All 414 All Podcast Episode 43 W/ Meccah Maloh

Episode 43 We have hometown legend Meccah Maloh drop straight bars with a polished delivery and real life substance! We then speak of his musical journeys and processes along with his ups and downs then we speak about the Drake release and the current state of the game!!

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SPEAKER_09 3:04

Let's go.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Let's go. No, you got that fucking that this like sound right here to a fucking T. Thank you, bro. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_12 3:19

What the? I got fucking goosebumps right now. Thank you, bro. Crazy.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Crazy. Got to. Make a fucking malo. Let's get it.

SPEAKER_12 3:28

That's wild. Like you ever uh you ever had that experience when you're listening to some shit and then you just like um this is this is where I convey like music being like spiritual and shit. Like you can it almost feels like the Holy Ghost is like roaming around in the room and you feel like you know you get the goosebumps and the shivers and it just feels like you know fucking spiritual type shit. Yeah, but like that's what I feel right now.

SPEAKER_09 3:51

Like hey yeah, thank you. You know what's crazy, man. You know, even when I'm pending these shits, man, even my girl can tell you, man, I cried during some of these bars.

SPEAKER_05 3:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 3:58

Like this ain't like, you know, when I'm when I'm writing, bro, it's like I want the purpose is for the listener to know who I am and what I'm about. So, you know, when I'm writing, bro, it's like I'm coming from a place where, you know, it hurts to write it.

SPEAKER_05 4:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 4:13

And then, you know, when you're reciting it, rather you're in the studio rapping it or you're on stage rapping it, you get kind of choked up even rapping it. And that's how I know it's going to convey to the listener. You know what I'm saying? If if it's if it's provoking this emotion out of me writing it and distributing it, you know, I know the listener will feel the same way if they can relate to the message, you know what I mean? Right. Right. Big facts.

SPEAKER_12 4:36

Yeah, I've had that the same, you know. I I've did some records where it just like it hit too deep, and it's like it almost fucking hurt to you know be that um open with my audience, you know, and you know, sometimes you question it, but you're like, nah, I gotta.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

Sometimes it almost sounds like nah, they ain't they don't want to hear shit like this, bro. Yeah. And they're like, nah, they want to hear that shit.

SPEAKER_09 5:02

Yeah, because we living in a time, I I think, you know, now, now more than ever, a lot of a lot more um listeners are looking for more authenticity. You know what I mean? I think people are looking for more of what they can relate to. I think we all undid the party and bullshit and all that. And even with like my generation, you know, I'm you know, I'm in my 40s, you know what I'm saying? So it's like we ain't, you know, we riding around listening to stuff on our way to work or at the gym or whatever the case may be. We we we we like to hear turned up stuff, but you know, it's cool to hear stuff that you can relate to that puts you in that place, you know what I mean? So facts, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_13 5:37

Big facts. You a B star.

SPEAKER_09 5:39

Thank you. Appreciate it, man.

SPEAKER_12 5:40

Appreciate it. All right, Mike Check. You're now tapped into the All 414 Podcast, where hometown artistry is supported, recorded, and awarded an interview with the number one platform in the city. Before we dive into today's episode, take a brief moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell so you can stay updated on future episodes as we continue to bring the truest talent our hometown has to offer. I am your host, the 414 Tycoon, more commonly known as Illy. And joining me as co-host is my lyrical brethren, the verbal executionist, Street Team Hectic. These episodes are brought to you out of the Third War Studios, and behind the lens, we got SG Films. Joining us for episode 43, we got one of the dopest pad masters the 414 has to offer. This gentleman is also a true MC, record producer, and finger drummer based out of Milwaukee. He's highly regarded in the Midwest underground hip hop scene for his extensive music catalog, sharp lyricism, and live NPC pad performance skills. Without further delay, the all 414 all podcast is excited to welcome Mecha Malo. That was a so good joke, but I like that.

SPEAKER_02 6:55

That was fire.

SPEAKER_12 6:56

That was fire.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

Appreciate you, Mecha Malo, fam. So, not only to me are you one of the GOATs, fam, yeah, you know, and you're actively dropping music and shit, right? So not only are you actively performing, releasing records, but you definitely to me are a legacy act fan. Thank you, bro. Appreciate that. Like, I'm talking 06, 05, nigga. The the the fall of 05. I'm upstairs on 35th and Greenfield at Tito shit. Shout out Tito Mecca walk in there with CDs, a backpack full of CDs, not emotional shit. I'm talking about this is real shit. 05, bro. First time I this like one of the first times I came to Milwaukee to record music on some like with with news, with bad news and shit. And we went 35th and Greenfield up above the corner store and shit. And Mecca walk in that motherfucker. I'm telling you, bro, promotional shit, CDs. He like, what's up, bro? I got and this is before I even was even knowing you needed shit like that. So when I when I say that, I mean it, bro. Like this, I hold you in high regard as far as like the the the foot the groundwork to do you know this artist shit, bro, in Milwaukee. Cause you've been here, you've been around, you you always have elevated yourself in different ways and shit, you know. So shout out to you, fam. You know, that that's just my piece to you, bro. I appreciate man.

SPEAKER_09 8:14

I mean a lot coming for me for real, man. Think about it, bro.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

That's that's 21 years, fam. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_09 8:21

Oh man, I'm oh man, I'm getting up there, man. 21 years, fam.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

You was in the motherfucking studio with the fucking long time, man.

SPEAKER_09 8:27

Like this back, yeah. I was doing music since the real to real days for real. Like, I remember, yeah, the four tape, the four track tape recorder days, the false text joints, the radio shack mic, man. Yeah, niggas is getting with DR shack. Yeah, man, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that machines.

SPEAKER_12 8:43

I don't even know how it would feel if I saw a radio shack anyway. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_09 8:48

It was essential. Just seeing a radio shack at all. Yeah, it was essential, you know what I'm saying? I needed that. That's wild to think about.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

What's crazy is I never went through that, like uh the hardware ever. I never was like, oh, I need this piece to make this piece work to make, you know, like how niggas got, you know, this nigga got all kind of hardware and shit, you know. Yeah, I went through the struggle of like basement studios, but it was already DAWs and you know, the interface, the computer. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It was never, I never ever went through like, you know, I gotta need this mixer or this, and you know what I'm saying? Like, I just never did that. So when I hear people talk about that, I'm like, bro, y'all really went through the trenches with this music shit.

SPEAKER_09 9:27

Absolutely, like no bullshit. Because like back back then, you know, studio time wasn't cheap at all, man. I mean, it ain't cheap now, but back then, you know, like now it's it's it's easy to get your own setup, especially if you're a rapper, all you need is a microphone, uh laptop, and an interface, headphones and you're ready to go. Back then, being able to be in the studio was a big deal, man. You didn't have access to it, it was a big deal, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Facts. That's why I enjoy being over by Tito and shit. Right. And then we used to we was young, so we used to go in there just fucking party and shit.

SPEAKER_09 10:00

Yeah. Tito, another Tito, Tito been doing this shit for a minute, too, man. Shout out to Tito, he's been rocking for a minute. I recorded damn near half of my catalog with Tito, damn near shit.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

There was a point in time where everybody I ever met that rap around this motherfucker recorded with Tito.

SPEAKER_09 10:16

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

Absolutely. Shout out to Tito, fam. Yeah. With that new window. He had the new window. He had the new window.

SPEAKER_09 10:22

That's great. Came a long way for sure.

SPEAKER_13 10:25

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_12 10:26

You've had a like Hex said, man, you've had a major impact on the city. Um you've kept, you know, judging by what I'm just hearing right now, you've kept the truth and the authenticity in your music from, you know, the time where, you know, probably you started back in 05 and up to current. It sounds like what you would think hip-hop is supposed to sound like. You know, like it hasn't like hip-hop is mutated into all these subcategories and you know, sub-genres, and it's just the lines are so blurred now on what is considered hip-hop, what's not hip-hop, and when I hear shit like yours, there's that's undeniable hip-hop music. Like uh hip-hop spirit and culture, and just the whole everything that you think about when you think about hip-hop, you embody that in the voice.

SPEAKER_09 11:23

No doubt. I appreciate that. Yeah, got to, man. Got to, man. That's just what I and the production. Yeah, and your production is hella crazy.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Thank you, man. Absolutely. To watch it live is crazy to go ahead and do it.

SPEAKER_12 11:34

Yeah, I I really didn't um I've heard your lyricism, you know, because I'm a lyricist. Um I just got into production, so now I'm learning, you know, who the who's the who's in the producer scene here.

SPEAKER_10 11:47

Right.

SPEAKER_12 11:48

Um I didn't originally know you were a producer at first. I thought you were just a rapper. You know, and then um, you know, once he had mentioned, like, oh, we're gonna have him on the pod, I'm like, all right, well, let me, you know, do my dive into him that way I'm not like blindsided. And as I've been listening to your production, like today, I I was replaying one of your albums in the gym as I was lifting. You know, I was telling you when you got here, like, that shit had me amped the fuck up.

SPEAKER_09 12:17

No doubt, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 12:19

You know, it's it's very few I find music that can like help me get to uh lift a weight that I've never lifted. But your shit had me like all 100%.

SPEAKER_09 12:28

He's over there bench pressing 500.

SPEAKER_12 12:30

Like, uh I'm for real, bro. I was off the pre-workout. You you you get your pad machine was like fucking duh. No, you yeah, you got that shit. I ain't even I fucking squatted 405 today. First time ever.

SPEAKER_09 12:43

Damn. All right, man. I'm glad I can, yeah, man. Yeah, that's what's up, man. You're not many artists.

SPEAKER_02 12:49

Absolutely. Especially like for me, if I would have said that you're like, yeah, that's what's up, bro. Fat ass thing, shut up. Oh no, this buff ass thing, you know, he buff, so it may it may mean something, you know what I'm saying? Like, oh you know this nigga love that shit, so it was really passionate, passionately fucking, you know, like, yeah, this is the shit.

SPEAKER_12 13:03

So yeah, I was in my headphones like this nigga.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

No, just just to watch you live though, to do that.

SPEAKER_09 13:10

Because uh, what was the battle you won over at uh you used to be at Company Bruin? Company Bruin. I was gonna say that was that that was the cream city beat battle volume two, and you went crazy on all them niggas, yeah. Man, yeah, I beat Godzilla. I beat Godzilla for Godzilla wasn't even supposed to be in there, he was replacing somebody else. Godzilla won it the season before that. So unfortunately, it was only two cream city battle tournaments. They gotta bring that shit back out. But me and Godzilla was the only two producers to actually win that. So you know, shout out to Godzilla too.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

Shout out to Godzilla. But yeah, you was you was going crazy with the finger drumming and yeah, man. You know, I always tell people like there's certain things, parameters and like bonuses that people add or like have to their act performance, whatever you want to call it. And that shit boosts your rating, bro.

SPEAKER_09 14:01

100%. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 14:02

Like my beat could be cold, and I could just sit there and bob with it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, and you bring that fucking shit on stage, bro. You like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun boom, like you fucking finger drumming the whole shit. You won, fam. You won, you know, that that elevates the whole thing, bro.

SPEAKER_09 14:17

It's the performance aspect of beat battles that was missing because you know, Castle just go up there and just play their beat, and you know, it's just kind of dance with it a little bit. So, like, bringing the and mind you, like, you know, um, which which I I am the first, I'm one of the first finger drummers in the state of Wisconsin, like actually like getting out there known for it. You know what I'm saying? Um, so you know, I think when I did it at the B battle, that was a lot of first people's time seeing some shit like that. You know what I mean? Like they did never seen it before. So when I did it, they're like, what the fuck? Is he making the beat on stage right now? Is that what's going on? So it is added to the shock value, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 14:58

There's a difference, so everybody knows that's watching. There's a difference between what he does and somebody having the shit on stage and like dropping the beat. Like he's literally playing the sound and the drums, and he but he might start a loop or something, but he's playing that shit live. Yeah, as opposed to because it's still a talent when people do go up there with the and they'll break the beat down live. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 15:21

But you just turned it into a musical instrument. You just completely turned your drum machine into a fully function, functional musical instrument that's playing multiple instruments at one time with every trigger, and then you gotta remember uh your pad placements for every beat. You know what I'm saying? So it's like the pad placements for this beat might be different from the pad placements. The hi-hat might be up here now, or it might be here. Or the crash might be here, or the kicks might they might be in different places. So now, like when you get to the next round or like the next beat, you gotta you know go to it and remember exactly where everything is. So here now. So you know you gotta know to know where the trigger, the samples at, and and things. So it's definitely a score.

SPEAKER_12 16:06

But then you're innovating the whole time. You're so it's like you're you're remembering, but you're also doing something completely new because I'm pretty sure like if you start a loop and you're hitting, and then you might uh you know, in the spur of the moment, you might think like it'll be super co-fi.

SPEAKER_09 16:28

There's certain triggers that you can yeah, there's certain triggers that you can do, like you can go to the XY screen and while the sample plan, you can, you know, do some adjustments on the f on the fly like a DJ scratch, like a drone. Like you can do that, and you know, it's it's it's different function functionalities, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 16:47

You know, I think that's called a fade, by the way. Yeah, fade. Yeah, that a fade. You know what's funny though? I just found that out last week because I was like, man, I need the shit to be like zoom. Exactly what he did. It's called a slow fade. Yeah, it's a fade. But I I just figured that out, bro. It's just funny that you did it because I be I was telling you. He was out here catching up. I'm telling you, ego. I'm like, nigga, I want the beat and the voice, everything to drop off right here. He's like, Well, what do you mean? I'm like, I want it to be like zoop. Right. He was like, I don't know what the fuck that's called. I was like, me neither, nigga. I looked it up. That was all it's a fade, bro. I never knew that all these years a simple ass fade, bro. That's it.

SPEAKER_09 17:19

Yeah, man. But yeah, man, as far as the finger drumming, man, is interesting. I want to tell a story on how I got into finger drumming in the first place. Um, you know, when I got uh I had did a little six-month little thing thing, and um my guy when I got out of jail, uh, he gave me an NPC. So I'm like, damn, because I was always making beats. But um I never really used the NPC Live yet at that point. So I had an NPC live, I'm messing with it, making beats. I'm scrolling on Instagram and shit, and then I see uh some producers named Beats by J Black and Drizzy Track, you know what I'm saying? Um there's a couple other finger drummers too that I saw, but those two really stood out to me. And I'm watching, like, damn, let me see if I can do that shit, right? You know what I'm saying? Because I'm a drummer, I've been playing drums since I was five, so you know, as far as the hand-eye coordination, it was nothing for me to, you know, kind of convert to the NPC, you know, from the drum set. So I'm trying it out and I'm realizing that I know how to do it. So I'm practicing more and more about it and practicing, I'm getting good and I'm getting better. Um fast forward a few months later, um, I'm I booked a trip to Atlanta to uh, you know, just do some networking and shit. I go to Atlanta, and I was trying to link up with Beats by J Black before I got up there, but it wasn't nothing shaking. So I go to I go to this event called the Controllerize event where producers go there with their NPCs and they play live beats. They got the SP404s, you know, things like that. So I go there with my NPC, and um, I wasn't booked to do this shit or nothing. I wasn't on the build or nothing. I asked the host, like, yo, I'm from Milwaukee, I can finger drum, can I open up? You know what I'm saying? He let me open up, right? Boom. He said I can set up my shit, you know, in like 30 minutes, I can I can start. Boom, I set up my shit. Then I go to the bar to get me a drink. A nigga in front of me, right? He had on the blue jean jacket, right? Woo-woo. And I'm looking at it, I'm like, dog, this nigga, I don't know why I know what he looked like from the from the back jacket or whatever, but I'm like, is this beast by Jay Black? I tapped the nigga on the shoulder, he turned around. Sure enough, it's beast by Jay Black.

SPEAKER_13 19:42

That's wow.

SPEAKER_09 19:43

So I, you know, I'm topping it up, like I'm fan out. I ain't gonna hold you. I'm like, dog, you beast by Jay Black, that's crazy, bro. You cold as a motherfucker. I follow you on Instagram, bro. You know, I'm actually opening up. I'm finger drumming, you know what I'm saying? Now mind you, this is my first finger drumming performance ever in Atlanta. And I'm performing in front of damn near my mentor with the shit. You know the motherfucker that I, you know, that inspired me to do it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I was nervous as a hooker in church, man, but I killed that shit. I don't know how I killed that shit, man. And it was just it was a crazy moment, man, because he gave me my props and shit. He welcomed me to the NPC gang family and all that, and the rest is history, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 20:26

See, and that's what I mean by like uh just the whole like spiritual aspect of this music shit. And you know, like a lot of people don't see it like that, but I've always seen it like that. Like, there's a there's a like a spiritual force that's moving around in this shit that just aligns shit for us, and you know how you went there and you're trying to get in contact with this dude and it happened, right?

SPEAKER_09 20:53

Yeah, it happened, man. It ended up fucking happening, man. And it threw me off. I'm like, damn, that's crazy, dog. Like, you know. Shout out to Beast by J Black, too, man. I love you for that, man. Me and him been cool ever since, man. I've been to the nigga crib and shit, man. Uh done kick it. I mean, we kicked it, bro. Like, we had went to the A3C convention. Um, me, my guy Farrell Gamo, and coaches. Yeah, we was out there, and um, we was kicking it with him, Lisa Vasquez and shit like that. Shout out to Lisa Vasquez. We was kicking it, like we was kicking it, bro. I'm like, damn, these motherfuckers I look up to in the finger drumming shit. I'm like, damn, and like now I'm part of the fam and shit. That shit was a it was a lit experience, man. Shout out to all of them too, man. For real.

SPEAKER_13 21:35

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_09 21:36

Shout out to all the finger drummers out there. We don't get enough respect, man. No, that's facts.

SPEAKER_12 21:40

Um, you want to go ahead and walk us through a couple of these um albums that you got?

SPEAKER_09 21:45

Oh, absolutely, man. So yeah, I got the Jarvis Reed story right here, man. This this this album right here is a gym. Um, it's got about like 13 tracks on it. I produce every song except for one. Oh, Ryan Rhines produced one of the joints called Gotham City. In the Midwest featuring Yo Dot and JR Scales. Very, very dope project, man. Um, basically it's self-explanatory. The drivers read story, the audiobiography, as told by McAmalo. So I kind of did some things there, and then I got also got I got that on vinyl as well. You know what I mean? So, you know, just holler at me. I got the vinyl, I got the CDs, you know what I mean? Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_13 22:26

Let's go.

SPEAKER_09 22:26

And I got the God bless me, EP. Got the God bless me, EP. It's like six, no, it's five songs upon here. This is a very, very personal project for me too, because this project is um pretty much about my journey, you know, moving to Appleton from Milwaukee. So this this gets a little personal and it brings up a lot of uh things in the past that I never really shared before in my music. Like we go through the whole thing about spirituality and stuff like that. That's a very spiritual piece for me, you know. Yeah, I heard how you was approaching that album.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

For a second, I'm like, is he is he like fully like, you know, but then uh okay, yeah. I see I see I seen the vision after.

SPEAKER_09 23:14

Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

You know, but that's that's a good little EP right there, bro.

SPEAKER_09 23:16

Thank you, bro. Appreciate it. Oh, yeah, and I got the clothing line too, man. Shop uvsc.com, urban vibe supply code. You see it. Man, I got my own shoe too, man.

SPEAKER_12 23:24

Put the bring that shoe up here.

SPEAKER_09 23:26

Got the got the shoe too, man. Shoe.

SPEAKER_12 23:28

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_09 23:29

Got my own shoe.

SPEAKER_12 23:30

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_09 23:31

The LDL man comfortable too, man. Hello, dog got a shoe. $85. It's it's affordable. $85.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Hey, uh, what's the vinyl going for? The vinyl going for like $35. Bro, see, that's crazy. I'm glad he I asked that question because I was at Walmart the other day and I seen the vinyls. I'm like, oh shit, if it's you know, if it's decent price and shit, yeah. I'm thinking, you know, it's some older shit. $10, $15. Nah. That motherfucker was $43. Yes. It's going down. Vinyls is vinyl dropping next week. Yeah. I need that money, fam. Look at that. Yeah. No, but yeah, that's some that's some shit right there.

SPEAKER_09 24:09

Physical, physical uh music product, man, is coming back, man. Um, as far as vinyl. Cass is pressing up cassette tapes again. You know what I'm saying? That's selling. It's just it's one of those things, too, man. If if if um you know um if people are fans of your work, man, they'll buy anything that you come out with, man. You know what I'm saying? And let's go, you know, um but you gotta have it available, right?

SPEAKER_12 24:34

And although they might not be using it the same way that we used to use it, you know, because back in the day you used to buy a vinyl and motherfuckers you really used to pop that bitch on. Right, okay. That's the only thing you have to do. And scratch that shit up, you know. But now, like, I got my little home studio and you know, I'll buy like um artists that I like, I'll buy their CDs or posters and I'll hang that shit up in the studio. You know, it's all memorabilia for me, you know.

SPEAKER_09 25:00

Or you just get it signed that don't never open it. You know what I'm saying? That's what a lot of cats is doing with the um merchandise these days. They're getting it signed and is putting it to the side for, you know what I mean? For you know, whatever kind of value that they hope that it creates. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_12 25:14

So and even just the, you know, when my son is old enough, you know, I want to be able to have talks about you know some of the shit that I remember doing when I was younger and walk him through, you know, I got this CD from Mecca when he was on the all for one for all podcasts back when your dad was, you know, like you know, I want to have those. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_09 25:32

It's like if I get like if I got a new brand new, let's say I got a brand new Nas CD and I get it signed by Nas, bro. I'm not touching that no more.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

That's right. I was talking to somebody about that the other day, actually. I was like, bro, what do people uh ask to get signed now? That you don't have CDs and shit, so like you gotta have a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_09 25:50

No, can I still get vinyls? Vinyls, vinyls.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Right, you know, yeah, you know, like when they be doing those wrestler meet and greets and shit. Right. Like, what do what like you know, you're not a shirt.

SPEAKER_09 26:02

It's a shirt. I just saw a video of it.

SPEAKER_12 26:05

A little poster.

SPEAKER_09 26:06

Yeah, you know, I just saw a video of Jay-Z walking out of the rock nation headquarters signing plenty of vinyls, just motherfuckers out there with just stacks of vinyl, he just signing them right quick, just at down the road. Just everybody have vinyls. I saw like three CDs, you know what I'm saying? I saw three CDs, but or like they have like like a magazine page or something, but yeah, like sign my meta glasses.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

You know, that's what I'm saying. Sign the back of my phone, my phone case and shit. That's why. But yeah, no, that the the uh the reason I brought that up is because it's good to have the merchandise and uh memorabilia. Memorabilia to me is super important. I love shit like that. I buy little little just little shit, little glass shit, whatever, whatever you got. And I like that shit. I'm buying that shit. Absolutely just to put around the plate or the the studio or the crib.

SPEAKER_12 26:52

You know, that's kind of like what one of the things that I like the most about uh Letho Studios he got like just little trinkets and shit that you wouldn't you know see anywhere else, just randomly placed in here, but it all has like purpose and it flows together real nice, you know.

SPEAKER_02 27:08

And it's sentimental too, right? You know what I'm saying? There's some shit that niggas be having in their life for you know how long I fucking have seen this course like like, bro. You know what I'm saying? It's been through every studio he's been at, bro. I've I've seen that last studio. You feel me though? Like we talk in different locations, bro. Yeah, so you know that that whole meaning to people, bro.

SPEAKER_12 27:27

So um, do you got any uh current events or activities uh lined up for 2026?

SPEAKER_09 27:34

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, um, I'll be at Bar Fest 5 June 27th. Yeah, man. So shout out to BZ Bars. You know what I'm saying? I'm about to be a regular on that joint, so I'll be in no, I'll no I'm gonna come and rock. But um, other than that, man, uh that's it pretty much as far as shows. You know what I'm saying? Um, but yeah, right now it's just um that working on some projects. I'm working on a project with Hell's Yeah out there in Atlanta. He's from Brooklyn, but he's out there in Atlanta. We got some shit. We got some shit with Ferramo, um, and just the clothing brand, bro. UrbanVib Supply Code, shop UVSC.com. You know what I'm saying? That's pretty much it.

SPEAKER_13 28:12

Yeah. I'm fucking.

SPEAKER_12 28:14

All right, well, let's go into another artist song.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

All right, we got Makamalo. He sitteth on the throne, music video. Let's get it.

unknown 28:32

Huh.

SPEAKER_09 28:32

I've been through a lot. I'm just now getting stable. Hard work, ethics, what I bring to the table. Hundred thousand dollars for the years I wasn't able with hamburger helper and boot medicable. I can never tell a fable. Everything is real here. Pain from the hood, you ain't careful, you can get killed there. You can be in prison or a casket on a wheelchair. Shout out to my therapist and tell them how to feel there. I can't even lie, this year's been a real year. Every couple weeks of stick, back to chat of wheelchair. Everything is definite. I got this piece of evidence, piece of iron and race. But I'm heavy stick, back at the benevolent. I'm just tryna maintain, do what a nigga gotta do in this damn game. Well, shit, only do five damn lane, get size fight. Niggas gotta stay up with this damn lane. Nigga gotta king it no matter what you um Gotta bless me up now, I think the phone, when you fill the love, pickin' up the phone, I be in the song, yeah. I can leave this to the ball. I do the soft day, I pick in the song. When you fall off day, pickin' up the phone, I be in the song, they went to please please, nigga, please believe me. Tell me when they came to be niggas couldn't see me. Fuck me, I'm open on the niggas see me. I ain't gotta let the finger. More drama than an episode of Jack's finger. I'm getting money for the feet, but I ain't a finger. I'm just trying to fuck the city like the armor came to train them. So the little dope I never made it to a chill. Come again from my old feet, what's the freedom? I took a little freaking came back like a people. I let the people niggas really take nothing, nothing's something, nigga. When you put it to it, follow the sponsor, sit it from the throne. Nigga got a king, it don't matter what you own. Can't do for self, then how can you with tongue? When you fall off, they pickin' up the phone, but I be in the zone, they sit it from the throne. Right in the guy, I can't leave it to the room. Can't do for self, then how can you with tongue? When you fall off, they pickin' up the phone, but I be in the zone, sit it from the throne. Let's go.

unknown 30:54

Fire.

SPEAKER_09 30:57

God bless me. P out now, man. Cop that. That's on that. Raph, dude, rapping as big.

SPEAKER_12 31:03

I like the visual too, you know. It's not too much. Matches the vibe of the track.

SPEAKER_09 31:09

Thank you, man. Yeah, I made that video myself. You think it wasn't no camera, man? Yep. Yep. I made the beat. The whole video thing, the whole process. Shout out to Toon Beats, Toon Beats, Mix Mastered, and edited that and all that. So yeah. Okay, let's go. Yeah. That's what's up.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Self-sufficient, fam. That's the only way to be though at this point, fam. If especially if you just want to make it how you want it to be, you gotta learn how to do that shit yourself.

SPEAKER_09 31:36

Man, I went to Best Buy, got one of those goddamn uh gimbals, goddammit, that you attach to your phone, goddamn. You know that you just got the app, bro. That shit turn on the facial recognition, goddammit, put that on the tripod, the camera follow your ass everywhere you go, G. That's cold. You got a cameraman on the tripod. Yeah. It's no excuse no more, guys.

SPEAKER_12 31:56

Facts.

SPEAKER_09 31:58

That makes me think of uh excuse no more, guys. He's gotta do it.

SPEAKER_12 32:02

One of my favorite things was um Hobson. Uh dude he had like put out a couple clips of like how he was making his videos and shit like that. And this nigga had like a fucking shopping cart that was like he had a tripod set up in the shopping cart.

SPEAKER_09 32:19

Somebody pushing the shopping cart so that whatever you gotta do to get the shot, man.

SPEAKER_12 32:25

Yeah, he was basically uh producing his own videos and shit because he didn't have a videographer at the time.

SPEAKER_09 32:35

As long as you got a phone, you can pretty much, man, it's so crazy what you can do with your phone these days, man. I done seen niggas, I done seen a motherfucker make it on the billboard charts, bro, with a song they recorded on Bandland, bro. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 32:51

Like Bandland for free.

SPEAKER_09 32:53

They probably sent it in to get mixed a little bit somewhere else, but they definitely recorded that bitch on their phone, man.

SPEAKER_12 32:59

Like Well, now you got um, I can't remember uh certified trapper, I think his name is. You know, dude put out hella tracks, you know, just and then his videos were super, super low quality when he first started. And he was just doing everything off his phone, and the beats were low quality, you know. He it sounded like he had just started rapping, so yeah, the lyricism wasn't really there, but the consistency was there that he was dropping. Yeah, you know, so he built up a buzz around that shit.

SPEAKER_09 33:32

Content is everything these days, man. A constant flood motion to content is in these days, man. I can't keep up. I ain't I can't keep up. I don't even try, bro. But I mean, we with this I do with the podcast and shit. But like the way the game is now, like you gotta like take a song and then like you gotta like rap, make different versions of a video of that song. You rapping in the bathroom, now you gotta rap outside the courthouse, now you gotta rap at the zoo, now you gotta rap, like you know, the same song, the same verse.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

And that, but and that's after recorded. It's after you record it, you write it, record it, all that. Yeah, with the podcast, it comes uh better because this is the content, right? Right. You know what I'm saying? That's an hour and a half worth of content, so it's a little easier. And I still am having trouble keeping up because you know they say the algorithm wants you to do every day, right? Two, three times a day, minimum. You gotta that shit that's just tough, bro. Yeah, it's a lot. So for people to be doing that for themselves, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 34:35

Shout out to those that can do it, man. I you know, I got a full-time job, a whole family, man. You know what I mean? So it's just yeah.

SPEAKER_12 34:42

That's what makes it tough for us, you know, because we're we're both working full time, so it's like we're trying to do what we can in between, and then we're trying to be artists, right? And then you know, we got other interests, and it's it's a lot.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Yeah, it is, man. I mean, when you break down just the title of being a grown-up, it's crazy, bro. Yeah, oh yeah. Um full-time job, uh, a spouse, a parent, yeah, a rapper, a video editor, a fucking break dancer looking at. Engineering, yeah. I got a second job as an engineer, bro. Like, yeah, engineer, like, bro, that's just and that's just on the surface level. You just have so much to, you know. 10 out of 10, do not recommend, fam. Stay young, forever. Stay your ass young and don't have no kids until you super fucking ready.

SPEAKER_12 35:34

So before we head into this next portion of the episode, if you haven't already, take a moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell to help us grow this audience. A like, comment, or share with a friend are also great ways to let us know you supported and watch the episode. Also, shout out to our sponsor, Illy Tense, for financing these episodes. If you or someone you know was looking to transform your vehicle, add privacy, or keep it cool by blocking out the sun rays, give us a call today at 414-326-7283 or stop by the shop in Franklin 8581 South 27th Street to book your next appointment. Also, I want to take a moment to shout out um Breaking and Entering's Big Beat MKE winners. We got James Ashin, Yoshi, OA Beats, and BU. All moving forward to the semifinals next Thursday. Let's fucking.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

Congratulations, guys. Congratulations. Shout out to Illy's uh epic fucking battle versus somebody he knew forever that has been making beats and shit. It was just the whole setup was crazy, bro. Yeah, you know, because we've we've known BU for as long as we've known, you know, a B, bro. So it's 20 plus years, but he probably known BU even longer than that. So it's like, bro, BU's been making beats since back then. And then Italy went up head to head with him, fam.

SPEAKER_10 36:55

That's great.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

And and was not, did not go out like, you know, like you would think if you said that time and you was just like, let's see how it goes. Nah, bro. And then I couldn't be like geek for either one, really. Like, I wanted to I could have been, but I was like, I was trying to just be super neutral, bro. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_12 37:09

Because then if I would have been showing my fucking, you know, people like, oh shit, like, you know, so I was like, man, let me just be, I was over in the corner, like and it's hard to be like uh, you know, because I mean as the competitor, I want to be competitive, you know, and like trash talk, but then he's also my friend, you know, slash brother, you know. So it's like, you know, at what point is like, okay, I probably should trash talk like that. No, I don't mean none of this, you know.

SPEAKER_09 37:33

So see, that's that's the thing about beat battling, man. Like the difference between because you know, I you know, I did the rap battling thing too, man. And it's like the worlds are too different, it's like polar opposite worlds, man. Like, you know, and beat battles, it's like niggas just cool. Like niggas, y'all do a beat battle and share sample packs after that. You know what I mean? Rap battles, niggas really want to beef with you. Like, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

You're you're literally saying, you know, some crazy shit.

SPEAKER_09 38:02

Yeah, you got you know what I mean? Like, it's yeah, hey, bro. The battle rap world should be kind of, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

That should be to me. I can't, that's why I can't do it. I just can't. And I'm not saying I'm like a tough guy, and then I just can't do it. There's no way, bro. I'm not finna sit there. Motherfuckers be saying some crazy fucking shit, bro.

SPEAKER_09 38:18

Yeah, motherfuckers practice them shits for months until the battle, too. Like, I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_02 38:23

I didn't even, I just thought about that right now. No, you practice this. For months, you've been practicing this line about my sister. Like, yeah, ain't no fucking way. Talk about moms, all kinds of shit. Like, nah, man.

SPEAKER_09 38:34

Niggas do research on you and shit. And don't have don't be in the relationship and your oh bitch got mad at you and shit. Then she gonna, yeah, man. It gets it gets real weird. You know what I mean? Nah, yeah, you definitely we definitely gotta break up.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

But yeah, it was tough.

SPEAKER_12 38:50

It was tough being a competitor against him because like I said, I I like his music, you know, so it's like, you know, as much as I don't want to be up there nodding and you know what I'm saying, like vibing to his music, can't help it, you know. So I'm up there like with him and shit. I'm like, ah shit. Hey, uh, I still got my shit off that.

SPEAKER_02 39:12

You got that shit on there from uh from on the drive type shit?

SPEAKER_12 39:18

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 39:18

You got that round on the drives?

SPEAKER_12 39:20

Um, because I just I want to play that fucking Spanish one.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

Uh it might be uh number three that I get on. Yeah, yeah. That's the one that's that Biyaka one? Yeah. Alright, we're just gonna play this real quick just cause.

SPEAKER_09 39:40

Yeah, that's one that I made.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

This is about the ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_09 40:11

That's different.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

I guess in the yaka.

SPEAKER_02 40:38

Hey, so the uh OA beats right before that had did the fucking uh the Mike Jack beat it sample. Oh shit. And you know, that's risky because you could have fucked that up, you know what I mean? But he went nuts, he went nuts, it was cold. But then Illy did that with his shit, right? And I couldn't help it. I didn't want to, you know, because I was trying not to give anybody like a one up or nothing, but I couldn't help it, bro. He played that. I'm like, just so y'all know, bro, if there's any Puerto Ricans in here, that was the equivalent of using that fucking Mike Jack and Beaton to five smith. Because that that's a fucking super classic. Oh wow, like that that sample, and then I bet I got it. Can you play the original? Uh damn, I'm about to play.

SPEAKER_12 41:20

I forget what it is.

SPEAKER_02 41:22

That's like a super, super classic.

SPEAKER_09 41:27

You want to hear the original. What's it called? Guata Uba? Oh, we're doing a little sample snitching right now, y'all. This is called sample snitching, right?

SPEAKER_02 41:38

No, this ain't it. This is all dwelling randy. How do I make it put me on the spot right before you forgot how to fucking the name of this nigga? I have to show you another time, dog. No, but either way, that's a super classic. Yeah, like the reggae before. This is like the pre-rega phone.

SPEAKER_12 42:15

No, it is plan B.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

This one right here? Yeah. You see how it says classical right there?

SPEAKER_09 42:41

But you use to make your beats. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

Like this is like pre-what I get on is today. Wow. Like that's the original fucking thing. Like when they first started doing that shit, bro. Like, yeah. That's some shit you just never knew that. Yeah. Just some shit like me being Puerto Rican, bro. Like that, when he started playing that, I'm like, the fuck out of here, bro.

SPEAKER_11 43:06

Like, when I was making it, I was like, every Puerto Rican in the fucking crowd's gonna lose their mind when I fucking play this shit. Unfortunately, there wasn't too many Puerto Ricans in there.

SPEAKER_02 43:15

Damn. Oh no, not that one. Oh yeah, there wasn't enough Puerto Ricans in there, bro. Because it would have, it would have made a difference. Yeah. If you would have, it would have put a bunch of Recans in there, bro. That would have made a whole difference. Everybody wouldn't want to be like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_12 43:29

Um now we gotta play my favorite of those four. Okay. It's the it should have been the last one, the closer.

SPEAKER_02 43:36

Final execution?

SPEAKER_12 43:37

Yeah, final execution.

SPEAKER_07 43:41

Very impressive.

SPEAKER_06 43:43

But I can do that. That nigga's trash bang this. Don't tell me that you nigga, you ain't dead. For real, we can build a lot of shit on that.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

I want him executed at the end of the show.

SPEAKER_09 44:41

That's nice.

SPEAKER_11 44:44

I'm making a mind when I was making that shit.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

That's nice. That was a perfect use of like talking shit through whatever, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_09 44:53

Well, that's a real beat battle beat right there.

SPEAKER_12 44:56

Facts.

SPEAKER_09 44:56

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_12 44:57

That's how I tried to approach the battle, you know, like straight fucking battle type beats.

SPEAKER_09 45:02

Yeah, that's definitely a beat battle beat for sure.

SPEAKER_12 45:04

Real amped up energy and you know.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

Let's go, fam. Big beep MKE, the finals next week. This will be dropped after the finals, but y'all hear about it.

SPEAKER_12 45:17

All right. Um real quick before we move on to the interview portion. Do you got anybody you want to shout out or you know, just uh pay homage to or anything like that?

SPEAKER_09 45:28

Oh yeah, man. Um I actually want to um I actually want to dedicate this interview to my nigga Streets, man. Rest in peace, Streets, man. Um R.P. the Don. Miss my nigga, man, for real. I ain't gonna lie, I miss, I miss my nigga, man. Um also, also R.I.P. the Tweezy, man. R.I.P. the Twan G. R.P. Twin. Just like yeah, Mac. Definitely Twan Mac, man. Just a lot of people that I miss right now, man. You know, um, other than that, man, shout out to my whole Milwaukee Padmaster Squad. Shout out to my stepkids, man. They doing numbers, man. The oldest, my oldest, he a track star in this middle school. He's number one in this middle school, the fastest in the 400. Um, my youngest, he he um just got high honors in this school. And um, and the middle child, man. She's doing the doing amazing work in the choir and in her plays. So, you know. Let's go. Shout out to that. I'm proud of it. Very, very proud of that, man.

SPEAKER_12 46:25

Let's go. Absolutely. All right, so uh let's get into this interview real quick. Um, give us a summary of who you are and uh what you hope to accomplish through your artistry.

SPEAKER_09 46:36

Um, well, you know, I'm I'm I'm just an MC, man. I'm I'm an MC producer. I'm a creator, man. At the end of the day, I just like to create, you know, um anything, rather it's music, rather it's clothes, rather it's you know, uh, I'm just a creator, man. Um as far as with with the music, with the lyrics, with the lyrics and whatnot, man, just you know, it's it might sound cliche, but just you know, just bringing it real. Just just keeping it real on wax and and I'm giving people something thoughtful to listen to, yeah, man. That's pretty much it when it comes to that, man. Um, you know, and just um make sure that I represent hip hop in the correct way. Make sure I um continue to be an MC, man. It's one of those things, man. I hate the I hate the conversation, like the older you are, the more um you're not eligible to be a rapper anymore. You know what I mean? Like rap is the only genre where we actually say that. I think the older you are, bro, shit, the better you are at this point, right? When you look at the the artist, when you look at the game and and the aspect, like we we just heard Big Daddy Kang wreck shot, bro. The man is like 60, like what? How does Big Daddy Kang? He gotta be in the 60s. He in the 60s, man, killing shit, like just because Max Max B put his foot in his mouth, man. Like he rap circles, he it's crazy, bro. Um Nas. This Nas just came off of like a 20 album run with Hit Boy, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_12 48:07

Like, and that shit, like I was telling um Leto, uh, I was telling Heg, SG, like I was never a big Nas fan, yeah, until I did a dive into Nas's music, you know, because I heard his, you know, the his earlier albums. I wasn't as far as people are like, oh, who's the GOATs? Uh you know, Jay, big Nas, you know, uh, it was never Nas for me. And then I'm like digging into his um most recent shit, and I'm like, dog, what the fuck was I thinking?

SPEAKER_09 48:41

Like and the cool thing that Nas is doing, the very cool thing that I think he's doing with the mass appeal label imprint that he got. He's signing a lot of legacy artists, he signed uh Slick Rick. Damn, he signed De La Soul, bro. He signed uh goddamn, he got it, he dropped a big L album. He signed A Z. Who else am I missing, man? The Mob Deep album is crazy, bro. Jesus Christ, that album is crazy. The Mob Deep album is nuts. It sounds like Prodigy's still alive, bro. It's like I just like what Nas doing, bro. Like, as far as matter of fact, if I was to sign for a major, it'd be massive pill because of the roster. Yeah. That you got you, it's the umbrella you're under when it comes to that. Like, damn, you know.

SPEAKER_13 49:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 49:27

And what one thing I like about Nas is uh his most current music is that it doesn't sound old, you know what I'm saying? Like it doesn't sound not at all. His his just the way he's structured his uh songwriting and everything, it sounds very current to what is also floating around.

SPEAKER_09 49:47

Shout out to Hit Boy, man.

SPEAKER_12 49:49

Hitboy is very Nas as well. Yeah, like you're like, that's for sure, Nas, but that that don't sound like the old Nas.

SPEAKER_09 49:55

That sounds like uh Nas 2.0 or yeah, Nas had a run where he wasn't really picking the correct beats, man. I think with with Hip Boy, man, that was just Hip Boy kind of saved his career, not save his career, kind of re revived it. Yeah, kind of revived it, revamped it, yeah. You know, because this production on all those projects was crazy. Um, even like with the whole Griselda niggas, the niggas is my age, 42, 43, the niggas still killing shit, man. Like, come on, like yo, man, if you 40, bro, you still rapping, bro. Fuck it. Like, just you know, I think when it comes to certain things, especially if you're like a a lyricist, um, I think we don't work hard enough. You know what I'm saying? Because when you look at other artists that don't have all the lyrics in the world, they aren't they're not bar heavy, but they hustle heavy, they grind heavy, you know what I'm saying? So wherever they lacking with the pen, you know, they they go get. You know what I mean? And I think if, you know.

SPEAKER_02 51:00

I got a theory on that, bro. Like, I could be wrong too, but I'd be wrong a lot. I'll just be saying shit. It's all good. I'd just be saying shit because I'll just be thinking about it right here while we're talking. But uh, it almost seems like, you know, they call it a young man sport, right? So then the young guys, they're not necessarily grinding for the money the way we see how to go get it. They are more like, I just gotta be seen. You gotta be exactly. And that kind of is turning into dollars behind being seen, right? As opposed to Griselda and shit. Like them niggas is actually like we touring and people are coming to see us, and these are grown people. Right. These aren't little kids, they're not it's they don't have a young audience, I don't, I don't think. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_09 51:45

Like they gotta young audience, they got a young audience.

SPEAKER_02 51:48

It's just not like that's not their majority is what I'm saying. Not the majority. But the majority of them is you know, middle class fucking grown workers and shit, tradesmen and shit.

SPEAKER_09 51:55

But like a lot of young white, a lot of young white kids like Griselda, a lot of suburban white kids. You always have that.

SPEAKER_02 52:01

I think you always have that in any type of rap situation because they want to kind of connect to something like that, you know what I'm saying? Especially some drug dealing, Scarface ass shit. You know what I'm saying? But but what I'm saying is like Griselda, I seen them talking about it. Somebody said it on a podcast once it was like, I went to a Griselda concert, bro. I walked in there and it was there was no young people in there, right? All grown people. You could tell these niggas was electricians and plumbers, electricians and plumbers, but it was motherfuckers. No, because you gotta think about it, you gotta think about where we come from, our age, the people our age, they we come from a different time, so we did, yeah. And but I think people forget that we're out here and we want to hear that shit. Absolutely. We want to hear some dope shit, we want to hear shit that's clever, put together, and you know, and it doesn't necessarily have to be glorifying either, it could just be right just saying a story about some shit that you was around and you could relate to.

SPEAKER_09 52:52

It's a market for everything, man. Everything everybody trying to do is a market for. If you want to come out with an album about um, you know, digging in your nose and eating your books, man. It's a market for that. I don't know. Somebody gonna somebody gonna bump that shit in there.

SPEAKER_02 53:07

But I I say that to say that what you what you said is is facts. I do believe that, but I I think it's the way they're working, right? Like what I think the the older guys are trying to do what the the younger artists are doing, and you just can't no more, bro. You gotta do it a different yeah, man. Yeah, man. Well, not that you can, you could, but it's it's a it's gonna be a lot harder for you to enter into that, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_12 53:30

I think he's more so alluding to the lyricists kind of have this thing about the fact that like they think they should be recognized just off the lyricism alone. Fact, I I'm good enough lyrically, so that's why you should be looking, you know, or searching for me. Oh no, I had that. I think you had that. I felt like that. Because the guys who aren't lyrical, like you said, they're they're out there. Why are they getting these opportunities and they try? Yeah. They're out there like making sure, well, shit. I ain't nobody listening to me for the lyrics wise, so they I need to brush them by my business aspect. Right, exactly. I need to be moving in these areas as opposed to somebody who is lyrical and they feel like they got the talent. You know, it's almost like basketball, for instance. You know, like when you're just a straight up talented basketball player, like that's just it's in you. It's almost like they they don't hustle as hard as somebody who has to like work double time to like really like make it. Keep up with that skill type three point, like hitting every shot, you know what I'm saying? Because it didn't start off them being talented, right? You know, so that's kind of how I equate it, you know.

SPEAKER_09 54:38

Absolutely. Imagine, imagine being super lyrical and you out here grinding like Steve the Stoner.

SPEAKER_11 54:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 54:44

Imagine it. Just imagine you put those two things together and you out here like spitting, like, you know, you out here rapping like Corey Guns and shit. But you, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 54:52

No, see, but that but that's what I'm saying, though. I I get what you're saying, but I don't think that would work out, fam, because the people or the shit that Steve Stone Steve the Stoner was out there just in people's faces is a lot different from you know what, yeah, what the lyrics are. Yeah, what you're trying to, you know, the lyrics to say shit, so like you gotta listen to me and pay attention. Right, yeah, as opposed to Steve was just jumping in people's face, and like I guarantee 80% of the people wasn't hearing what you was talking about. Right. More of a, oh, I'm just loud music, he out here rapping, he cussing, and it's like, oh shit, it's a shock value. Right, right. So, you know, but I get what you're saying though. Like, if you out here, if you go get to it, but I feel like that's for anything, any anything in your fucking life. You go get to it, the the the people who you see are accomplished in whatever you're trying to do, it's because they went and fucking did it, bro.

SPEAKER_12 55:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:38

Big facts.

SPEAKER_12 55:40

Um, so what is your hip hop origin story? My hip hop origin story?

SPEAKER_09 55:45

Yeah, I've known you for a long time and I never knew. Um, man, you know, shit, man. I'm you know, I'm from Brown Street, man. I'm from, you know, um, I'm from north side of Milwaukee. Um my uncles used to watch me when my mom was at work. So they'll be, you know, listening to Spice One, Ghetto Boys, NWA, um, you know, things like that. Uh Spice One, uh E40 be legit. Like, you know, you know what I'm saying, you know. And um, so I grew up listening to that. I grew up listening to just hip hop, man. And I just grew up liking it. I grew up um in a musical household, so to speak. You know, and yeah, just it just happened naturally, man. I mean, it's um Are there any other musicians in your family? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, especially my dad's side, my my auntie played the bass, my grandma played the organ, my steppops played the guitar, he was a blues player. Um, yeah, so uh, you know, my my whole origin, as far as my origin in making music, I would say my steppops when I was like 11, you know, I used to um play music with him. He bought me a drum machine, and I used to program drums for him to play the guitar over. And that was my introduction to making beats. So I just started messing with the uh DR5 more, started making my own beats. Then I had got a um four-track false text recorder, started recording my own music, you know. So I was like 11 years old. And then, like when I started getting to 12, when I turned 12, that's when I started really getting into recording studios and stuff like that. Because I'll beg my mom, I'll go through the yellow pages and look up recording studios, and I'll call them and ask how much they charge for an hour, and I'll beg my mom for money for studio time. And I'll just be in the studio making songs and shit.

SPEAKER_13 57:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 57:42

At an early age, 12. Yeah. And I've been doing so I've been doing this music shit like in the studio, like recording songs since I was 12. Yeah. Let's go.

SPEAKER_12 57:51

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_09 57:52

Shout out to that.

SPEAKER_12 57:54

I already knew, like, when when uh when I was 13 is when I first started going to the studio. But my mom was a single mother, five kids. She was always at work, always had bills and shit. So like I was too afraid to ask my mom. Yeah, so I started working at uh the Boys and Girls Club, and I would use my money for that from that to go record in the studio.

SPEAKER_09 58:19

It wasn't cheap, man. Back in the you know, studio time was 50 and now it's it's still that pretty much nowadays, too. But you know, yeah, man, as a teenager, it's hard to come up with those.

SPEAKER_02 58:28

Well, I mean, $50 an hour back then was way more than $50 an hour now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, now it's like $125 would be the equivalent of that shit. Right. No, that's fact. No bullshit. It is a fact. Inflation, nigga Merca.

SPEAKER_12 58:43

Um, what's the most important lesson you've learned uh in life or music in your journey to this point?

SPEAKER_09 58:55

That's a good question, man. I learned a lot, man. I learned a lot. Uh I think my big the biggest takeaway is just don't give up. Don't give up, stay true to who you are, don't give up. Um things might not look how you want it to look now, but you know, just keep at it and just just hope for delayed gratification. You know what I mean? Yeah. Um just don't give up, man. You know, I it's many times I wanted to give up, trust me, you know what I'm saying? But I I love this shit too much, man. You know what I'm saying? Um You know, if I you know, if I don't want to feel defeated. If I give up, I'll feel like I got defeated. You know what I'm saying? No, that's a fact. And I'm a fighter, so you know what I mean, but you know, I love this shit too much, man. You know what I'm saying? So if you love it, you know, don't don't get don't give up. Don't give up. Just keep doing it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_12 59:47

Yeah. It's a simple uh simple lesson and a simple takeaway, but it the weight of it, the weight of those words and how you phrase them, um, it extends to much more than music. 100% because you know, there's even like when I think about like my gym journey, you know, like there's weight that like used I used to struggle with so much, like even like squatting, like I never used to be a squat type guy, you know. And then you know, I started competing and then I started going to competitions, and then I see these dudes with these massive legs, and I'm like, dog, like I look like I'm walking around with pencil sticks, you know, like so I'm like, all right, well, I I need to improve that. And then I started super small weight, you know, like 185 on a squad struggling, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:35

But you a big nigga, man.

SPEAKER_12 1:00:37

But like to to where I am today, just thinking of the fact, like I had to fail a lot of lifts in order to get to where I am today, you know. People all the time are like, dude, like you be going crazy and you live big every time. And I'm like, dude, like they don't see it, but like I have failed for damn near seven years straight. For you know, like just trying to get to the point of where I am today, you know, like how you said the the the delayed gratification, you know, into the days where I do have the successes, you know, like it's just it all stems from not giving up and having that fighter spirit.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:14

100%. 100%.

SPEAKER_12 1:01:16

So I appreciate that. No doubt. Big facts. Um next question I got for you. Uh, what compels you to create and what are some of your sources of inspiration?

SPEAKER_09 1:01:26

Life, man, life, man, memory. Um, I use my uh I use my PTSD as fuel. You know what I mean? I use my traumas as fuel. You know, um, you know, um I I can be happy that day and still pull out some darkness from the past and put it down on paper just because I know that okay, I want to get this across today, you know what I'm saying? Um yeah, just just life, man. Life and I treat this shit like it's a diary sometimes, man. I just gotta get it out. Yeah, you gotta get that energy out, man. If it's like, you know, um, you know, if something, whatever's in you that's killing you, man, you know, sometimes you gotta have surgery and get it out of you, man. And you know, music allows me to do it, do that. You know what I mean? Rather I'm making the beat or rather I'm writing, writing the verse, music allows me to do that. Or rather just creating in general, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_12 1:02:24

Right. Yeah, that's like having the outlet and I like how you worded the the PTSD part and you know, using that as fuel. Because I I you know I have a lot of people in my life that you know they've been through traumatic experiences and they let their they might be letting them traumatic experiences lead them to a uh down a path of destruction. 100%. You know, and in my mind, you know, like I use the gym as like an outlet and I use my music as an outlet. So in my mind, I'm like, you know, why don't you use that and a feel it's a feel something good? But in their mind, you know, they might not be thinking like that, you know. So I always try to um see both sides of the coin, but yeah, and then coming from me, you know, you know how like you receive something different depending on who might be telling you. Yeah, you know, so it's like they probably see me and uh me talking to them, they might receive it different as opposed to like you saying it, you know, or you know, Heck saying it or just anybody who they don't know on a personal level or they haven't known since they were both children, and you know, so yeah, man, I'll be dead if it wasn't for this rap shit.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:40

I ain't gonna lie, man. I don't know where I'll be, man. Cause this shit really like really, really saved my life, man. Like it really did. Like, yeah, for real, for real. Like in in every sense of of the word, man, it really did. Cause it's it's it's a lot of a lot of other things that I could have been doing. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_11 1:03:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

For a long time, I what fucking 20 years straight. I could have been doing some straight bullshit. Yeah. I was in the first half, though. First, first half was rough, man. First half was rough. I was rapping and doing a lot of bullshit.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:12

Yeah, you was definitely muffing, muffin out, G. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:15

I was definitely like trying, you know, to balance that shit. And I, you know, I always wanted to be, you know, in any situation, I want to be, I wanted to be like the the Milwaukee rapper that didn't leave, or I want to be the the street nigga that still rap, but I can still be both. You know what I'm saying? Like, and that shit don't fucking work, bro. Like, you gotta pick pick poison, fam. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09 1:04:34

It worked for a little while when you're younger, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:36

But as you get older, you have kids and all that. But but then you see it's not didn't really work. Yeah, it was you was scraping by, you was surviving, right? Right. Surviving the the shit that was going on, but it's like with 50 Cent, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:49

It's like when 50 Cent came out. I always talk about this shit. Like, like I knew who 50 Cent was before he got signed to drain them and shit like that, but it was like when he when he was when he came out with them, and it's like you seen that thing that's going on, you was on the edge of your seat, like duh, somebody gonna blow this nigga up, bro. You can't shoot him, you have to throw a grenade in his car or something. Like, you just like when pins and needles wondering if something was gonna happen to this man, bro. Like, what the hell, though?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:16

He beefing with everybody, but it's like but as you you know but well, you know, as you get older and mature and shit, you realize he was already out, yeah. He was out of the bullshit, right? He was just using that shit as a fucking marketing thing, exactly, exactly to blow himself up to the fucking one of the biggest debut albums ever.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:34

Crazy, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:35

One of the biggest, you know, but when you're like you said, when back then we thought that shit was 1000% you was in the shit, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And uh I knew it wasn't like that when that shit with the game happened. When the game started beefing with him, yeah, and he was like all through New York and shit, and he was like, 'Cause you know, the game had a whole documentary, nigga. This is before vlogs and shit. He had that shit follow him around New York.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:00

they was they was fucking running up on the fucking hip hop detective the police hey y'all want some donuts nigga like straight up bro they was in the call every day get the fuck out of here bro like like no we see y'all following us and they went to his house in Connecticut and that's when I knew bro that's not when I knew but that that was stop snitching stop lying DVD you want to stop snitch line that DVD was funny as shit started you know see you not see that that's when in my mind I was like hold on bro I thought you was in the street nigga you ain't gonna if if in the street if you would have been in my neighborhood like that I gotta come see you you know what I'm saying yeah yeah and it's like they was in there talking hella shit talking shit about yeah yo everybody man fuck them niggas them niggas bitches like at the we all West Coast niggas in New York nigga riding around this shit I was like what the fuck I remember that DVD I had the bootleg of that shit I ain't gonna hold you I'm gonna have the bootleg bootleg of that shit he had the bootleg of the bootleg and shit already bootleg his head the gas station version somebody wrote on it with a magic marker on snitching stop vibes just like that yeah failed snitching wrong facts he did yeah um last question I got for you how can the all four one for all podcast audience find your content oh yeah man um Apple Music Spotify man um YouTube uh Mechamalo M-E-C-C-A-H M-A-L-O-H-G-G-C-U-L-Let's roll into these MKE music reviews all right man we're gonna start off with the guest pick Mecca pick Tay Spears kill walkie white picking song bro man first of all Tay Spears my man's bro me and Tay Spears that that's been my homie since K4 I'm proud of him man he got a solid project man called the Dare Milwaukee man he dropped it on 414 day and um that's one of my favorite tracks yep okay I like I like the uh the simplicity but the message behind this cover art bro yes fire he got top five portion or in the US yeah Tay Spears nice man over 50% of black men in the 30s serve time in state prison violent crime a scout yeah you know and it's just simply just him clean picture him sitting there DM Milwaukee and he got like he wrote these down like hey this is what's going on fam so let's check it out it's Tay Spears called Kill Walkie let's go he killed this shit too he killed this goal we got less than most of it please don't we can go away because I feel like it don't again still must be dunked I promise we don't win but let's put this one up and still like that meaning they like this comes with the but I'm stuck in it I'm gonna go to the end and I'm fine I'm gonna put that stuff in my chance I'm stuck in the three stuff again clean up this thing we're taking that meat on that you think I'm lying and you question what I'm saying place in these case I got love for my city but this fact is the statement that these little bitches throwin' in the city I was raised in and I'm not wishing good luck to none of y'all better get the dumbass than you're pinning a justice ball get better at the crap and fast but I'm applying pressure to every last one of y'all to this the body and who gon' stop me this is God's work. A lining order to the job where I'm starting with y'all first then these mobile cats can get it I'm doing them jobs worse cause in five years they gon' be locked up but then I hear started first and you can shoot the messenger no backing down giving three verses one of the ways I'm packing round the pound for pound who did this better than what is poppin' out and got the nerve to say we hate when you niggas down and found you flash patch while I make bank deposits spit bars you pop bars let's be honest don't steal cars with prop money in your pocket and it's this dude my city think it's poppin' nigga stop it I'm starting to think y'all go for image not the product well I was made in the image of the father shout out to those who ain't out here spittin' garbage the rest of these niggas got a problem and I got 'em Tay motherfucking Spears man goddamn I fuck with that even like the the hook in the verse yeah just think of the whole fucking three minute fucking no hook I was like I gotta let it ride because that shit was no he snapped though I didn't know he was like that fam I promise you yeah Tay Spears is like that I did not know he was like that fam that shit was valid he was talking his shit man shout out to Tay Spears man I called him too when I when I first heard that I called him I was like bro you gotta relax bro because he was talking he was talking about some rappers on there for real if you listen to it he was kind of he was kind of dissing some Milwaukee rappers he didn't say their names I thought he was about to say I'm about to I thought he was listening close I thought he was about to be like he was uh dissing some nigga illy look no it wasn't this no it was no you can tell he was dissing niggas who can't rap yeah yeah all right man that beat though what he did his job on there too like the beat switch he did his job perfectly executed he got a different style so a little thing about it I'm gonna listen to more of his music but it's like it's a little thing about how he raps it's it's a little different and I I couldn't catch exactly what what I want to say but I'm gonna listen to more of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:08

See the thing is with Tay all his projects are different so it's like you know um he don't rap like it's crazy like one album be just for the ladies one album he'll be rapping one album he'd got concept records records yeah he got concept records that's what's up though that that that's what I I like concept records bro especially if you stay on the concept man so let's get to my pick real quick this is called the concrete well no I'm tripping I'm looking at the artwork this is called Make It Make Sense off of the concrete code by Sean Guala uh I was riding to this this weekend and I just remembered this is one of my favorite songs out of the hometown. I was like I'm playing this next week because this is my shit you know he's different bro Sean Guala is I don't even is he a singer a rapper he just he just Sean Guala bro he just show up and kill shit he's just the artist and he be going crazy but shout out to Sean Guala's make it make sense let's go whole different sound on their ass this my shit right here really put that on my mother and let me in the cuddle then I came back with a bag for the hunters I ain't like the others they was gonna let me fall to I was up I was up your boy blessed make it up make it make sense I got my back smoke feels I love tell me how I lose it all just to make it all back make it make sense man that's my shit I like that I like that me the heck remix I went got my back I got lost my friends that nigga went crazy on there bro that shit fire that's I like that so that's uh one of the albums that I still play in the shop what bro every song on there is valid bro that that that whole that whole album to me is is just amazing fam like he went and did his shit bro dangerous scavengers uh conversations with Mary Jane bro that song come on bro shout out to Sean Guala man the concrete code he keeps calling me bro he calls me like every three months bro yeah man you you know I got some plans you know I'm thinking I'm gonna like bro just do this I'm ready and you don't even call me until you ready and I'm gonna I'm gonna bust the move with you bro if you want to do it let's do it fam like I fuck with you like that shout out to Guala families we got Illy's pick this is Blocker let's go Blocker finally got you on this motherfucker bro he got that new work fan Blocker Big Live 414 who the boss is it's a mic drop for uh Ocean Legacy let's go Southside in this bitch yeah this shit goes to the margin of the one I think what is that too much like it's fake and they fake the baby free and still stop it stop you and stop you really like that ain't no freaking over here we really like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:05

If I call a bro we bring it pose and ain't no fighting back I just turn my hair right on myself call right back.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

This another one of them ones that I was in a gym I was in the gym when I fucking heard this shit I'm like easy now gotta give me one of those mic drops man from Ocean Legacy man he may he be having those deals every now and again too many those hundred dollar hollers man I ain't paying for that shit bro not paying you to be your product fam if you need me fam holla at me fam yeah no it's no but uh it's fire no it's fire I was just gonna say bro that fucking scenery is amazing familiar that fucking wherever he's got that shit set up that shit looks fucking great bro but you know that's cool that's love fam I can't fuck with you he need me to come fuck with you bro but I ain't paying you for that shit bro that's crazy no but uh uh fucking blocker bro he got that fucking voice bro and I I have hooks that I literally have him in mind where he says something like that yeah like the way he says it his voice is perfect for that for a hook um and we just never got around to it you know but I had a hook that was like real tough like that you know I was like who can I find out blocker but the people he got that voice you know and then then blocker one of them ones fam like I don't even gotta say nothing you just you know if if you he like to me he like a he like a Milwaukee I don't want to say nothing too crazy but like he reminded me of like like a trick trick type oh okay you know like he really with that shit bro you know what I'm saying but he a business man he handle his shit you know what I'm saying and he don't really he don't pop out with the music like that but when he do he do his shit you know what I mean so let's go shout out to Block and shout out to Big Loud I might actually be mistaken who I hit that hook for there's a dude named Brett right that's him Brett oh okay yeah then it was him I didn't know that till Facebook you know that's how you know on some ghetto shit I thought his name was I thought your name was really Blocker look at that look at but yeah shout out to them and they bros bro I didn't know that I found that out late in life too but that these niggas is brothers so him and random or the big live forum for you know he got eight names and shit right but that nigga be doing this shit too let's go man Southside in this bitch all right uh let's roll into these topics I know you have uh something that you want to talk about we we can we can I just wanted to talk about if anybody heard the Drake shit and what they thought about it. Because I think he's a bit I'll talk this shit. No I just wanted to you know uh just put it out there you know like uh how the game grabs things and holds on to them and then it's uh we we're we're in a very hypocritical type of uh situation when it comes to hip hop and rap because uh I think there's a war for what the culture is right now. You know what I mean? Like what what really is the culture and what represents it. You know and I have strong feelings about that shit. And then it it it it's almost to the point where sometimes I feel like somebody I think I know them well enough to think oh they're gonna agree with this because there's no other way to go about it. You know what I mean? And I'll be completely wrong and like what you mean bro like don't nobody want to hear that Kendrick bullshit and they be trying to act like he's some type of like weird and I'm like bro the battle I'm just saying the overall message like what are we really talking about you know I mean so you know to me that beef shit is cool but I feel like if you say hip hop is represented or is representative of black culture and then you don't want to be um uh parallel to crime and violence and shit like that but then you give the person who is making all this headlines and big shit about beef you know I'm saying you can't say one or the other is what I'm saying. Right. You know you can't be like oh well you can't put hip hop with the violence and the crime and all that shit and make it black culture you know say but now this nigga gets to use that because he's half black. Right but he's beefing.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:02

You know you know I don't know if I'm even saying it right but it's like bro there's a line that's being crossed here bro and I just want to I thought the line I mean I like I said I don't I didn't really follow a lot of it I just know um it was some lawsuit shit going on. That's a whole other aspect. Yeah it was Drake and his label um suing because and then I just saw what last week a couple of Kendrick Lamar projects was like took off Apple or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:28

That's that was false though I mean I mean it could have been I checked when I seen that and all my shit was on mine. Oh okay because you know I fuck with GNX bro G and X to me was a fucking 1000% solid album fuck with it. You know what I'm saying? And sonically I fuck with the new Drake shit too I only heard the Iceman I didn't hear the other two but sonically I fuck with the Drake shit. It sounded great it's just like bro I can't listen to it the same anymore. I can't I can't partake fam.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:54

I can't sit here and be like yeah bro I'm about to I think for me once once the word got out that he wasn't pending his own material I kind of fell back it kind of killed the whole thing you know what I mean I fell back from because I feel like uh I I always be thinking these crazy ass uh analogies in my mind and shit I was gonna say anomaly but these crazy ass analogies but it's like bro if you found out that somebody did some super fucking weirdo shit like beat the fuck out of his fucking three ex-girlfriends or something and then you was like oh well this is 20 years later now you got that jacket on you fam.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:32

You will always have that jacket on you because it it was it came out and it turned out to be true. So I don't care if you had 20 girls since this last since the three you was beating the shit out of her you kind of got that on you now familiar. And let's just say you didn't beat the one that's saying it now 20 girls later if she says it's gonna be like oh I don't know bro we gotta kind of take it into consideration that you have done this before. Obviously that's a super drastic analogy I don't know why I just super drastic.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:02

For me I have to with with that shit because I I I feel what you're saying with the direction of you know being at war on with where the culture is gonna go you know but when I listen to Drake shit I almost have to treat his shit as if I'm listening to an actor's fact like scripting and shit like that. But do you think that he's listening to an actor act do you think that he feels like an actor when he's doing that no then that's the problem like he fucking in his mind he thinks this shit is real life but everybody else is looking at him like nigga no it's fun it's fun it's a we're having a good time bro you got because he got some shit on there bro he got some shit on there bro he said some shit where like rapping wise I was like damn what is he rapping about because I I saw like I didn't listen to it but it's it seemed like some of the songs okay like one of the last songs I listened to was What Did I miss I think the name of the song is that's oh that's the one before this yeah yeah so I'm listening somebody posted it's crazy because that's one of my favorite songs I fuck with it it sounds great somebody made a post somebody made a post saying like Drake Drake can't Drake went from making songs about women breaking his heart to making songs about men breaking his heart that shit had me dying dog that's what it sounds like that's what it sounds like this whole Iceman project is like that yeah I'm good like the he literally the whole thing is he's uh addressing everybody who did anything to him in that time and it took you two years to do it but either way you you're the whole thing you're addressing now what I'm saying is I need people to understand bro sonically it's fucking wonderful right it sounds good he's rapping he got good lyrics and if he was you know a little more authentic in the way he was speaking about the shit that shit would hit yeah that shit would hit because you like oh he talking shit he talking the shit but it's like you not really you know and then two things can be true at once bro you could be you could have been suing and all that shit because you're trying to change the game and you're trying to fucking fix it for future artists and it was the wrong time motherfucker two things can be true at once man you did it at the worst possible time for your fucking self bro like because it looks terrible the myth of him being up is what I'm saying like he was up and then you was like oh I'm gonna sue these niggas like and it's and that's that's what makes it challenging too because it's like he did it he does it might have did it at the wrong possible time but also you know there's a point at into which uh if he didn't do it when he did it then he couldn't he probably wouldn't have been able to do it at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:47

So it's like again two things can be true at once it's fucked up for you bro like but when when you're trying to like sue you know these big fucking record labels and shit like that like

SPEAKER_12 1:28:02

There's a point where like they could fucking win and have all the fucking evidence they want and fucking you know they they got time stipulations and their contracts and all of this shit. Everything it's like he has to execute the shit damn near to the T if he wants it. Cause it's almost like the shit with uh you know, I'm pretty sure like small business owners go through this shit on a smaller scale, but like we gotta have certain documents in by a certain time before we hit get hit with added fees and fucking you know like there's some shit where like if I don't fucking register the business every other year or every year and the report then then they'll fucking send me a letter and try to shut down the business and shit. I'm like, I got all this other fucking want ten dollars and a fucking report and shit, like the fuck you know, so it's a it's a lot of crazy shit, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:56

And I'm pretty sure on an even grander scale now these niggas are doing fucking contractual agreements and shit where it's where it's like well no, we're talking, we're talking billions, billions of dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like I get it. Like there's I get it. I get the whole fucking the need to be, you know, of the of you wanting to do that.

SPEAKER_12 1:29:17

But you know, and then the side thought that I have was like, dude, how do you think he feels in his head? Is like you ever uh see when they report on rappers or not rappers, uh actors, and they're like, um, you know, this actor fucking lived six months in this character before the movie was shot. Right, right, yeah, yeah. Like that's a crazy story.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:38

That's what he's doing, didn't he? Yeah, hell yeah. I think it was in their pussy.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:42

He's in character outside of the movie and shit. Like, it's like with Tupac played juice.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:47

Tupac paid Tupac played in Juice and couldn't get out of character, he never he never came out of it. Never came out again. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:54

For the record, bro, for the record, since he brought that up before we switch the subject real quick, because we're about to hit this last topic. But listen, I hate when niggas be like, bro, Tupac was an actor and shit too. So, like, why is Drake? And I'm like, bro, first of all, Tupac really popped that thing, fam. He shot uh Drake has never been in a situation.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:10

He shot two off-duty police officers, two of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:13

Fuck you mean because they was fucking with some because they was because they was fucking with a black nigga on the street. Yeah. Fuck you mean, fam. He really did that. So who cares if he was an actor? He really went and did that shit. He really got popped five fucking times. And he got off, too. And he and he got off people, you feel what I'm saying? He was really doing that shit. So who gives a fuck if he was an actor and all that shit? This nigga has never done anything like that. So I hate when they bring that comparison up. That's one of the things he was. That's one of the exact.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:42

He was in a wheelchair on the grassy though. You know what I'm saying? He got history of the entertainment. He was in. No, I mean I'm saying, like he got that's your resume. Yeah, that's that's your jacket. Your jacket. Before you got on as a rapper or whatever, you know what I'm saying? You was the little dude in the wheelchair on the Nickelodeon show, which is it's still a flex. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:03

You did your shit. I'm just saying it's not, it's not what they're trying to compare to.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:06

I just wanted to bring that up because I'm you can't rap like that, and we know you were the kid in the wheelchair on the Nickelodeon show, bro. It's not it's not gonna work on that. Oh, that's a fact.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:14

But overall, fam, sonically, he did what he always does. It's fucking great music. I just can't rock with it all the way, but I'm fucking there's some shit on there.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:23

I'm not a Drake fan, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:25

I was Aiden Ross with streams before Aiden Ross was streaming, bro. Yeah, that shit is fucking call, bro. Like, if I was Rick Ross, I would be Cuba Gooden Jr. fucking punching the fucking air, crying. Don't he don't mad as hell, bro, because killed my life, fam.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:42

Like, I would be like I don't think Drake ever, I don't think Drake ever like had a song or said anything really that like really hit me that really like made me like, damn, dog Drake one of the ones. Like I never heard same thing with Kendrick. I never heard that. I never heard like a song like dog Kendrick, damn, he one of the ones. Like, you know, I probably heard that. That's facts too, though, because I don't feel like that either. I probably I probably heard that from I heard that from Nipsey. Yeah, like dude cole. Like I heard that from Nip. I heard that from a lot of other casts, man, but I never really got that. I never really got that from them. Like, dog, these niggas. Even J. Cole. I never got that from J. Cole. Never. I got some songs I can show you right now. I never got that from Jake. My guy J. Car is gonna be we gonna don't gonna kill me, man.

SPEAKER_12 1:32:21

But like whenever I have heard a song from uh from Kendrick that had me like, okay, fucking, because that's I didn't used to like Kendrick when I first got put on to him. Like, I was like, I can't fuck with this. The voice changing and all that.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:35

Yeah, me neither. It was it was a he's doing it was a learning curve looking at this.

SPEAKER_12 1:32:39

Yeah, and then as I was like, you know, every year, every other year be hit with a new album or something like that. I was like, okay, I see what he's doing here, and then he fucking one of the songs had it was it was tough, and I was like, all right, no, this nigga the truth. All right, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:56

I like what those um I like what those upstate New York niggas doing, man, Buffalo niggas, man. I like them.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:02

See, and I can fuck with that, I can fuck with that for uh a period of time. Yeah, like it only gets me, but I can't believe you said that about Cole, bro. Who the fuck is you? You heard that? I never really I never really Who the fuck is you, bro? The nigga, the nigga just be rapping his ass off, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:15

No, he got the songs I like, but it's not like it's not he didn't say something like he didn't really like, bro. I feel like that yeah, you know he he ain't really say nothing yet to me that really made me like damn, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:28

Okay No, I feel you though I feel you, but that that's that's definitely how I feel about the uh the other two for sure. Yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure. You know, J.

SPEAKER_12 1:33:35

Cole's recent shit. I like that uh crocodile tears. Yeah, bro. He got some shit, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:39

Oh, he got some shit. J. C Cole got oh, you know what? No, I took J. Cole killed the um damn what's the name of that shit, man, with uh Benny, bro. The uh the shit he got with Benny is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:51

Why the fuck? I can't think of the name of the song. I know what you're talking about though.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:53

The uh Jim Jim Jermaine, wait, Jermaine's no, I forgot. Something's Cadillac. Big Daddy's Caddy, Caddy, Caddy, something caddy. Johnny's Cadillac. Johnny, Johnny's Caddy, yeah. Man, Cole, now he did spaz on that. That's like my favorite Cole verse. I don't know why, but he like, God damn, Cole, chill.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:11

Yeah, no, yeah, he went.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:13

But other than that, like he got some, and he got the um his freestyle that he had up on LA Leakers. I I actually like that. I actually like J Cole. Yeah, yeah. I like J. Cole more than I like the other two. But you know what I mean? Facts.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:25

Yeah, but that apology should fuck my life up, bro. Yeah, he shouldn't just do that. Just so we on the podcast, fam. I defended this nigga for like two years. Yeah. And then it came out that Schoolboy Q did, in fact, never tell him anything like that. So fuck it. I was talking about he tripping.

unknown 1:34:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:42

I could respect it, but like, you know, after that, bro, you can't diss nobody no more.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:47

You can't you gotta kind of fall off that.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:49

You can't engage in lyrical combat no more, bro. You can't because it's like dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:54

It hurts my heart to be agree with that, you know. It hurts my heart, bro. Because I know Cole fucking both of them up. But he did.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:00

Like when he dropped the Mike Delia, I'm like, oh damn, he got something here. He killed that shit. But then it's like when he, you know, I think that kind of turned me off of the battle, too. It's like, oh, niggas quitting, I'm good. This shit's fake. This ain't from this ain't the rap battles. This ain't the rap battles from my era at all, bro. Like, I'm good on this one. This that's how I looked at it. Like, this is a weak ass rap battle, bro. Niggas quitting this shit. Like, no, I'm good. Yeah, y'all, y'all can y'all can have this one, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_12 1:35:24

Well, and that's because we're from a time, you know, everybody in this room is from a time where you could fight a nigga and then be cool with a nigga after you fight them. You know what I'm saying? Like, you could you could and then shake a nigga hand after that.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:35

I'm from the real, I'm from the real rap battle era. I'm from the era of Jada versus uh uh uh uh beans, you know what I'm saying? I'm I'm from the era of uh L Cool J versus cannabis and shit like that. I'm from the era of that. I'm from Nas and Jay-Z and uh Ice Cube versus Common. I'm from that, bro. Like this shit, like.

SPEAKER_12 1:35:56

But what I'm saying is like, you know, these niggas made it out to seem like uh, you know, like niggas was finna really go to war and it was finna end up to be like Pac and Biggie. What are you talking about? And that's what I'm saying. Like these niggas all new, like everybody else uh knows, like y'all not all that that nah hold on though, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:17

See, this is where I'm fucking tripping because y'all people can't say that, and then it's acceptable for this nigga to drop two years later with an entire album about being in his feelings about it. It's serious for you, yeah, yeah because you bro, you he's literally dissing LeBron James, putting it out there that he cheated on his wife, nigga. Now that's snitching. Like, bro, you put it out there that he cheated on his wife because he was at the concert. So that to me takes it past entertainment, nigga. Now you salty, you're pissed off, you're you're in your feelings about it.

SPEAKER_12 1:36:45

No, no, I'm not thinking I'm not saying niggas can't be in their feelings this shit, because obviously he is, but like I'm saying, like there's a difference between uh motherfuckers being in his feelings about the battle type shit, and then motherfuckers willing to act on some shit. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_09 1:37:00

I can't and where the Drake is not about to act on how Drake is a highly, a highly emotional person, bro. On records, man. Like, I'd be like, damn, bro. Like, I'd be like, you know, I listen to some of the Drake tracks. I'd be like, bro, it's more women out here, bro. It's okay. Like, you know, I'm not just that.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:16

The nigga fuck everybody bitch, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:18

He do.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:18

So what well, how are you still sad about bitches, bro? Yeah, you had every bitch. Yeah, you had all the bitches, bro. What are you what are you sad about for him?

SPEAKER_12 1:37:26

Yeah, all right. So we probably ain't gonna have enough time for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:29

My bad, bro. And he still ain't. I appreciate y'all. I appreciate y'all. Uh, did he re did he did Drake ever respond to Pusha T? Yeah, he well, yeah, yeah. He tried, he lost that one too. He lost that one like a month. Nigga said he lost. That's what I'm saying. And then he again, another situation where he brought the wife into it. Yeah, yeah. You bring you be bringing the personal shit into it. And then you on heart six, like, I know you were gonna be like that, man. That's crazy, bro. Like, I can't believe you. Like, he literally brought that man child up. Bro, I'm good, bro. I'm good. I'm not even gonna, I'm not even gonna talk to you no more. He literally talking just like that on the end of a song. At the end of the last rap battle song you drop.

unknown 1:38:08

That's why.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:08

You taking it too far, bro. Like, I'm good, I'm just gonna fall back. Like, and then two years later, you drop a whole project about the shit. You know what I'm saying? Alright. It's crazy, but it still slaps. No doubt.

SPEAKER_12 1:38:19

So, Mecca, man, thank you very much for thank you all, dude. Uh joining us on the R414 podcast. Um, like we said earlier in the episode, man, you're you're one of the uh your GOAT material when it comes to this uh uh rapping shit, Padmaster shit here in the city. So um, you know, much flowers and much salutes, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:44

Yeah, super appreciate that. Super salute to you, bro. You know you're one of my bros, fam. So no doubt, man. It's been a long time, fam. And you uh, like I said, not only are you currently releasing shit, still performing, killing it, which I'm gonna put a snippet of that uh I break bread, ribs. Oh, okay. I'm gonna put a little snippet in there just you know just to uh show it because that's one of my when I heard that I was like, oh yeah, and then I went and listened to it. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:11

Recipes prodigy, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:12

But of course, uh like I said, you are currently dropping shit, and yeah, you a legacy act to me, fam. You've been out here doing that shit and you've been out rapping niggas for a long time, fam. So appreciate that, man.

SPEAKER_12 1:39:23

So that concludes this episode of the R414R podcast brought to you by Illy, Street Team Hectic, Third War Studios, SG Films, and our guest for episode 43, Mechamalo.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:39

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SPEAKER_12 1:39:48

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SPEAKER_02 1:40:02

Stop crying rap.