it's easier from like even if you think about it from a booking perspective. Like when you're on the other end of that, it's way easier to go grab Tom Hanks' kid that you already worked with, Tom Hanks, and you got the contact or to go scout some new talent, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_17 52:29

Like that shit fucks me out.

SPEAKER_03 52:32

I was like, I never thought about that.

SPEAKER_07 52:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

No, you are you already know I thought about it a little bit, but not kind of in depth, you know, because I I thought about it with like Will Smith and his son, you know, how he his son's in like that, he's got some space movie or some shit like that where and it was decent too.

SPEAKER_17 52:48

Yeah, uh, or he got the karate kid. Yep, you know, he was on pursuit of happiness with Will Smith.

SPEAKER_07 52:53

Yeah, I mean you know you see something from like start like beginning of your life, like you know what I'm saying? Like he's been on sets and stuff, he understands like how the production works, it's a lot easier to learn how to act than from that point when you've seen artists, especially for Jaden. The background workings of it.

SPEAKER_17 53:09

Jaden's mom and dad is actors, you know what I'm saying? Like, so you come from come on, bro, set it off. Dude fake as hell. No, I feel you though, with with the with the artificial, you know, because it's like everything's kind of just stays in its realm, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, a lot of the breakthroughs isn't, you know, we we came from in the 90s where a lot of people were just brand new, they went through the struggles, you know, late 80s, early 90s. Like Will Smith didn't come from nothing, he just like blew up and made his own way, you know what I mean? And then now, like he said, it's more of a we're up here with it and we're just gonna keep it up here. It's really hard for new shit to come and uh break through. Not really hard, but it's just a lot less than we used to.

SPEAKER_07 53:53

It's crazy how it's like we're in the age of like it's the easiest it's ever been to push music, but it's also the most saturated, and like it's the hardest it's ever been to break through like everything that's to break through the noise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_17 54:06

Yeah, but also you gotta be willing to do bullshit. Yeah, yeah. Like, like you said, the music is so saturated now that you gotta do other shit to compliment the fact that you're a musician. Like you're not just a rapper and shit anymore. You're like, oh, this rapper fucking caught a murder case and beat it, and now oh, now he has something different that he's bringing to the table. Or like this rapper's popping ass, and you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? This nigga twerking on some bro. By the way, real quick, sorry side note, just thought about it. This nigga, Steve the Stoner, bro, is on a whole nother level, bro.

SPEAKER_06 54:42

Shout out to his grandma.

SPEAKER_17 54:43

Shout out to his grandma, bro. Bro, this nigga went onto Summerfest stage with a fucking front, like I don't even know what the fuck it's called, bro. Like he front flipped and backflipped.

SPEAKER_07 54:53

No, that shit was acrobatic as fuck. I'm not gonna lie. I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_17 54:57

Nigga, I gotta find out. He did a front flip. I can't even move. He immediately didn't. He he came on stage like this. Yeah, flip, turn around, and backflip, and then really whack shit.

SPEAKER_03 55:08

So wait, he did a cartwheel and then did a backflip. Yeah, he like did like a round off into the floor. Okay, I just had to fucking distinguish that because a front flip, then a backflip is crazy at his size, but you know, at a fucking cartwheel, and then a backflip. Yeah, the backflip alone for somebody his size is crazy work, you know.

SPEAKER_17 55:26

And he really did that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_03 55:28

It was one of them. I don't even think I can do a fucking backflip, but I can squat fucking 405.

SPEAKER_17 55:33

You know, so it's like get your legs up, fam. Look at that.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

No, the legs is up. That's the problem. The legs way too much right now. Can't lift these motherfuckers over my head and shit.

SPEAKER_17 55:44

Damn, man. I don't know if I'm gonna find it, bro. That shit fucked me up, bro. Look at this nigga, bro. I can't take that. Nah, I'm not gonna be able to find it right now. Damn, I was supposed to save it, bro. That shit was crazy, bro. I said, get the fuck out of here, bro. Like, he literally just like he started the whole shit with his hands like this. And did the backflip and just started performing. And then and then he killed the performance. Now I'm not taking nothing away from you, I'm not taking shit from the backflip, nigga. You snap. I'm just saying, fucking crazy, bro. Yeah, it's just a uh kind of just shows what I'm talking about, bro. You gotta add a lot of extra shit to to push through the bullshit, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 56:28

Yeah. Um, next last question I got for you. Um, how can the all four one for all podcast audience find your content?

SPEAKER_07 56:36

Uh Kieve tunes, um, pretty much all the social media stuff. Uh Instagram, TikTok, the norms. Um then, yeah, just K-E-A-V, all capitals for all the music platforms, Spotify, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 56:51

Let's go. Let's go. All right, so um, we're gonna roll into this next section, uh, the MKE Music Selects. We call it something Hometown Picks, bro.

SPEAKER_17 57:02

Hometown picks. There we go. All right, we we're working that out. This time next year, we'll have to figure it out.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

Let me change this in my notes. Hometown picks. Hometown picks. That's why I have to say that.

SPEAKER_17 57:12

And he never called it the MKE Music Select ever, bro. This is the first time he just came up with that, bro.

SPEAKER_03 57:19

Well, I I always have it marked in here as MKE music.

SPEAKER_17 57:23

Oh, and then you just pick whatever after type shit. Yeah, I got you. All right, man. We're gonna jump into Hometown Picks, yeah. We're gonna jump into the hometown picks. Uh the first one is Illy's favorite from the uh, not favorite, but one that he found last night that he really likes the artist. Her name's Slits. I hope I'm saying that right, right. Slits.

SPEAKER_07 57:42

Shout out my dog Slits.

SPEAKER_17 57:43

Uh, this is Save Me featuring Blue Jacket, produced by intraweb producer. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

In my opinion, she uh she had the best set of the night, you know, as far like the music that she offered, the way the crowd was interacting with her. Aside from Kiev, like he fucking tore that shit down. But like, you know, she was the person that shocked me, like, just came out left. I didn't even know she was performing. Like, she did not look like somebody who was like shit. She just looked like somebody who was there to watch somebody else perform. Yeah, you know, she was all fitted out, and then she fucking just hopped on stage and killed the shit.

SPEAKER_17 58:16

Yeah, no, shout out to her because I was outside when she came and announced, like, I'm one more song and I'm going on. I'm shit faced. I was like, damn. And I was like, oh shit. And in my mind, I'm like, this ain't gonna go well. And then I went in there when she was performing and she killed that shit. Yeah. Shout out to Slits, man. This is called Save Me. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:23

Now, she didn't perform this song last night. The shit she performed last night was it was newer stuff, so it was a little bit of growth from this, but I at least wanted y'all to see, like, you know, the audience to see what she looks like, and you know, just to see what she has to offer.

SPEAKER_17 1:00:39

I mean, again, bro, again, this is the type of shit I said, bro. Like, you don't think that Milwaukee has shit like this to offer, bro. Come on, bro. Yeah. Also, blue jacket, you can never have not a blue jacket on ever again. No, I've seen your name and then I seen the video. I'm like, nah, you always gotta have a blue jacket on. Nah, but uh, shout out to uh to that, bro. I I I do I rock with just the fact, like I said, bro, that we have that to offer, bro. Yeah, yeah. The city is not one, and I used to think like that. Like, oh, it's only rap and rock. They got like rock bands. Yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_07 1:01:13

Hey, shout out to our rock scene, though, like our punk and like yeah, that whole like metal scene is crazy. It's actually really deep, fam.

SPEAKER_17 1:01:21

Yeah, and they have shows just like we have shows. Not for sure. Like they go, they go crazy, bro. So uh just shout out to the city, bro. This is the all four one four all, bro. That's what we do it for. All right, man. This next one. Hold on. We're having technical difficulties today, bro. Because what the fuck is going on with my mouse, bro? Oh my god. There it goes. All right. This next one is uh Jesus. Shout out to the boy Jesus. Yeah, this is called Gremlins. This is a week old, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:50

Me and him got yelled at last time we were here. Uh I yelled at y'all.

SPEAKER_17 1:01:55

I yell at y'all. And I cut it out, bro. You didn't even have to say that, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:59

No, but yeah, I was like, you should leave it in. It'd probably fucking get more views and chop it into a real.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:06

Me and him had to like generationally lock in after that, dog. That was so funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:13

Hey, you're being too loud, bro. Shut it down.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:16

Oh, I said, hey, I can hear y'all, bro. We were like bad little kids with a bottle of alcohol. I just uh but yeah.

SPEAKER_17 1:02:23

This is Jesus, bro. Gremlins. Let's go, Jesus.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:36

The Milwaukee music scene has been expanding, and we've heard much more about it lately. But there's still a question that we really need to find an answer to.

SPEAKER_15 1:02:44

Who really is moving too fast and head to slow it up? It should be moving too fast, you had to slow it up. Hey, I'm hard-headed like a Pokemon. I need a pizza.

SPEAKER_17 1:04:21

Yeah, be hard, bro. Shout out to 808 jack. Yeah, dog. Let me say ahead of his time. He wild, bro. He wild. Hey, that shit, uh, that shit hard. Shout out to Jesus, bro. Get in.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:36

He always snaps. He uh that's one of the most lyrical rappers I feel like we got. Like, and he be clowning, and you be like, oh, three fingers in her ass. I feel like Devin Booker, but then he'll spit like the craziest verse ever after that. He's like, Yeah, facts. He's got both sides for sure.

SPEAKER_17 1:04:50

No, yeah, because this is one of those where he's just talking shit. Yeah. Yeah. He's keeping that really low, you know. Yeah. So yeah, because I was about to say, because Jesus definitely be rapping his ass off.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:59

He's always got like one like life like gem bar in there. You know what I mean? Even if he's spitting crazy and like not like trying to stick three fingers in her butt.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:10

Life is really hard lately. Yeah. Look at that. Like some weird ass shit, and then fucking. But here's some real shit.

SPEAKER_17 1:05:19

Fucking insanity, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_17 1:05:22

Alright, man. My pick is this on this might not even be a whole song, but I've been seeing her doing a lot of shows lately. She's out here doing plenty shows and whatever, whatnot. But uh I found this and I was like, she actually kind of rapping, bro. Cause I feel like the first couple times I seen her, I was like, eh. But then I seen this and I'm like, she actually kind of trying to rap rap type shit. So not rap, rap, but you know what I mean? Let but let's see Blue Monroe. It says price tag rude. I'm not sure if that's the name of the song or not, but we're gonna check it out. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:57

Big bag talk, make them soon when I move up.

SPEAKER_17 1:06:55

Like she was trying to do that. I was like, okay, really trying to and it was different. It was different. It's just a little off the beat to me. Like, you know, but maybe obviously she tried to do it like that. You know, but it it was it was good, bro, when I seen it.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:10

Yeah, it's neat. She's been consistent as hell since I've seen her too. Like, I think I saw her for the first time like a year ago or so. And yeah, she's been like very just consistent, like steady drops, been plenty shows. So yeah. And it's cool.

SPEAKER_17 1:07:25

Shout out to Blue Monroe, man. Uh, we're gonna have you uh or it was good to have a song finally, because I seen her for a minute, so and that was the first time I saw I seen that, like, oh she was kind of trying to rap her ass off the show. I'm like, okay, cool. Yeah, but uh shout out to her, man. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:41

And what surprised me at the uh Bar Fest was um how many ladies there was. Yeah, like really cold ladies on stage.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:49

Yeah, right now Milwaukee is like very saturated with just incredible talent when it comes to just like girl rappers, singers, like man, like yeah, we got a crazy motion right now. Shout out Daisy Dukes, dude. Do you guys see her shit? Yeah, what the fuck? She's spaz. I've seen her live a bunch, but that was one of the things. Yeah, that shit turned.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:15

Next time, respect my microphone.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:18

Facts, facts.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:19

Okay, go outside, throw up with the cordless mic. Leave the cordless mic inside. I mean, if you like throw up, you're not thinking about none of that shit, right now. And then everybody gotta rap with the cordless mic after she done threw up, and now she's like I didn't even notice.

SPEAKER_17 1:08:36

Oh, yeah, no. I was outside. That's where the respect comes in. I'll tell you right now, if I start throwing up, it's a rap. Yeah, she went out there and threw up, and then I was like, oh shit, she throwing up. And then I like turned, I said something to somebody, I look back, she backed up. No, she had that shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:55

He was like, Yeah, she fucking went outside and fucking threw up. I'm like, nigga, that's my microphone.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:01

Like, man, so I gotta do something.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:04

I gotta disinfect the whole mic and nigga, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:07

Nah, but uh no, she's super talented though. Shout out to them.

SPEAKER_17 1:09:12

Uh I never forgive you. You know the microphone. Shout out to uh Shamar the Queen. Uh always goes always go crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:21

My dad's a huge fan.

SPEAKER_17 1:09:22

And she really she really be rapping. Like she don't she don't do like the twerk. She had in the real yeah. Not that there's nothing wrong, super wrong with that, but you know, she just don't do it. And then uh shout out to Serene. That was the one that surprised me. Yeah, yeah. I think she was the first one to go live singing last night. Yeah, uh, I fucking loved it, you know. And she's funny as hell. She walked up on me and like said some funny shit about my shoes and shit. And I was like, I'll get your ass. You know, since she's a head ass. I'm like, I said, what are those? I'm gonna have a body slab right. Nah, I'm talking shit. No, but she did. She was like, Oh, I like your shoes. Those uh, what'd she say? Those oils or slip free or something, head ass.

unknown 1:09:58

I was like, get your ass.

SPEAKER_17 1:10:00

But you know, and I didn't even know she was performing. I thought she was. Are those the McDonald's slip resistance? You know what I'm saying? But I thought she was gonna say that, and then you know, just or I thought she was just saying that, just clowning. And then I went in there like 10 minutes later and she was up there singing. Yeah, and uh at first I thought she wasn't uh she wasn't gonna get into it because she was like looking at her friends and like laughing, like she was kind of like nervous or something. Yeah, and then she just got into it, and I was like, oh, you snap. So shout out to Sarah Nay. No, she's she's good. Yep, shout out to her, Shimeira the Queen. Those were my my two standouts for the females and shit. And then uh, you know, just shout out to Barfest, bro. BZ had that bitch lit, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:36

Shout out, BZ. Um, and uh Raspberry man, we need some music, bro. Yeah, yeah. And the homegirl that was with Raspberry, uh she was Stand Tress, and yeah, yeah, she's really good too.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:49

She can sing too. She she be rapping rapping, but like she can low-key sing. Like oh, well, what the fuck then?

SPEAKER_17 1:10:54

Yeah, we need that. We need them, we need them type of hits.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:57

I was telling Heck last night, I need her for my uh Red Alert Twerk video. She was going crazy last night. I was like, we gotta get her in the video, bro. Um, all right, let's move into real talk.

SPEAKER_17 1:11:10

Real talk, let's go. This is the first one. Let me see. I'ma go this one. No, I'm gonna go this one first. The headline is What does our entertainment encourage us to think, feel, or do? Start that over so it starts.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:30

Okay, who's your artist?

SPEAKER_17 1:11:31

EBK.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:32

EBK. Now, what's the song then?

SPEAKER_13 1:11:36

Wonder World.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:37

Okay, and what is the lyrics? Just break them down real slow for me.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:41

Longly the thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:43

Wait, hold on, you gotta slow down, you gotta say it loud. One more time. Long as the long as you thought. Okay.

unknown 1:11:50

I'm the one you live through.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:52

I'm the one you living through. What else? Okay, what does that mean? Mm-hmm. What else is the song about? Yeah, yeah, you closing out yourself without no good. What else is in the song? What else they're talking about? You know? So you love the song, but you only know two lines, what does mean, but you really don't know, or you're just a little shy right now because you got a little pressure on you. Does anybody know this song that he's talking about? What are they talking about? What are they saying in the song? You if you sing the song over and over, what does it mean? What is he talking about? That's what you say, that's what you love. But if we had to sit down and say, I'll give you a million dollars, if I could pull out a message, some of y'all would be broke right now. As you think about the songs that we're talking about, I want you to ask you this question, right? What does your favorite hip hop entertainment encourage you to think, feel, or do? Okay, who's your artist?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:56

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_17 1:12:58

That's a super dope class, yeah. Yeah, facts. Yeah. Uh Keith, what you think, bro?

SPEAKER_07 1:13:04

Man, I've uh I was saying that about the the ice cream song before. Um that's a big thing for me. I'd try to be really careful about like what I'm portraying with my music because like I don't know, like I like I said, I couldn't show that shit to my grandma. So I was like, man, what do I look like going up onto a big stage and like having this be like my impression to a whole entire crowd of people that have never seen me before? You know what I mean? And like, yeah, it's uh I've been leaning way more into love songs because of that, because it's like more just a wholesome positive message that I can convey. But yeah, that's uh it's kind of crazy how much like like I don't know, like he said, like it's like oh yeah, I don't know, like I don't know what they're talking about necessarily. Like you don't even want to spit it back because you like you don't support that in your soul, you know what I mean? But then like you're almost like mantra, like like repeating it over and over again when you're listening to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:57

Well, and he you know, she even put the pressure on him, like, all right, do you really not know, or is it because you're ashamed to fucking tell me? And he's like the second one, yeah. Like he gets so he knows he's ashamed of it, you know. So it's like yeah.

SPEAKER_17 1:14:12

Well, so this is this is a really good fucking topic for me, bro, because I preach this shit all the time, fam. Uh I feel like there was a point in time where I did do that, but never I've never been the type to talk about just killing and all that, because I've never fucking killed nobody, you know what I'm saying? Uh I've been around people that have unfortunately shit happened to them, or I've been around people that did shit like that, but that's not shit that I ever personally done. So if you you go through my whole catalog and you can re you'll realize that I've never said, you know, I'm a killer, I kill people, or I do this, and I sell cocaine and heroin or none of that shit. I don't I don't talk about shit that I don't necessarily be about. Uh there is some shit that I I have been about that I changed up. For instance, last week's episode, I rapped, and when I rapped, it was a song about like bitches, and uh, you know, I be fucking bitches, these bitches are whores and all, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, and I have been on that. I've but I've done that, I've been that, I've felt that, you know what I'm saying? But I don't necessarily feel that way anymore. Uh I don't feel a way about doing it because I have actually lived that and I know there's a part of me where I feel certain ways about it. But would I want my daughter to hear that song? Would I want her to watch the pod and be like, this is my dad rapping about, you know? Yeah, no, not necessarily, but I can put that into perspective. I I'm never gonna be like dog. You could have asked me any time in my rap career and my rap life, well, what does those lyrics mean? And I'm gonna break it down like, oh, it means this. This is how we live and this is how shit get, you know. But that nigga said, Oh, there's fucking kids on the block. We don't give a fuck. Like that's crazy. That's some devilish shit, right? You know, and I think that's a uh two-hour-long conversation we could have. That I always say that, like, we could we could have eight fucking episodes about this, but there is a push for that to be that. Yeah, they want hip hop and rap to be violent and dumbed down, and you know, it's it's worldly music, you know. Not not to beat jump into any relish, religious shit, but you know, it's unfortunately the most like marketable too.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:14

Cause like, I don't know, I like can't lie. Like, there's plenty of songs that are about crazy ass shit that I wouldn't condone that are just like it's a great vibe. It's a great vibe, and you know what it is, though? You know what it is, though, bro?

SPEAKER_17 1:16:24

Is that um it it's uh it's almost like uh damn, I'm trying to say it the right way. It's almost like adding a seasoning to something you're eating. Like, if you add this one seasoning, it's gonna, it's not necessarily good for you, it's gonna taste hella better. You know what I'm saying? And that's some shit they did. They turned up the storytelling red dye forty. So just now we're just faking it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's the music, red dive 40. Yeah, Sason got red fucking 40 in it. So it's like, bro, you know, it's like it tastes better, you can ingest it fucking way faster and more because it tastes so good, but nigga is killing you, you know what I'm saying? And that's what they did. They turned up, you know, it went, you know, NWA. They be trying to be like, well, NWA was gangster rap, and they fucked the whole game up. I'm like, well, actually, if you listen to what they were talking about, they were talking about things that were happening in their environment. To now, kids are talking about shit they're bringing into their environment. Like, I want this to be true about me. Yeah, I'm not a good enough artist, rapper, person in this place I live in, unless I talk about these fucked up, horrible atrocities that are being committed against me and my people. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, that and then that little tweak that they made was purposely. Again, I've said this all the time. It's just a purposeful thing, you know what I mean? But I love this fucking clip. Whoever that that teacher is, shout out to her. It looks like it says Miss Mariana 365. Uh, I fucking love that class. That's that's super dope. I like when you push them to think about that, you know. But unfortunately, back in the day growing up, we didn't have anybody that really had shit, bro. You know, we didn't, like, at least I didn't. I can't speak for everybody, but I didn't have people that heck, don't do this, and then I look up and they're doing well. You know what I'm saying? It was always like, hey, don't do this, don't do this. And nigga, you ain't got shit. Why the fuck would I listen to you, bro? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so now we got a bunch of fucking people who make money and look like they're doing really well talking about bullshit, talking about fucking evil, bullshit, doing dumb shit. And kids are like, that shit looks like it works, bro. You know what I mean? And I tell people all the time that's probably the biggest factor in why hip hop is so fucked up, because it looks good, bro. Hey, bro, if I I could be as ignorant as I want, I could be a killer, I could be a dope dealer, I could be fucking fucking bitches all day and doing whatever I want. And then you look up to the people who are talking about it, these niggas got Bentleys and chains, and you know, yeah, you know what I mean? The lifestyle is there, so you're like, oh, I can follow that. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, that's how I feel about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:55

So there's a song that I got. Um, you know, it's I would say it's my edgiest song. You know, I've I've even like, you know, I had a homie who was like trying to do some type of like uh investment or management and stuff like that. And he was like, um, you know, you almost lost me with this song until I'm like really listening to it. And this the song's called Killer Be Killed, and it's like a drill style track, you know, and you know, because I'm on the same boat as him. Like, I don't rap about being a killer, you know. The closest I come to like killer lyrics is like I will mentally destroy you, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'll kill you on a beat for sure. You know, that's the closest I come to like I'll kill, you know. Yeah, but um, you know, this track has you know, it's killer be killed, you know, and that's how I live my life, you know, and that's you know it's it's only a like facing a truth, you know. Like at the end of the day, I know that it's you versus me. And if I have to choose, I'm I'm gonna choose me. Yeah, like just like you would choose you, right? You know, like and the song's basically about that, you know. Like if you're going through some shit or somebody's like putting pressure on your family and shit like that, like what is a man supposed to do? You know, a man has to protect, you know, and what comes, what are the consequences of that, you know? Kill or be killed, you know, at the end of the day. And um, you know, but then when you get to like he was saying, you get to songs like these where like they're just you know rapping about shit that might not even necessarily be true for their lives right now, but it's how they want to be seen by the audience, and like they're they're inviting and glorifying something that they know is like wrong, you know. At the end of the day, it's not uh progressing the culture, it's not progressing the people that's around them.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:51

It's almost like how crude can you make the statement to catch people's attention? Yeah, like you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_17 1:20:57

Like that that brings, like I said, it brings the profit.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:01

Yeah, and then like he was saying too, uh part of the reason why it's so catchy um is the frequency that the music's recorded in, you know, like that shit's real, you know, different frequencies that you know, you get darker tones and lighter tones and the 808s but you know, like yeah, yeah, you know, all those frequencies play on our vibrations and you know, because we're you know, we vibrate at circum certain frequencies and our you know um penal gland and all that shit, you know. Like when you get into this conspiracy of all of it, there's a lot of truth to a lot of conspiracies and shit, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:37

So a lot of that makes a lot of sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:39

You know, so and that's why, you know, like a lot of people gravitate to it, especially anybody who's already in a state of depression and in a state of survival mode. You know, it's it's easy fucking to catch that fish with it.

SPEAKER_17 1:21:54

You know, we we could come up with that with that right now just off of just talking about it. Imagine a motherfucker who's like, how can I make millions and millions of dollars and control a bunch of people around me or around the situation? And you get modern-day hip hop, fam. Yeah, I said it.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:13

This is where we're at, fam. Yeah. All right, man. All right, let's run to this next real talk.

SPEAKER_17 1:22:18

This next real talk, man. This is the one right here. And this is I'm excited about this one too, because fuck yeah. This is uh a good topic right here.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:26

Said people go according to skill who's really he sold 10 million records. And I go, does that make him dope? Because Vanilla I sold 10 million records, right? And I keep saying that to people. There's a lot of people that sold 10 million records that are not dope. But then Jimi Hendrix never sold 10 million records. Does that mean he's not dope? Do you understand?

SPEAKER_07 1:22:44

Like, that's so real.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:45

Dope has to come back. What makes you dope? What how good are you? Not they have taken this generation again, like I said, they're so caught up in pumping their heads full of like this idea of gambling and this whole hype of who has the most this and the most that and the greatest this and the greatest that and the most sales and the most sales. They never put out records thinking, oh, we're gonna go platinum, right? That's not what we put out records doing. I remember dropping records and was, oh, we sold 36,000 the first week. And I was like, oh, okay, but everybody in Brooklyn don't know I'm single, so we gotta work on singles. Never even cared. And these are records that went on to sell millions of records. All I cared about was making dope artists. Like when I when we put together Ladies' Night, it wasn't about sales. It was about uniting females on a rap record and making the dopest rap record. I never thought about the sales. Nah, it sold 80,000 singles a week, and when Atlanta called me and said, We're selling 80,000 singles a week, I said, we should do a remix that includes men. Right? I didn't think of 80,000 singles a week. I thought, how can we make this doper? Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:40

I said, people go according to Real quick before anybody tries to kick this one off, I'm gonna start this one. I feel like that's what you offered last night, bro. You know, like seeing your performance, you didn't care what the um I guess the trendy music was. And, you know, because there were artists there last night doing the trendy Milwaukee music, and you know, what's what do they think's gonna slap the hardest, and you know, and that's all well and good. You know, every artist has their lane, but like seeing the way you commanded the stage and just uh utilized your artistry, it was dope to see that you're just you were focused on having music that uh sounds good, you enjoy creating, and the crowd enjoys receiving. Yeah, you know, and you know, like I said, you you you were the perfect example of what he's talking about.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:40

You embodied that for sure. Yeah. So you good? Yeah, okay, I just want to make sure. All right, so this this topic is big for me, bro, because I just did a status the other day. This was June 25th, so it wasn't that long ago. And uh it was this clip. I'm just gonna play this clip just to kind of get context. Yeah. But this shit killed.

SPEAKER_12 1:24:57

Debate about Drake and Kendrick, who's the better writer? Oh, this is right up my alley. Oh, we breaking down bars.

SPEAKER_16 1:25:03

Who else really trying to mess with Hollywood Cole? I'm with Marley Gito treating Birmingham just like my Hollywood shows. I'm trying to tell you something that you probably should know. This that slum dog millionaire, Bollywood flow, and ah.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:17

I gotta warn you, this is back when Drake was really Drake. This is before Drake was like the uh mob ties Drake. This is the uh no.

SPEAKER_17 1:25:25

Pre-mobtized Drake is crazy.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:27

Hand going like this, Drake.

SPEAKER_16 1:25:28

Down the road. We hit the strip club and all them girls find the pole. Okay. So I say uh that's that's when I say I live fast, die young, never take it slow. Like, how do you fuck up one of your most famous verses ever, bro?

SPEAKER_12 1:25:43

Let's not I don't.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:45

But then look. Young nigga hopping out busting like four charters, popping pills, mix the gal and the sherman some holy water.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:51

First of all, he hopped out busting like four charters. Y'all goes, and let's not even talk about the fact that he's storytelling multi-syllabic rhyming. The intensity in which the flow and the delivery.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:03

Mix a gal and the sherman some holy water, sell it to a priest. He probably can get it off by tomorrow.

SPEAKER_12 1:26:16

Fantasy you can fathom.

SPEAKER_17 1:26:18

Okay, so but I what I want to say about that is that plays to what the first reel was. Yeah. Like, we're talking about popularity and how much you sold compared to, and I hate this narrative because Kendrick has sold almost not as much, but he's not a weak ass, non-selling ass artist. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so it's just the perfect example. And I wrote, I understand this is an example, one example, so that you know, I'm across the board with Drake like this. It doesn't mean I don't like the music, it's the fact that the writing, whether it be the most by the actual portion person or writers, is more advanced and deeper in thought. I don't understand why that's a problem, but y'all make it one. Rappers versus MC is all I'm saying. What and then the comment right here. Shout out to Titus Terrell, bro, to uh Trey G is his name. He said, if this was 1999, that would matter. I think that's the part people miss comparing writership from two different styles, whatever. They don't even make close to the same music, so why compare? Exactly. Leave it at that. It makes no sense, but the thing that does make sense is the outcome from those very two different rhyme styles, both success, but one far greater than the other. You know what I'm saying? You're putting success and numbers and metrics above the fact that, bro, you're you're missing the whole point. Yes, they rap differently, and that's just an excuse, if you ask me, because he was rapping. You're rapping, you're fucking rapping, fam. So we're we're one person's up here with the deep thought, the fucking the uh like the damn, I can't I'm fucking drawing a blank on the word.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:51

Triple entendre.

SPEAKER_17 1:27:52

Yeah, like like just the depth of how how you're putting your words together and the thought of it, fam. And that's talent, that's skill, bro. That's the Dope, fam. Like, that's what we used to call dope back in the day. Kids don't even know what that shit means no more. Dope. That's dope. That's the shit, fam. Like, and when you put the numbers, it kind of takes away from the dopeness of a motherfucker who don't really give a fuck about the numbers, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. Far greater as wild, by the way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:17

Trey James. And then one of the examples that to start off saying if it was 1999, that was matter. And then to say all the shit that he said after that. But these two artists are rapping in two completely different ways in the same time era. Same time era. You know what I'm saying? Like, so it's it's not like Kendrick was fucking five to ten years before Drake. Like, these motherfuckers are scaling at the same time.

SPEAKER_17 1:28:48

Oh, Drake wasn't a year or two before Kendrick.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:50

Well, that's not even that long, though. No, no, no. That's like a fucking thing. I'm just saying that it was of hanging out with an eight-year-old.

SPEAKER_17 1:28:56

Like, there this is on basic fact saying that. No, I'm just saying if we're talking about who came first, Drake was actually the more successful one first.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:02

Yeah, like I mean, yeah, and if you're talking about like he's marketed like to a whole different platform than Kendrick. Yeah, everything's like an actor, he's on the grassy, you know what I'm saying? Like people know him from 20 different things than hip-hop. Like Kendrick was known from hip-hop and that from hip-hop, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_17 1:29:21

Like, that's a good point. That's a really good point. Yeah, you know, but but to the to the topic of sales versus talent, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like bro, we definitely have to get back to that. Like, there's no there's no point in uh being successful if you're not the best at what you do, period.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:41

Give me four years, I'm going versus with Drake.

SPEAKER_17 1:29:44

Thanks. Let's go. Y'all heard not the first.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:47

I'll be dude ass now.

SPEAKER_17 1:29:49

No, but you know, but like I said, that was just an example, and it just it was like the perfect. I was like, man, I just made a status about something like this, bro. Like, yeah, and then it really pissed me off that he fucked up one of his most favorite verses, and it's not complicated. Yeah, Hollywood dogs. He was like, I fucked up. Like, what nigga? You think the slowest verse ever.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going slow. You have enough time to think about the fucking lyrics.

SPEAKER_17 1:30:12

Well, when you don't write it, you know, and I don't think he did low key, but you know, you still fucked it up. And that's one of two because he has another one when he was on uh flex. Uh okay, uh, okay, uh, yeah, oh flex, you gonna do this to me? Uh uh, and he does that shit for like fucking five minutes, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:27

Yeah, it's the funniest thing ever, dude. He never rapped. He never rapped, right? He never rapped.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:32

You know, but again, that this is that the one where he's like, uh uh, let me get a different B thing and then the BJ's and then he's like Tim Westwood or something.

SPEAKER_17 1:30:39

Oh, it was Flex. It was Flex. Yeah, because he was like, ah, Flex, that's how you feel. That's how you feel. Like, if you don't fucking start rapping, fam, like, you know, but but again, this it's not a Drake versus Kendrick thing, it just so happened that I shared this a couple days ago. Yeah, but it's like, bro, the talent versus the sales does not matter to me. I hate that hip hop has become that. Oh, well, he sold this much. I don't give a fuck, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's when people be saying that about Eminem. I don't care how many fucking albums Eminem sold. He's just cold to me, bro. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I don't give a fuck if he had one of the highest selling fucking albums, this and that. And I don't care, but none of that shit matters to me, fam. I care about there was a point in time where Eminem was one of the greatest rappers ever, fam. Yeah, you know, and I'm not saying that he is now that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying he had an era where he was one of the greatest to ever fucking do it, fam. You know what I'm saying? And that is what made him special, fam. You know what I mean? Like, fuck the fact that I mean not fuck it because you know it's obviously it's a good thing. I'm glad that Drake has sold so much, and you know, Eminem sold it. You know, I'm I'm happy for y'all. That's what's up.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:41

But like we were saying earlier, how Keith said it's all artificially it can be controlled, and the fact that it can be controlled and manipulated completely taints the whole argument of the fact that such and such is better because they made more money. The entire can be manipulated.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:59

So it's all commercialized at that scale of things. Like if you're gonna pick that battle apart, you gotta just sit both of them in a room and just be like, all right, rap then. Like you know, yeah, or fight. Or fight.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:13

Right. What's what's the number one rule of fight club? Don't talk about the fight, don't talk about the fight club. No bullshit. All right, man. Well, keep bro. Let's go. We've come to the end. Thank you very much for joining us on the podcast at such short notice, bro.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:31

Man, thank y'all for having me for real.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:33

You know, just who you are. Um, thank you for the experience that you provided me last night, as well as anybody else who was at Barfest. Hell yeah. Um, because it was definitely one for the books.

SPEAKER_17 1:32:44

Yeah, you know, and and and the fact that it was like we seen you last night, and we're like, let's just have him on tomorrow. Like, that doesn't take away from the fact that the talent was there, and that's why you're here, bro. Because we we really appreciated the fact that you killed it. And you know, I've been telling Illy, like, yeah, we're gonna get Key M on eventually, but I was like, fuck it, let's just do it tomorrow. If he can come tomorrow, we can do it, fam. Like, so yeah, it worked out perfect, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:05

For real.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:06

Yep. Um, so that concludes this episode of the R414 Podcast, brought to you by Illy, Street Team Hectic, the R414 Media Studios, SG Films, and our guest for episode 47, Kiev, aka Skateboard Kiev, aka everything else, Kieves.

SPEAKER_14 1:33:31

Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:32

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SPEAKER_17 1:33:51

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