All 414 All Podcast Episode 42 W/ Ellsworth

Episode 42 The veteran artist-formed duo, Ellsworth, composed of Quise Picasso and Omari Kamau come through with a performance that displays real emcee energy and a duo chemistry unmatched! We speak on their journeys and obstacles, Quise's book 'The Order of the Lycan' and topics about being in the right room and when to tour at the right moment!!

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SPEAKER_11 0:47

Else worth it just make a screen change like the sneak change. If you take it to what they're still believed in days, believe in me of women, let me call this button from my bear chains. I'm still over with your head and dump it down. I've not got this.

SPEAKER_10 2:51

Motherfucker.

SPEAKER_08 3:00

That's my kind of rap right there. Fucking militant.

unknown 3:09

Damn.

SPEAKER_12 3:10

Bro, another one. Hold on, man. Heckin' Ily with the double verse coming soon. We can't have this, man. We can't stand for this. What the fuck? That was crazy. These duos coming through like that chemistry is insanity, fam. Insanity fan. And then I heard that song before. Yeah. Didn't even know it was the song because y'all was doing it so the back and forth. And I'm like, this is good. I caught a couple bars.

SPEAKER_04 3:35

I'm like, oh, I know this song is crazy.

unknown 3:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 3:37

No, y'all went crazy, fam. Shout out to Ellsworth, man. We got Keith Picasso, Amari Kamal. Yeah. Go. You the first one that got it right on the first try. For sure. I had to look like.

SPEAKER_08 3:52

Dog, and the I I fuck with the other half of the duel, knowing your verse, and you know, he was damn near rapping the whole verse. I'm like, God damn.

SPEAKER_12 4:04

So I like it That's how we that's how we move, man. Yeah. You could tell. No, you could that shit come off fucking flawlessly, bro. Y'all, the way y'all was uh ending each other's bars where it needed to, and it just even when y'all didn't end it for him, it still sounded cold when you said it together. So you're feeling it's a lost art, man. Facts, facts.

SPEAKER_08 4:25

Let's get it, man. I love shit like that, man. That was that was insane. All right. Mike Check, you now tapped into the R414R podcast, where hometown artistry is supported, recorded, and awarded an interview from the number one platform in the city. Before we dive into today's episode, take a brief moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell so you can stay updated on future episodes as we continue to bring the truest talent our hometown has to offer. I am your host, the 414 Tycoon, more commonly known as Illy. And joining me as co-host is my lyrical brethren, the verbal executionist, Street Team Hectic. These episodes are brought to you out of the Third War Studios, and behind the lens, we got SG Films. Joining us for episode 42, we got one of the most charismatic duos the hometown has to offer. They not only bring intensity to every venue they touch, but their unwavering command of the mic has stood the test of time. Without further impediment, the R414R podcast welcomes Omari Kamal and Keith Picasso, better known as Ellsworth. What's the word? What's the word? Let's start. I like that.

SPEAKER_12 5:39

Definitely. Let's go.

SPEAKER_08 5:40

I mean, it helps that you guys have a uh a nice polished website where I could go read your bio. I learned a lot about you guys just by taking a stroll through your website. Yeah, I hit him.

SPEAKER_12 5:57

I was like, hey, this is the Ellsworth, the guest we have in, and I already knew. That's why I sent it to him. I'm like, I know he's gonna like this.

SPEAKER_08 6:03

You know, I learned the fact that y'all got label mates and y'all got a whole rundown, whole family going on over there.

SPEAKER_12 6:09

It's more we it ain't completely finished, but it's more going up there. You know what I'm saying? But we really did that too because streaming ain't paying us, so we like you know, did it straight off of the website, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 6:21

I mean, streaming ain't paying nobody that ain't on a label.

SPEAKER_12 6:26

So no, but uh my my my first question right off rip, fam, is uh do y'all feel like y'all rapping the best you ever have? No, not I don't not yet or from the previous, like to this day. I think I think I'm there, but I still play, I still dumb it down because a lot of people ain't gonna catch. Like, I got songs that nobody ever heard where they'll be they might have to play it over and over, like, yo yeah. You know what I'm saying? So my best is not out yet. That's what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_10 6:59

Okay, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 7:00

Too much for this new generation.

SPEAKER_10 7:03

Man, I'm I'm I'm polished. I ain't even gonna lie, man. That's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? Like, I put I it's a pat I got a passion for it. So, you know, we put that we put that passion into this music, so that's where you get it from. That's what you're gonna get. Facts.

SPEAKER_12 7:20

For sure. I know the only reason I asked that is because uh apart from Amari, I mean Kees, I've been on the scene with Keith for well over a decade. Well over. You know what I'm saying? And I always knew you was cold, but I just feel like that Last of Us project to me was like the epitome. Well, I'm gonna say this is how I feel. I feel like I'm coming to kill, but I'm not coming to overkill yet. Okay. You get what I'm saying? Like I'm gonna kill something, but if I let the true me go, yeah, it's overkill. And that's what I meant by you. You you saying, like, nah, yet. Yeah, I still ain't unleashed. Yeah, okay. That's all I've got.

SPEAKER_08 7:56

So maybe like back in the day, you used to just spray up everything. Now you ain't wasting bullets.

SPEAKER_12 8:00

Nah, I'm I'm hitting my target, I'm just not gonna overkill. Yeah, it is it's basically if Superman really used his full force and power. Yeah, yeah, right. Well, that happened. Right now, right, right now I'm just Superman saving the world. But if I use my full force and small V Superman fuck the world, you know what I'm saying? Super keys. No, facts. I just asked that question because uh, you know, I I feel like I haven't reached that yet either. Like there's just I haven't I haven't dropped the shit I know is gonna be that, you know. And as from a consumer point of view, that Last of Us project, bro, to me, I'm like, and then there's some songs that I might have skipped the first time just on some I'm trying to hear the you know, I'm trying to hear the hard hitting shit. But like earlier today, I was doing some cleaning up and shit, and I just had that shit running. And I'm like, oh, there's not a song on here that I would change if it was just running in the background. You know what I'm saying? If it's just playing, I'm just vibing to it, I'm listening to the words. I wouldn't necessarily be like, nah, fuck this song. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Because there's some songs where it'll stop me dead in my nah, I gotta change this song. You know what I'm saying? Like I'll be at work or something, and there's a song I'll come on, I'm like, no, switch motherfucker. I'm on my headphones, hurry up. Fuck this song, you know what I'm saying? So that's the only reason I ask, because you know, like I said, I know you for a long time, bro. But the way y'all came together on that project, bro, it's it's immaculate, fam. You know what I'm saying? And I told y'all that last time I seen y'all perform too. Yeah, because uh another one I knew Keys could perform, bro. We've been doing it for a long time, bro. So it's like you know, I know that, but it's still so refreshing and new that when I seen y'all the last time, when we was right up the street over here, I was like, dog, what? Like, bro, what the what are we what are we talking about, fam? Like he really didn't say nothing to us. He walked up to us and said, May 17th. You know, okay, so so baby, in my mind, I was like, bro, what the fuck is brought? You know, because hey, that's real shit though. That's real shit. That's that's love, bro. That's like, you know, again, time hasn't stopped you. If anything, I I hear your music more now, and I'm intaking it more now, and it's the best to me I've heard, you know what I mean? So I appreciate that. It do come to be a problem. You gotta be there. It do come it do come with growth too, though. Like, I mean, you even know all the stuff I went through, losing Hollywood and brother, and and it comes with it comes with that growth too, like from where we started. But I also was trying to fit in the trends back then, instead of being true to myself and my art form. Now I'm back on that, and and he he on that. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? That's a fact. Because I definitely know exactly what you mean. That chasing uh not cha I wouldn't say necessarily chasing trends, but you know, you want to be trying to go, yeah. You want to be seeing, you want to be able to hear what you gotta say, you know what I'm saying? So you like I gotta I gotta kind of conform a little bit to this shit just to get the the the looks, you know.

SPEAKER_08 10:54

I wouldn't call it chasing trends, I'd more so use the uh words remaining relevant. Type. Okay, yeah, yeah. Because you try to stay relevant with what's going on in the time because if you fall too far from the sound of what you say, like a decade or something like that, then nobody's trying to listen for what you're talking about because it's it's like wearing retro clothes before they're considered like cool and retro. You know what I'm saying? Like niggas was wearing jinkle jeans. So you know, like if you catch a motherfucker with some jinkle jeans on or some shit like that, you know.

SPEAKER_12 11:30

They actually came back. That's crazy you said that. Yeah, but he ain't it's nobody in the hood type shit. I don't know. I've just seen a bunch of kids in those ugly ass shacks. Their first joints, too. He said the first joints. Like, I'm like, hold on, they bring it out there.

SPEAKER_08 11:47

But like uh how I think of it too is like uh the Jabot jeans, yeah. Like how I'm waiting for those guests. They came back, yeah. The Jabot jeans, the motherfuckers been wearing them. Hell no. I see them. I see them. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's why that's why we didn't see them.

SPEAKER_12 12:04

I wouldn't wear no skinny Jabots, bro. So what they got? The skinny jeans, Jaboz with the big Jabo jack. Big ass strap on the skinny leg.

SPEAKER_08 12:13

They look just like the older Jabods, but they're just like a little they don't look like firemen pants no more. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_12 12:20

Fireman pants. That's what they offer.

SPEAKER_08 12:24

That's what they used to work.

SPEAKER_12 12:30

Look, a lot of us used to wear with Tim so I could really see them.

SPEAKER_08 12:36

They used to look like fireman pants to me, man. I had to come pair at the time when I was wearing them. I'm like, why are we fucking wearing fireballs?

SPEAKER_12 12:49

I'm thinking, I used to wear the shit out your boots. I couldn't wait to put my job outfit on. It was over. I got an old picture right now.

unknown 12:59

Bowser.

SPEAKER_12 13:00

Bowserine. Bows reads for real. With the peanut butter bottom classics, man. Oh, the real sure. Yeah, we're showing our age, man. We're showing our age, man. Young forever. No, but you know, but we're also speaking of the time, though, like we also, all of us in this room, we y'all more than most, too. Like, y'all seen the transition happen from like, bro, I remember it used to be okay to drop a couple singles a year. And you would be active. Like, that's active. Yeah, you did a couple singles, you performing them here and there, and you active. You you working, you know what I'm saying? Like, now they like, bro, two singles, that that'll get you a week. Yeah, two songs to get you a week in a spotlight. That's because the mind frame of the youth now, the people now. Yeah, like their the attention span is horrible. Super low. You know what I mean? In order to be somebody, you gotta constantly put out work, put out work, put out work, put out work. Back to back to back facts. Because I remember I used to be one, like, I used to be one of them ones, bro. Like, oh, heck dropped five videos last year. Niggas was like, oh my god, I can't believe I was saying like that nigga. That nigga out here working. Yeah, he working, fam. He did a nigga and five videos. Like, you're like, yeah, bro. I used to, I remember I used to think like, yeah, bro, they fuck with me for the city. We can't really work out, you know.

SPEAKER_08 14:16

But we can't only blame it on the attention span of the audience, you know. It really has to do too with how much content there is to consume nowadays. Because before, not everybody was trying to be an artist. Right. Not everybody was dropping, you know, there wasn't like one in every friend group of a hundred people that was trying to be an artist. You know, now it's like damn near the whole group. The whole group, for sure.

SPEAKER_12 14:43

I say that because when I dropped definition of a gangster, we was doing shows, 1500 shows, $1,500 shows and all that. I ain't did nothing in four years until we dropped The Last of Us. And it's like they forgot about me with it at that time. Yeah, exactly. So now I'm rebuilding.

SPEAKER_03 15:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 15:01

After I was hot, three years, four years off, now I'm rebuilding all over again. That's why I say the attention span is gone.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 15:08

Because back in the day when we was fans of somebody, Nas ain't dropped an album for three years. But as soon as we heard he dropped the album, let's go get it. Everybody gonna get it. You know what I'm saying? Now they don't do that. That's what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_08 15:19

Yeah, and that's it, that's part of it, for sure. You know, but it's also it's hard to pay attention to something when there's so much to pay attention to. You know what I'm saying? So it's like when you when you have a favorite artist and they're not continuously, you know, um giving you something to look at or watch or think about, and then another uh intellectual comes and they're giving you something to think about. You know, you can't help but to be like, you know, and attention to diverted. No, yeah, no, no.

SPEAKER_12 15:52

They're they're they're attention grabbing out here, bro. They they're trying to get every fucking second of your shit. Yeah. That's scientific. That's how I'm I think I'm still one of those old dudes though that feel like I still watch updates like from the from the artists that I know spit. They probably didn't drop in 10 years, but I'm gonna know if you're ready to drop something. Like, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 16:13

But it also goes to show how much the older artists could have been working and weren't working. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_12 16:22

Because now you see all these younger artists dropping music like one song a week or you know, one song a day, and then we didn't have the resources we have now back then. At all, not even at all. You know what I'm saying? Like, so you had to pay for uh literally uh on a CD to get your single, just a single on. Now you can just upload it on the internet. Yeah. When we started doing this, we were still in the trunk. It took a lot of money for us to keep pressing up the CDs, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 16:51

No, I agree. But you know, at the same time, you know, a lot of the artists who were running the game, you know, you got your 50s, Lutas, you know, just um Outcast, you know, just all these artists, as they as time and technology has grown, they still remained dropping music at the rate that they used to drop it instead of dropping it, you know, quick and staying. Well, well, when you reach a hip hop would be totally different if they grew with technology. Yeah, and they had the they had the resources, the money to grow with technology.

SPEAKER_12 17:28

Yeah, but there's only one person that does that, bro. And you know, you got ghostwriters. You know, you need there's no fucking way. There's no way to do it, bro. I don't I don't give a fuck who you are, bro. You're not making relevant sound and music every fucking year, just super killing it every year, bro, for more than 10 straight, bro, by yourself. You're not just doing it by yourself. You're not just writing hit after you would be the most talented person ever. Everybody in the world would know you, bro. You would there's no fucking way for that.

SPEAKER_08 17:59

I mean, but one when I look at it, dropping one song a week is not a hard thing to do. That's not it's not a hard thing to do.

SPEAKER_12 18:10

No, it's not, it's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 18:11

Especially if your career, like if if your full-time job is music, you know, like us, it's hard for people like us, you know, because we're like, we're still trying to break the ceiling of like a mil, two mil, just from music type shit. You know what I'm saying? But these niggas, they make fucking that type of money just from music and they're publishing and you know, they got the resources, and so a song a week for the for these guys shouldn't be.

SPEAKER_12 18:41

No, but that's not that's not the that's not the problem. The problem is I don't want to fucking hear anybody a song a week. No matter I don't give a fuck who you are, bro. There's nothing like that. Well fuck you too then. There's not one person, there's not one person, bro, in the fucking world that I'm gonna do. I dropped a codass song. I want to hear a new song from you every week. Nobody, nobody fucking wants nobody because you see, but it's different for you, bro. Cause like you said, you're building. If you were already known, hey fam, I know you the shit. I just need you to come when you, you know, when you dropping your shit, drop it. Yeah, every once a week is for that's like Russ. Russ used to do, he did that whole song every day or week, whatever, and then he blew up. But that's because he blew up off of maybe two or three out of every fucking song he dropped that year. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, but now that he's established, Russ is like, all right, let me chill. I'll drop prop projects and I go on tour.

SPEAKER_08 19:29

Yeah, now he does like one a month or two.

SPEAKER_12 19:31

Yeah, he's just chilling and shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, so because that's true, because nobody wants to do that, bro. I don't know though. One of my favorite artists, Don Tripp, bro, he dropped 28 albums last year. I know, see, but I ain't heard one of them. He was just gone, bro. Yeah, that's crazy. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, yeah. That's a lot, bro. Even if you do six, let's just say they're EP, six songs. Bro, that's like 150 records. There's no way, fam. And like, but what I'm saying is, how many of those fell through the cracks is what I'm saying? A lot of them, though. A lot of people ain't heard them. A lot of people ain't heard of them. I mean, I maybe heard of two Don Tripp records last year. That's a fact. That's a fact.

SPEAKER_08 20:15

So, um, what do you guys got lined up for this year? As far as like uh, do you guys got any shows lined up or anything where else uh where the audience can go check you guys out at and you know, see y'all in person live? We got uh we got Barfest 5.

SPEAKER_12 20:36

Uh July 18th, we got uh it's not a it's not a show, but we you know we throw events too thing to eventually just man, us having a great time and it's grown people, man. None of that reckless wild stuff and knuckle a few buck. It's just people enjoying each other. It's gonna be food there. Shout out to Monty Carlo. Yeah, we're gonna have with Smash all this and so it's EBMG. That's the grown and sexy one? Yeah, yeah. Okay, Monte Carlo. Yeah, so it's Smash EBMG. So yeah, uh uh just people enjoying each other, networking, you know what I'm saying? It's gonna be fool, live uh live performance by uh RB artist AP. You know what I'm saying? Uh yeah, just getting together and enjoying life, you know what I'm saying? The summer leaning. Summer leaning, man. We come in there with the with the shirt unbutting and showing chest hairs and stuff. We got a uh we got a we got a uh podcast. No, when is it?

SPEAKER_10 21:54

No, we're uh sending that's the thirty thing.

SPEAKER_12 21:58

No, that's not the thirty. I gotta live. I think it's June 13th, but uh uh Sydney, Australia. Okay, you know, they they mess with us hard, man. Uh shout out to Nigeria too. We got a nice following out there too. So that's what's up. You know what I'm saying? So they're trying to really get us to go on tour over there. Australia, Nigeria. I seen dogs all on y'all shit too. Man, yeah, yeah, yeah. He be he be shouting y'all out every chance he gets. For real. Yeah. He loves hip hop, man. He a real hip hop man. Hip hop head. That man did over 750 something interviews, majors and independent artists. That's what's up. I'm trying to get on that level. No, right? We on the way, fam. We on the water. Oh, yeah, we're definitely on the way. Yeah, y'all, yeah. You can't go nowhere without seeing that logo. I promise. For real, for real.

SPEAKER_08 22:45

Speaking of the logo, man, so the chains, that helped me realize that I've seen you guys many times. Oh, yeah. Been in many rooms with y'all and was completely oblivious to the fact that I was like, shake your hand like without a few.

SPEAKER_12 23:02

I was completely oblivious. You know, but it's a big city, man. Yeah. You know. I know he probably like, who the hell is this dude? Like, Ellie, I've been knowing you for a minute, though. Yeah, no. So that's the funny part.

SPEAKER_08 23:15

Yeah, that's a you know, shit just be going over my head sometimes, apparently. But yeah, once I saw, like, he sent me the thing and I watched the videos, I'm like, I've fucking seen these guys like a million times, and I never knew that they were this toad. Because I've I've never like sat and I saw you never saw you guys perform. You know, usually like that's when I like if I see somebody perform, I really take notes. Like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_12 23:40

Yeah, because you left one performance when we was at Canna. You left before we got on.

SPEAKER_08 23:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 23:45

You know what I'm saying? You had to hit it. I know you went crazy at Canna. That's like the perfect spot. Oh yeah, he went, he went stupid there, bro. That's the best part. He went stupid there, bro.

SPEAKER_08 23:55

But I'm glad that we got y'all on the episode now, and you know, I get to be able to sit down and talk to you because I really do relish in the fact that um, you know, whenever I get to see people out that we've had on the podcast and just be able to be around their aura and talk to them and you know, just enjoy time outside in the real world with them. You know, that's us. I relish in that, you know.

SPEAKER_12 24:14

Facts. Um real quick though. Ellsworth, I had stopped him earlier. Go ahead, bro. Tell us now, bro. Because he was like, Yeah, Ellsworth, you know, I'm like, hold on. You saying too much. This is the type of shit we need to hear on the pop.

SPEAKER_10 24:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That that's it it it um it's from um Bumpy Johnson. Let's see. You know what I'm saying? Ellsworth Bumpy Johnson. Uh and uh we came up with that because hey, we was calling ourselves the balustery at first. The balusteric? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_12 24:45

Like the restaurant chain and shit.

SPEAKER_03 24:46

No, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 24:49

But I'm saying like the same spelling as that fucking balustarian food group or whatever. Let me shut up. But yeah, yeah. So uh, like we got some real, some real good people, you know what I mean, that was like, nah. Cause they knew we on mafia music, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's how we look at our music. Not gangster rap, not we like my we mafia music, you know what I'm saying? So, and we got some people that was like, think of a black man. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we went, all the black names was regular, John Cenderson. He like, and then it hit me, I'm like, Ellsworth. Because don't nobody call no black man Ellsworth. You know what I'm saying? Facts, facts. Ain't nobody called Bumpy Ellsworth. His name was Bumpy. Yeah, for real. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, yo, let's do that. So we we got uh Bumpy Johnson. That's the shit, bro. Represent the it's a good time to use that name though. For sure. With the with the show and all that shit, it's just it's a uh it's a perfect combination of creativity and real life shit that happened, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 26:00

And relevancy, you know, emotional, emotional recency, chronological recency talking about last week.

SPEAKER_12 26:09

Hey man, how you say that shit again? He was like something about emotional, chronological. You don't know what the fuck we're talking about. Chronological recent recency. You gotta stay recent. Let's go.

SPEAKER_08 26:20

All right, well, let's get into another song of yours.

SPEAKER_12 26:23

Let's get it. I'm acting like I'm ready. I ain't ready, fam. No, we right here. We got uh this is off the Ellsworth The Last of Us album. It's called Straight Balling. Let's go.

unknown 28:59

Four, four, y'all, nigga.

SPEAKER_12 29:01

Yes, sir. Let's go. Shout out Uno on the beach, man. Man, y'all, y'all got y'all got that shit going where it's like, I don't know who I like better, bro. I'm gonna be my hunting with y'all. Cause Amari be snapping, man. Yeah. Going crazy.

SPEAKER_08 29:16

And I appreciate that. I love when we have the duels here because then it's you really get to see the yin and yang of the artists. You know, like there's always one who's like straight, uh, straightforward and like uh seems like a little tougher.

SPEAKER_12 29:34

And you know, like their flow is a little more aggressive, and then there's always the one who's like has the laid back vibe going and we switch up a lot with like literally, like there'd be times where he be geeked and I just be like, uh, and then I'll be geeked and he'll be like, uh, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But yeah, he had I mean it's only right we together, because if he went somewhere else, I was dissing him on every topic. We was like me. Whatever, whenever you drop, I'm dissing that shit.

SPEAKER_08 30:02

So y'all known each other your whole career, or uh have y'all always been friends, or did y'all like end up meeting as two separate artists?

SPEAKER_12 30:13

And no, we we we really met through uh a glorious organization for real. And uh I heard him spit and I'm like, yo, I gotta do something with him, you know what I'm saying? That's how EBMG really became. Me hearing him and he wasn't getting the opportunity like we was back because when we was doing it, everybody was messing with us, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, they ain't here, bro. So that's how I really started EBMG because you know what I'm saying? So talent like his. So we we we been knowing each other for since what? 2009? 2010.

SPEAKER_08 30:50

Okay. So that's about when I dropped my first um my first street album.

SPEAKER_12 30:58

2009. I wasn't doing shit 2009. I had just got here. Oh, for real? Yeah. Cause I came, no, I mean I was here for like a year already, because I came at the end of 07 when I got out and shit. Yeah, but because by 2010, we I I known you by then. Yeah, yeah, 2010. I was already performing and all that shit, but oh like from 08, 09, I wasn't on shit.

SPEAKER_08 31:20

I was just out here actually in all of them.

SPEAKER_12 31:25

I had dropped my first mixtape in 09. I dropped my first EP in 08 fresh out of print penitentiary. Damn, yeah, they gave me 10 years when I was 17, so I came home like I gotta do something. We do something on what? I party for the first two years, though. Oh, you know that like me, same shit, bro. Party hard, yeah. Yo, girl, you gotta recollect that type. Uh you know, and not only that, I mean, how much worse can you get there when you get out? Crash out now, nigga. Shit, why we out here, family? I mean, I'm already I ain't got shit already. I ain't got shit to lose. Hey girl, come here. Uh you got a car, you got a crib, yeah. That's cool. Yeah, just party for two years straight. That's what I did. No, I wouldn't, I wasn't so tied to no woman coming home. You live in life like that, little baby. I'm your new man. Yeah, no, that that little that little transition period. Then you're like, hey bro, this ain't about shit. I gotta get on my shit, bro.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 32:29

Eventually, you I just want to live live life, man. Like I ain't really know if I wanted to stick to rapping when I came home. I mean, I was battling like crazy. I think I heard uh bars say this too. I still ain't lost yet either, bars. So you know what I'm saying? Hey, what be willy? You know what I'm saying? Bars of this shit.

SPEAKER_08 32:49

But uh Are we gonna host the uh the next day?

SPEAKER_12 32:56

But I'm just saying uh I don't know if I wanted to continue rapping until I start hearing the BS. And I was like, no, I gotta get back in.

SPEAKER_08 33:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 33:07

So yeah.

SPEAKER_08 33:08

That's what's up. Um I gotta ask since I noticed it, what's what's up with the books?

SPEAKER_12 33:14

Oh, I wrote, I wrote, you know, so that's funny you say that because I was just talking about peers to prison. I wrote this in prison. Yeah, yeah. So I wrote this my second year, so it had to be 2002 when I wrote this. But like I said, we ain't had the resources. When I came home, they wasn't letting you do this stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? So go ahead and hold that up for the So I uh I uh So I had this folder when I came home with all my movie scripts and books I wrote, right? And I found it during that big flood we had not too long ago. So I was like, oh, I'm gonna put one of these out. I had to revise the whole thing because it's another thing, it's crazy. We was talking about Jaboz and stuff, and I was describing him and my original story with Jaboz. So I had to revise the whole thing. But so these firemen pant words, look at me. But uh, yeah, I got a lot of books, man, I wrote and movie scripts.

SPEAKER_08 34:13

Big homie wrote uh 475-page novel.

SPEAKER_12 34:19

And it's the only one that's like that. And what's what's it called? What's the what's the genre? Urban fantasy. Urban fantasy? Yeah, it's like vampires, witches.

SPEAKER_08 34:27

Hey, and I know dog. How can we get one of these? How can I get one of these? Y'all got permission that use dog, bro? For real?

SPEAKER_12 34:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 34:33

You got permission to use dog face, bro?

SPEAKER_12 34:35

I created him. Bro, I know who that is, bro. I finna put the picture. I finna put the picture up here when I edit this shit. I know who dog is. I can't think of what the fuck show he's on. But he looked like dog. I got my next one coming out real soon called The Book of Uh Amicus. Is it is it different from this? It's not like uh it no, it's it's not sh it ties into this, but it's not the same series. So it's like a universe type. Yeah, it's a whole universe. Uh but Book of Amicus is God's best friend. Okay. When God was in the void before he created life, he created a being exactly like him, powers and all. And then when he created life, Amicus felt like God chose humanity over their friendship, so he disappeared, came to earth, influenced the uh emperors, kings, and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_08 35:26

So basically the devil. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_12 35:28

He's still good because after millenniums of being on earth, like God stopped answering prayers. Right. And Amicus seen what God really loved in humanity, so he took it upon himself to help protect humanity. But the balance is off. So you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 35:44

There's a um, I watched a reel a while ago, but it was basically uh um this person saying hypothetically, what if the devil and God were best friends? You know, and then basically like, you know, it was before the time of like man of man's creation, and then like the devil saw that like God favored man more than their friendship.

SPEAKER_12 36:10

I mean, I think it I think that's really what happened. But we uh we also failed to realize that Satan did not leave a reb uh lead a rebellion, God read his heart. Yeah, we failed to realize that too. Like, you know what I mean? Cause Satan, if you think about it, the most beautiful angel, his body was filled with musical organs. I think that's why music is the biggest influence in this world right now. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He was the angel of music. Yeah. And uh that's right to go.

SPEAKER_08 36:43

I like coming across a lot of those like um theories and you know, people just bringing up certain uh I guess train of thoughts upon like whether it be religion or conspiracies or whatever. Takes you down a rabbit hole and then you start doing that. You look for the why and shit, bro. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 37:07

You look for the why and shit. But you know, the I always say this, bro. Before I knew anything about right or wrong, I knew how I felt about certain shit. And pretty much any human is like that. Like you'll grow, you could grow up and be taught all type of shit, but if somebody was to get fucking crushed by a fucking boulder right in front of you, nigga, you finna be like, Yeah, damn, that's fucked up. That's some tragic shit. Or that's fucking gruesome, whatever you, you gonna feel that shit. Yeah, you know, and that it's uncontrollable, you know. Yeah, facts. You can get used to it and it can become normal, and you could like live in that and just not care about it no more. But that for is you gotta work. I mean, I mean, nah, you still gonna care about it. Yeah, it's just you trained yourself. Yeah, you yeah, you you you used to it, but you still gonna care about it. You feel what I'm saying though? Cause I done been through the worst in these streets. Like, before this rap shit, I was pure gangster. Yeah. And and I done seen a lot of stuff, bro, to the point where even to this day, like, maybe dude might've needed to get dealt with in that manner, but I might still feel like, damn, that's fucked up. Yeah, it was still fucked up. I'll be on that same shit, no bullshit.

SPEAKER_08 38:14

Nah, I felt like that many times. Fucked up, I gotta do you like this, but fucked up.

SPEAKER_12 38:18

No bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

Yeah, you made me do that.

SPEAKER_12 38:23

That made me perfect. That's the perfect thing to say. Like, I don't even want to do this, but you just made me do this, man. You know what I'm saying? At the end of the day, we all human, man. No, and that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 38:35

You brought out the worst in me.

SPEAKER_12 38:37

And that's that's why I wish that shit hold up in court. Right. It should. It don't it does for them. It does for them. No, but I really get the guy inside from this. I always say that, like, you know, no matter what though, you're you you're gonna have feelings that you can't control about shit. And that's where I believe what I believe, you know. Yeah, like a motherfucker, but I'm atheist, I don't believe in shit. Like, so you don't believe in your feelings, bro? You ain't never just cried. You ain't never, you as a whole time, your whole lifetime, you was just no emotion and shit. You just don't believe. You feel shit. There's people out there like that though. There is, there is, and I think that's because they soulless, like literally have no soul. Nothing in you for that shit. Like, for real, for real. I believe it's people that walk in this world with no soul at all. Yeah, that's facts. They whole intentions is to bring chaos.

SPEAKER_04 39:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 39:23

Well, after I just said what I said and what you said, that's I think that's why. Because there's some people who are like, nah, I can't I can't do no shit like that. And there's other people who just like, shit, I don't feel nothing about that shit, bro. Like, yeah. But yeah, I just want to say put that out there. So shout out to the book, though. Yeah, shout out to you for that.

SPEAKER_08 39:41

You don't uh you don't meet too many people from where we're from that can produce something like this, bro. You know, and I gotta give you your flowers for this because this is something that I've always thought about or imagined or aspired to do for myself, and it just seems so far out of reach, you know. Like so to actually see somebody come to the podcast with something like this, just it lets me know the type of shit that's possible.

SPEAKER_12 40:08

That's but like I said before, we ain't had the resources then. Now I can get online and somebody can press that book up free just for a little uh uh fee of making a book and I get the rest from the sales. We ain't had that back then, you know what I'm saying? Now I could just put my man my manuscript in and you know what I'm saying? Yeah, so artwork. I did the hard artwork. No, that's what I'm saying. But you could just upload it, it's like it's like doing a damn project. That's all it is. I do the artwork and send my manuscript in and they'll press it out.

SPEAKER_08 40:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 40:43

Like and I was telling um Order of the Lichen by Marquise Marnie. Yeah, Marquise Marnie. I've never I would have never thought that was his name. I would have never thought that was your name. Marnet. It's called Order of the Liken. In the war between beast and man, balance has a name. Hey, that's that's just you finna do the trailer, bro. Don't forget to sign out shit, bro. Yeah, I'm gonna sign up. Hey, low key though, real quick before we move on from the book, you're the third author I met. And as to Illy's point, uh the other two are C Mills, Brad Fax, but they did more of uh biopic or copy. That's what people try to get me to do. Yeah, this is a book. This is like a whole fantasy novel. Yeah, like this is that like author for real. I mean, a lot of people tell me, like, bro, you should do your bio, bro. You should do, and I'm like, no, I don't want to. I I wanted I wanted to do something I'm really interested in in life.

SPEAKER_03 41:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 41:50

And I love the paranormal, I love the horror, I love, you know what I'm saying? Like me and him was talking. I'm trying to do a podcast myself called You know Unnatural Grounds right now. And it's all about the conspiracies and the paranormal, you know what I'm saying? So I need to be the first guest on that.

SPEAKER_08 42:06

Because, you know, last week we had um, no, it was the week before last, we had Kia Rap Princess on, and me and her were having a conversation before we started the episode about um just like rappers being able to go to like poetry um events and just spit their shit a cappella, and it, you know, you can rap your well, you can recite your lyrics in a way that makes it sound very dramatic and poetic, you know, different from how you would record it in the studio. And she was like, oh no, no. And I was like, Yeah, you could actually be like my Angelo out here. Like you you wrote shit, you know, if you put all that combined shit wrote together, you probably got a book worth of, you know, like you probably got a 500-page book worth of fucking facts, dope ass analogies and you know, stories and shit like that, you know. And she was like, Oh, I don't know, I never thought about it like that. That's why starter from it.

SPEAKER_12 43:06

That's all it is, yeah. Yeah, if it's it's poetry on with the cadence. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 43:10

And I always thought about that because uh in middle school, we used to um like in our English class, they used to have us read out this book and it had small, like two-page stories. You know, it's I don't know if they were called shorts or whatever, but like they were like small two-page stories, you know, and they were all different, but it was like a big ass book full of all these like tiny storylines.

SPEAKER_12 43:36

You know, an anthology. Yeah, yeah, I got a horror one too called uh Seekers to Darkness, the dark will keep. So it's an anthology horror book. Yeah. So I'm about to drop it out. That's dope. I'm excited about reading this shit. I ain't read a book since fucking the war against the book. I put another thing too. I everybody be like, hey man, why you just don't put it up on each book? Yeah, to to do the audio. And I'm like, that's what's wrong with humanity now. Y'all picked up them phones and forgot a lot. Nah, man. Get off that bullshit, man. Drop an audio bird, fam. I'm just saying. He also bullshit, bro. I do feel him though, because it is obviously you want it's good to read it, right? But sometimes you I'll be at work or something. I want to know what's going on, fam. Oh, well, I got the e the ebook of this though. Okay. It's definitely a big thing. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 44:26

So one thing I love about ebooks too is when they have somebody reading the book and they read it in different character voices and shit like that. That should be code.

SPEAKER_12 44:36

Like you want to hear Snoop Dogg read.

SPEAKER_08 44:41

Not like that, but like they do actual, like each character for each voice. Oh, that's dope.

SPEAKER_12 44:48

I ain't never seen it. Yeah, me neither. I never heard that. I heard that before. But they got that new app where you just pick any celebrity to read your book. Shut the fucking thing. Yeah, they do. That's what's new. That's the new dog reading. I was like, yeah. Then she popped up on the king. Like what? The war between beast and man. Bounders has a name. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_08 45:13

All right. So before we head into this next portion of the episode, if you haven't already, take a moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell to help us grow our audience. A like, comment, or share with a friend are also great ways to let us know you support it and watch the episode. Also, shout out to our sponsor, Illy Tense, for financing these episodes. If you or someone you know is looking to transform your vehicle, add privacy, or keep it cool by blocking out the sun rays, give us a call today at 414-326-7283 or stop by the shop in Franklin, 8581 South 27th Street to book your next appointment. Secondly, um, I just wanted to shout out the Big B MKE.

SPEAKER_03 45:56

Let's go.

SPEAKER_08 45:56

We just had the uh second half of the uh elimination rounds for the first 16. Um, I was part of the second half, you know. I'm moving on to the semifinals. Let's go. So uh you know, shout out to Alan, Big B, and everybody who's um the Cooperage. Um, you know, we got the shirt on right here, Big Beat MKE. Shout out GPL Mahiko, he caught the shirt, let me get it for winning it. You know, so I was like, good shit. Uh, shout out to Group of Law Offices, one call that's all for sponsoring the event. Um yeah, man, just shout out to everybody who won last week. Um, my brother BU. I get to go up against BU.

SPEAKER_12 46:40

This gonna go crazy next coming Thursday. And I got I gotta I'm I'm the I gotta be the one to sanction it and shit.

SPEAKER_08 46:46

Yeah. I hate to do it to him, but you know, sorry, BU. Take your first L from a rookie.

SPEAKER_12 46:56

That'd be crazy. That's crazy. No, but uh since you know, Illy, he can he has to speak from a uh he's gonna win point of view. Facts. So I'm speaking from being in the crowd, bro. All the battles have been doper and doper as they go, fam. Because I was actually a part of uh being the submissions and shit. So a lot of submissions we felt like people almost weren't submitting battle-ready beats. Right. They were just submitting shit, and we're like, no, like when you submit to this, bro, you gotta submit that shit. You know what I'm saying? So so far, I'm just I've I've come to the conclusion now I just need to shut the fuck up because I was like, yeah, this one's gonna be sweet because dog ain't on shit, you know what I'm saying? Like he wasn't proved me all the way the fuck wrong. All of them have been dope. Just some people aren't ready for beat battles per se. You know what I'm saying? And uh, you know, it showed, but a motherfucker to get up there and show you they shit anyway in the first place is uh accomplishment in itself. So you know, but as a fan, bro, these beat battles are getting cold, bro. There uh people really came, came, you know, Illy came on there with the boxing gloves.

SPEAKER_08 48:04

Yeah, no, I was gonna say, you should pull up on uh on my Facebook page. I shared um somebody was uh they took a video and live streamed mine and Jay Billa's battle, you know. So I was like, you should just play uh about a minute or two of that, you know.

SPEAKER_12 48:24

A minute or two.

SPEAKER_08 48:25

Or you play the whole thing. Yeah, but it was dope, you know. I was like, let me bring the boxing gloves, man, because I know Jay Bella ain't coming to play, you know, so I had to put the gloves on for him. And he did it, man. He his beats were phenomenal, bro.

SPEAKER_12 48:44

Like Yeah, shout out to Jay Biller.

SPEAKER_08 48:46

I got I got music with Jay Biller when I was 14, so and I had tried to do some, you know, prior dig into that, but I I was like, okay, I could, you know, these are dope beats, but I'm like, ain't no way he's gonna play this type of beats at the battle. Like, so I you know, I I made sure I expect the unexpected from him, you know? So I'm gonna go. I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_12 49:10

This is not this 12-minute one, right?

SPEAKER_08 49:12

Uh it probably is. Yeah, it's up.

unknown 49:16

Uh oh.

SPEAKER_08 49:16

Yeah, that one right there.

SPEAKER_12 49:18

Got some hard shit. Yo, he really bought the glass. Yeah, master beat you playing too. Yeah, that looked like it was dope. My bad, I think it didn't mean to stop it right there.

SPEAKER_08 49:51

It was a good time.

SPEAKER_12 49:53

No, but the gloves, the gloves when y'all looked up. I said, that was unique though. Yeah, it looked like creative. No, it's very unique. Because I went and got a drink right before their battle started. So I went and right before the shit started, I had my drink. I I come around the corner, Ellie's like, I'm like, what the fuck? I said, caught me off guard like, oh, he is not playing, bro. He came with the box of gloves. And then uh, damn about I I didn't mean to stop right there, actually. I accidentally clicked it. But there's a part in Illy's beat where it's like doo-doo doo doo. And Illy run up on the dog, like, yeah, nah, yeah. That shit is crazy, though. If I find that clip, I'll put it up and shit. That shit was called.

unknown 50:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 50:38

No, but shout out to Big Beat, man. I'm telling you, bro, the shit gets better and better. It's been the last four years, I think, I've been going like faithfully type shit. And I always have a good ass time, bro. Yeah, it's something about hearing cold ass beats just going against each other, and you know, and then it's the crowd at these uh events at the big beat so far to this day has held up, bro. They listen. Yeah, yeah. So when the performers go up, bro, people are like, and they're fucking rocking with you. They're not just like, oh, we just it's the performer, yeah. They're dead, they're tuned in, dancing, they're doing everything, bro, showing love. So shout out to Alan and the Big Beat, man. Yeah, that's shout out Alan. Hey boy. But before we jump off subject, you just said something about like how the crowd be around and they feeling it. That's what we've been seeing a lot lately in the hip-hop circle, yeah. Not the rap circle, the hip-hop circle. Because back then, when when shout out to Carlo, when Carlo first did Spin Right and Rick and Rick, we had a lot of uh fans too then that came through. And then after a while, these other open mics, it was only rappers rapping for rappers. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But when we go to these hip-hop events, it's real fans in there, like of all backgrounds, like you know what I'm saying? And they stay there vibe and dance. Like the bar festivals and shit. Yeah, no, that's facts. Yeah, you know what I think that is though? I think it's because uh we go from when we were at Smash, bro, we were trying to be better than somebody else. That's what it was. You know, we can say whatever we want, but anytime you went to Smash, you wanted to be the best. As opposed to you go up the street in that same era when they had Uptown. And I remember the first time I went to Uptown, and Mike Disney was just in there just freestyling for eight minutes straight, and everybody was locked in because he wasn't trying to be better than and he was he was just rapping. It's the art. This is the art of I'm about to fucking spit for y'all. And he had the he had the whole shit. The Kango, the Adidas jumpsuit, the whole shit. You know, he uh you know, like like DZ really liked that, you know what I'm saying? So so like the difference is I think when people come to them hip hop events, they they're they're there to enjoy the art. And then when you go to like Smash and shit like that, and they're not taking away from them or not, yeah, yeah. There was the you know, I used to bring crowds together. But Smash, yeah, y'all used to, y'all used to do that. You know what I'm saying? So like I But Smash had like I'ma say for real, Smash had uh a bunch of people come through that wasn't artists and they were genuinely fans, yeah. But after Smash, what I'm saying is most when you started doing these open mics, it would it became rappers rapping for rappers. For other rappers, yeah, like it was like what's the sense of doing an open mic? You right now the the distance or the difference. What I was saying is the music itself, this is flashy. Yeah, that's what I that's what I kind of figured. The hip hop is more like, hey, I'm about to tell you how good I am with words, and I'm gonna tell you about some shit that I like that you might like where I'll relate to. Yeah, you know, this shit is like, hey, I'm gangster, I'm tough, I'm clean, I get all the bitches, you know what I'm saying? I get all you know, that that's the more and that's what they try to stay away from because when they hear hip hop, it's a de and I know and I noticed that though more too, more and more. Because you can go anywhere in the world right now, and somebody either have a Wu-Tang tattoo or a Wu-Tang shirt. You know what I'm saying, bro? Because of the sound they have, you know what I'm saying? It ain't, yeah, we millionaires, we shooting at everybody. You know what I'm saying? It's like you know, and they come from the know thyself type. You know what I mean? Like, mm-hmm. The, you know, you know what it is, fam. Like they you gotta know you yourself, the God in you type shit. So like, yeah, you know, it's a whole right there. That's it. The God in you for real. That that's what they that they that that's their whole uh their whole delivery, everything is put into that, you know what I mean? So then you're right though, because the hip-hop shows do be people just be they be tuned in, bro, and they enjoy the shit.

SPEAKER_10 54:38

Yeah, they do, they enjoy it, bro.

SPEAKER_12 54:40

And then the the other shit is more like who's the coolest of the night gonna be? Yeah, you know, who sounds the best, who can make the bitches dance and who can make motherfuckers, you know. And even though, even though it's a place for both of them, though. Hip hop is a uh competitive sport, and the hip-hop events, you the artists that's around you show you genuinely genuine love, but when you doing the the other events, it's like you could tell this people don't like me. He don't like me, he'll want to shake my head. Competition, you know. I just killed him. He thought he was gonna be the live girl of the night.

SPEAKER_08 55:17

But not only that, like at those events, the whole, you know, with those type of songs and everything, the whole image of it is to be the coolest. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like that's that's what you're rapping about. That's you gotta portray that persona, so you gotta walk around like that, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, and then you know, when when motherfuckers walking around, like he's too cool for you, it's like, alright, fuck you. They don't want to say what's happening.

SPEAKER_12 55:45

It be cool though. I've I laugh at it. I don't I don't do those events no more though. So I'm I'm I'm strictly on like that underground sound that hip hop. So yeah, you know what I'm saying. But y'all do that shit so well, but that's like y'all shit, like seamless. Bro, you had a song about uh the juice song. Hugo, Hugo. Yeah, I wanted to beat you up so bad. Like, this should be a remix to this fucking fucking man. This should be a remix. I never even thought about that. He's about to get about the Hugo remix. I was ready. I promise you, I never one time ever until right now you said that thought about a fucking remix, man. That money, though. That song did something. When I seen that, I said, Oh, he in the creative bath. He he just flipped the whole script. Do the remix, bro.

SPEAKER_08 56:31

Anyone who wants to get on it can get a verse. No, yeah, shit.

SPEAKER_12 56:35

And then that that that's one of them records, bro, where it was just literally I was just in my car smoking and shit, and the beat came on, doom, dun-da-da. And I remember I was just like, all I said was, I like it when she call me, pop be chew. As soon as I said that, I was like, Yeah, I fuck with that. And then like three weeks later, I had the whole hook. I have half a verse. I'm like, oh, I'm about to record this. Let's go. But yeah, and then I didn't even, no, but I appreciate that though. Anything. That's my that's one of my tops. That's what's up, bro.

SPEAKER_08 57:03

All right. Um, so I wanted to turn it over to you guys real quick before we go into the interview portion. Do you guys anybody uh do you got anybody you guys want to shout out?

SPEAKER_12 57:12

Yeah, man. The whole uh EBMG family, man. Um Black Lilac. Black Lilac, uh, Reno the Dong. Jake White. You know what I'm saying? Uh D Love.

SPEAKER_10 57:23

We can't forget about the princess of the Lady.

SPEAKER_12 57:29

Yeah. She got her joint coming out, bro. So you know what I'm saying. She dope, too. She dope. You know, we got EBM, we got EBMG West, so yeah. We definitely gotta shout the guys out down there.

SPEAKER_08 57:42

So that's what's up. I was actually wondering when I was.

SPEAKER_12 57:45

Uno on the beats. Let me do let me forget that. Do not go on the beach and boger. Yeah, yeah. The homie in Germany. Let's go.

SPEAKER_08 57:55

I was wondering, I was gonna ask you guys uh today too, and you just said it um dude's name black Lalac. Yeah, okay. When I was reading it, I was like, Black Alak? Black Alack.

SPEAKER_12 58:07

We were just messing with him on the way here about it about that. I was like, bro, your name, Black L L Ack. Black L aclack, Black Alack. Living Like a King. That's what it means. Living Like a King. Okay. That's what's all right.

SPEAKER_08 58:21

Well, let's roll into this interview. Yes, sir. Um Let me see. How should we do this? All right, we'll we'll go one for one. You know, I'll ask a question and then I'll ask the other person. Um give us a summary of Ellsworth as a duo.

SPEAKER_12 58:41

Ellsworth, man. Oh authentic artists helling from the trenches of you know what I'm saying, Milwaukee, man. Um lyrics, God MCs, mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? Gods, period, you know what I mean? The generals are the forefront. You know what I mean? That's how I see it, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 59:02

Yeah. Alright. So next question for you What is uh your hip hop origin story?

SPEAKER_10 59:12

I mean, my cousin, my cousin Q turned me on to hip hop because I was doing poetry at first, you know what I'm saying? He turned me on to um music, period. So I had, I mean, everybody that I used to listen to was from it was from him. So I was listening to the Tupac's, the Max Shell shocks, and um, and then was teachers to me. Because at the time I didn't understand what they was talking about, but as I grew older and started to really listen, I'm like, damn. These niggas, they they was teaching me, they taught me a lot through their music.

SPEAKER_02 59:49

Right.

SPEAKER_10 59:50

And so um, I mean, that's where I and that's where I take my music, you know what I'm saying? Uh I don't just sometimes I don't just rap. I like to, it's lessons in these, in this, in this music. Cause um, I've been through the streets. I mean, I'm born and raised in Milwaukee. Can't too many people say that that's from Milwaukee, that they was actually born and raised in Milwaukee. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 1:00:15

I like that.

SPEAKER_12 1:00:16

And and to understand why he chose those artists too, uh, you know, bro, uh his mom is like almost a spiritual person too. So it's embedded in him. That's why he chose the max and the two pox, you know what I'm saying? And poetry, in a sense why poetry led the way before he got into rap. You know what I mean? You can super tell poetry was your beginning, though. The way you set your your uh bars up, you can just tell.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:45

And uh like you previously stated, there's a message in within the bars in your verses, and yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:00:53

And the message always matters, you know. And I feel like the game will steer us away from that. Yeah because that's just you it it naturally just wants the money. It's like we gotta get the money, we we want y'all killing each other, we want y'all doing. But the message that shit can never be. I mean, we don't have no problem saying, yeah, we'll shoot them up, bang, bang, but we also gonna let you know it's a consequence behind that. Exactly.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:17

Exactly. You gotta know both sides on the coin. You got to. Can't all be glorification.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:22

It can't. Yeah. Um what compels you to create and uh what are some sources of inspiration for you?

SPEAKER_12 1:01:30

Recently, man, it's just been life, period. You know what I mean? Like, I'm motivated by it. Like I said earlier, like a lot. I can see a paint on the wall and be like, oh, I got something. You know what I'm saying? Whether it's me going in the studio or me trying to write another book or whatever, you know what I'm saying? Um and my brothers, my brothers, they got my back, so they always get me in the creative mode. You know what I'm saying? My daughter, she when I was her age, I wasn't that dope. I was dope, but she I wanted to be Pac. When I was 15. She 15, bro, and spitting like Nicki Minaj in them already. Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, yeah. She's crazy. She got that creative, keep going. You know what I'm saying? Y'all don't see rapping like that, it's crazy. Yeah, so I don't even I wouldn't even know what to do. But like when they hear her, they think she's from New York. They like, you know what I'm saying, right? And she loves Milwaukee music, she just don't want to rap it. Like, oh yeah, but I mean, look at her pops, fam. You know, like y'all, y'all rapping, rapping, fam. Like, that's another thing I was gonna say earlier, not to cut the hook combo off, but uh, I don't know how to explain it, bro. But I don't feel like I'm listening to people I know when I hear that that Last of Us project, bro. Like, I'm not listening to it like, oh, that's just Casey Domari, fam. I know, you know, I know them. Nah, I don't I'll be like, like I'm listening, you know, I don't know how to explain it. It's a different frequency. You know, like when I listen to Illy shit, he I I know, I don't know if he believes me or not, but when I listen to some of his shit, I'll be in my car. I don't listen to that shit like I sit next to this nigga a year straight every Sunday. You know what I'm saying? I'm listening to it like my city fucking me the long way because I'm throwing. Like I'll listen to that shit like that's somebody who was already. But that's how I listen to your shit. That's how I listen to your shit. That's how I listen to Rich P shit. Facts, Rich P's one of them too. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, like that's why we had to get him for the alb. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He is on the top. That's my pick. But yeah, uh, when I listen to certain artists shit, it's because I know they take me out somewhere else. I'm not thinking, oh, I know dog. It's because of what I'm hearing, it takes me somewhere else. Yeah, like that. I don't like I said, I don't think about like when I listen to it, I'm like, man, this shit's so cold. Oh, I could I could just call dog right now if I really want to. You know what I'm saying? Like, I could just hit hit you up right now. What's up, dog? Like, and talk to you, you know what I'm saying? Hey man, let's link. Like, but I'll be listening to it like, oh bro, this is some out of this world shit. You know what I'm saying? So that's just another thing to add on to the compliments on the on the project. Man, appreciate you.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:06

I also wanted to extend that same question to you. Um just to re-go over the question. What compels you to create and what are some of the sources of inspiration for you? Um life.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:18

Um I watch I watch movies, I I watch like documentaries and stuff. Um I got a song on my last EP called Revolutionary. And um, it's crazy because I had it was it's um about Fred Hampton. And now I've seen the um the Black Panther documentary a thousand times. You gotta understand this. And this time when I watched it, I I never they never spoke about Fred Hampton. And so me seeing that and seeing what they did to Fred Hampton, that inspired me to make this song revolutionary because I understood, like, wow. I know for a fact they killed this man for a reason. Yeah, yeah. He was really, he was really on one. And that's where that coalition pro stuff came from. So, but yeah, just stuff like that. Like, I I love I love artistry. I love um Queen, um, Freddie Mercury. Um, I just love art. I love art, period. So, and it's a passion. So in life, just the things that I go through, that's why I that's what I talk about a lot. Things that I go through or things that I see in life.

SPEAKER_12 1:05:38

You know what I'm saying? And you got a unique ass voice. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody say that. No, for real. Your voice is unique as hell. Yeah. Like just when you talk, you could hear your rap voice. You know what I'm saying? Like he cussed me out. He be one to let his voice go a lot, bro. I had I when I first did definition of a gangster, I just asked him to do a hook on the song. Dog got mad. He already knew you're talking about. Like, that's all you're gonna lose before a motherfucker. Oh my ass. He ended up with both songs on the album that anybody.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:13

Well, because it's like um there's just those artists that like their their tone and everything about their voice is so unique. Like I think of um who's the dude that uh he always be doing music with Philly Flyboy, uh Portray the Truth. Yeah, Portray the Truth. Like he's got like super unique voice. And he's doing melodies. Yeah, and like the, you know, kind of how what you refer to, like your voice as you're speaking here with. Sounds just like when you're rapping, you know, which some people, I know for myself, when I play music for you know, just people that are out, they're like, that's you rapping? That don't even sound like you. Right. So it's like my my artist voice doesn't sound like my regular voice. You know, it's like they sound a little different. Yeah, you gotta go into your artist voice.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:05

You know, so I feel you.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:08

I ain't know I'm sounding like that.

SPEAKER_12 1:07:10

I ain't gonna lie. I didn't I did lie. I mean, it obviously it's not, you know, it ain't bad, it's great. I know, but no, I'm not saying him, like, yeah, especially if it catches somebody's attention from what you're talking about to how you sound and they all bliss in. Somebody might listen to this podcast and be like, oh, I could tell who that is. There was a time, though. There was a time you used to be like, I don't like the way he got my voice. It was your voice. Oh, yeah. I don't like the way you're like, bro, that's your voice, bro. That's how you sound, man. What you mean, you don't like? That's how you sound. Oh, I know, I know people get sick of me because I'll be on that same shit. No, bro, he ain't mixed me right. Like, what you mean, bro? Sound just like you. I'm like, no, I don't, man. Uh I know he can make it sound better.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:00

All right, last question I got. How can the all four one for all podcast audience find your content?

SPEAKER_12 1:08:08

Uh EBMGthelabel.com. Let's go. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Gotta drop a bar. Drop a bond for the dot com. For the dot com.com. Oh, and Instagram. Who is Ellsworth? Let's go. Let's go, and then I uh I'm gonna have both y'all separate names up there too. So yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:30

All right, um so that'll conclude our uh interview portion. Let's roll into the MKE music review. All right, let's go, man.

SPEAKER_12 1:08:37

We're gonna do Ellsworth pick first, man. They got baby Drew, the ghetto hero. Classic, man. Let's go. This is their hometown pick. Let's get it. He killed the game too, bro. Man. Man, we never played this one on here, have we?

unknown 1:08:58

No.

SPEAKER_12 1:09:01

It's like our fourth baby Drew song though.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:04

What?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:32

I'm not too much. I'm a little bit of a money to my feet, but you need to go out the water on the picket on my phone.

SPEAKER_12 1:10:28

Yeah, that's see, bro, like, every time I hear baby Drew, right? Because I definitely did not catch I was not at all a part of the baby Drew uh initial fucking stardom of him, you know what I'm saying? I only hear of him because I moved in Milwaukee and they're like, oh baby Drew, baby Drew, you know what I'm saying? He he had it, bro. He had what it took. All the music sounds crispy, it's uh creative, his hooks be having that funky type. I don't even know. Yeah, yeah. And then you know that's what I was gonna get to. Like his hooks always had that funky kind of, and then he just comes in with that unique ass voice he got. I I like it, bro. Baby Drew has never, every time somebody brings one of these on the pod, I fuck with the record, bro. Like, and then the sound of it sonically is so much better. Cause you don't you don't think about it, you just think about oh baby Drew, he like a older, you know, back then type, you know what I mean? So you don't really think about it, but every time I've heard it so far, bro, it's it's gonna be a good thing. Yeah, that's what our pioneers, man. And but you know, for real. I think me and you had this conversation before. I'm more cuckoo cow than Drew, though. Type shit. But I like but Cuckoo thing. Cuckoo was we gotta talk about this code for me. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I favorite Cuckoo. Um, but I fuck with both of them because they legends. They help put us on too. Like, yeah, despite all the shit people might say they do they on or whatever, yeah. They help put Milwaukee where at least get a little recognition. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And they was real pioneers, you know what I'm saying? Even my cousin, Magmon, you know what I'm saying? Like those guys I still respect and still I play they music to this day.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:02

DRE.

SPEAKER_12 1:12:03

DRE. We had one time, he had a shoe.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:07

Tweezy shout out for real, bro. R R P man.

SPEAKER_12 1:12:10

RP Tweezy. Alright, man, we're gonna go move to the next one. This is uh my pick is one off of the Last of Us project, because this is my shit. This is this might be no, I don't like saying shit like that because I already told you the whole album's code. But this is the one where like it was uh it got caught on repeat on my Apple, and I'd let that shit play like five times. So let's go. This is featuring Richie P. Coach, uh Richie P. Gold Chain. It's called anti-heroes. Let's go.

unknown 1:12:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:12:39

This is my shit. The beat, everything about this. Hey, so it got caught on repeat. There's repeat on Apple Music.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:49

He kept hitting the back button.

SPEAKER_12 1:12:51

I can be your hero, or I can be your villain. I think it's just a villain, a problem to the haters, then I do this for the will, cause nobody else will take us. I can be a hero, or I can be a villain. Then I'm still gonna make the killin'. I think it's just a villain, a problem to the haters, then I do this for the will, cause nobody else will save us.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:17

We follow a code of behavior. Had to become our own instead of waiting on a savior. Obstacle after obstacle, I never gave up. Tryna give back what they never gave us. Revealing writings on the wall, never explain to us. Reminiscing as I take a puff. Where we was raised to dangers were pretty grave, bruh. Dodging dirt in handcuffs, face clean for my hands, bruh. Instead of losing my resolve, became a problem that they can't solve. Used to be the villain, now I have evolved into the anti-hero. You may not agree, but you see my vision clear though. I feel the darkness drawing near though. Too long I done went without Goblin on my wrist to make me snap and clear this bitch out.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:07

I could be a hero, I better let it go.

SPEAKER_12 1:14:14

Let's take it to civilians. A problem to the haters, then I do this for the real. Cause nobody else would take us.

unknown 1:14:20

I could be a hero or I could be a villain. Either way it goes, shit. I'm still gonna make a killin'.

SPEAKER_12 1:14:26

Let's take it to civilians.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:28

A problem to the haters, that I make me excited, man, cause we had uh Richie P on the first episode.

SPEAKER_12 1:14:35

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:37

You know, I've I've never gotten a chance to do a song with Richie P, you know, but I I've always told him like I wanna collaborate with him and even still, but like I'm excited because now I produce, you know. So like now, and I've been sharpening the sword in the production, so now I'm just I'm excited, dog, to have him feature on a record and it it be produced by myself.

SPEAKER_12 1:15:03

That's gonna be crazy. Bro, the first thing I thought when I heard that record was when you told me you was like, we're gonna get you out of there, bro. We're gonna get you out of retirement. I was like, I'm not retired. He was like, No, we're gonna make you rap. We already made Richie rap. And then I heard this shit, bro. When I heard, I said, Oh yeah, they made him rap on the show. Because you know, I mean, Richie always kill it, but you could you could just tell, like, he he came with that shit. He's like, No, I'm about to, you know, I gotta rap. We did the same shit to yo dot. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Hey, yeah, y'all gotta come over.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:32

Yeah, we can try to act like he ain't, but he's already out of retirement. I got I got the verse from who I'm gonna do. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He came through and bodied his freestyle.

SPEAKER_12 1:15:42

Oh, yeah, I seen that one though. Yeah, so yeah, that's what we was like, nah, bro. We ain't trying to hit the shit. He's out of retirement, right? Nah, low-key though. I do have like damn near a whole EP under underway already. Just I just jumped back into it. So fuck y'all though. I did it because I wanted to, familiar. Oh, we're gonna send you something. So we're gonna send you a lot of. I got to do something. I'm ready to shit. I'm ready because I I at this point, like you said earlier, I just want to rap about shit I want to talk about. Right. Right. I don't even care about that. I'm making music for me from now on. Fast. You know what I'm saying? Fast. And I it's sad that we had to wait so long to get to that, but whatever. What we fail to realize is that the shit you talk about, what you want to talk about, it's a million other people that feel the same as the way. And we don't think about it like that. Yeah, we don't. Yeah, and that's because they push that shit on you, and you think it's this is what it is, but it's really it's really not. Well, shout out to all my MC brothers, man, because y'all be shh, y'all motivate me, fam. I be hearing shit where I'm like, oh yeah, I gotta rap. Ain't no fucking way, fam. But anyway, enough about the coldest ever to do. No, enough about it. Let's talk about me. No, but uh, this next one, man, is uh Illy. He picked another Illy record. This nigga gonna forget enough of it. He's his old home time.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:56

You know, I had to do these because of the shout out my my boy DJ Ozone.

SPEAKER_12 1:17:02

Um DJ Ozone.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:04

He's been going through his uh, you know, his pool. He he had a storage unit and he's been bringing out all the uh, you know, the old records that he has stashed away, you know, CDs, vinyls, all that stuff. So like now he's just he's like, bro, I found these CDs of you, you know, back in you know 2010 or whatever, and he's like, you never put these records out. And then he's sending me these records. I'm like, dog, why have I never you know, why did I not put it? So I told her, I'd be joking with him at the shop, but I'd be like, uh, we're gonna have to drop like a um, you know, like a vault project or something like that, you know.

SPEAKER_12 1:17:44

Shit, why not?

SPEAKER_08 1:17:45

Yeah, so I'm like, well, I might as well start showcasing some of these on the pod, you know?

SPEAKER_12 1:17:50

Yeah, I'm ready to hear this too. You talking about the blue, we're talking about Twister. All right, let's get it. The beat. See, it's you can tell, bro. The DR5 Minute long intros back then, bruh.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:27

Right.

SPEAKER_12 1:18:28

Ain't say nothing for three minutes.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:30

Well, this is unfinished as well.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:32

Oh I'm a little bit tipsy, babe. I wanna see up move it, move it, wiggle that rump, like a nothing, do it, blow my mind. Cause I really wanna see up move it. I'm a little bit tipsy. I can't get a grip in the trip, cause I pilot to two minute down. I wanna see ya move it, move it. We get that rump, like a nut, do it, blow my mind. Cause I really wanna see a chip. Hot G, na minute. I'ma make them hits outrageous. You front, I'ma fly. Nigga, we on different stages. I'm hollin' at different ladies. Only difference is yo got babies. I've been fucking with some Lotto chicks, Lotto chicks, I'ma hit that daily. Late 80s, baby, baby. Tell me what you tryna do. I'ma slam this drink or two, maybe run a little bit of game past you. Oh, you so fine, baby. Such a divine lady. And if you give me a chance, I'ma take my time, baby. Got me on kill emo. Michael Jackson drill emo. And I'm tryna go slow deep in her, to the point I can feel her soul. She grindin' uber slow, got me on super slow. And I love her bobby swagger. I need to finish that in the middle. She's so full blessing. I'ma get twisted, rippin', switchin' over to my jacket. Yo's flow. I might be tipsy, baby. That's just my energizer. Like the rumor, we can make a little something with this right. Here's the appetizer. I'm a little bit tipsy, baby. Hold me down. And I can't get the grip and a trip, cause I pilot took too many down. I wanna see ya move it, move it. We get that rope, like a nothing to it, blow my mind. Cause I really wanna see ya move it. You don't gotta talk about it. I'm a little bit tipsy, babe. Hold me down, and I can't get the grip and a trip, cause I probably took too many. Yeah, super unfinished.

SPEAKER_12 1:20:35

But I thought it's crazy. Back in the day, you we used to think you had to do the uh down for it to do that, and you don't have to do that, bro. Yeah, you know who taught me that? Icon. Yeah. All the way up until I started recording with icon, bro. I I used to go in there and I used to be like repeat words or whatever. He's like, Me too. He was like, Don't do that. Me too, me too. He's like, No, you don't gotta do that. I'm like, yeah. No, he's like, no, no, I got you. Just don't do that nobody.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:58

Well, when I used to record with Jesse, he used to be like, Well, if you do it, it'll help me. You know, it'll help me get to where you're trying to get this to, you know.

SPEAKER_12 1:21:08

You can tell that he was like, Wow.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:21:11

Yeah, no, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:13

And both of them are correct, actually.

SPEAKER_12 1:21:15

Facts? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it will help, it would help though. It'll help with the effect. Because dogs, dogs, he always just like, don't I mean you don't have to do it, but it'll help. Yeah. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:24

You ain't gotta do the echoes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:21:29

Yeah, that's the kind of you lead the effect. Yeah. Yeah, you lead an effect. I mean, it makes sense. Shit, I always still did it. Like I said, I've I had to do it, and then icon told me to stop doing this.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:38

Damn, man.

SPEAKER_12 1:21:39

But yeah, that's what that was my. He probably wanted more control over how he did it or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:43

That was probably my uh twister looter. Oh, that was your looter bag all day.

SPEAKER_12 1:21:49

And the wordplay was crazy.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:54

Yeah, you know, so but yeah, I'll fuck with that. Uh I want to redo that record, you know, find a better, you know, more updated. You still gonna do it that way? Uh yeah, I would still do it that way. Yeah. Cause like, I always felt like for a show, performance-wise, that shit's still gonna go hard. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, people are gonna rock with that, you know, regardless.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:16

Well, that's why people always be sleeping on Luda, bro. He he was so influential at one point. That's why I don't understand why he don't be in a lyrics category either. Like, if you really listen to dude, you be like, I'm saying, bro. He people used to act like, yeah, but now I gotta play mine now, bro. I just have to do it because you just brought it up. I'm gonna play like a snippet though. But this is I've been I was in Milwaukee for a year, bro. And I called it Milwaukee's on bad guy and shit. I was just I just got here, bro. I thought, who the fuck I thought I was? But look, this is just like I'm just gonna play a snippet of it, bro, just to show y'all like Luda really had the game in the chokehold at one point, fam. See my teeth, you know. I yeah, y'all. Y'all loot it out. Little bullshit, bro. I thought he was gonna come side of me and shit, bro. He ain't never heard of Puerto Rican rap like Lula, but I just had to show y'all that because his shit, I was like, oh, we really was doing that.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:36

Yeah, it was on that loot and shit, bro. Luda definitely a lyricist, though.

SPEAKER_12 1:23:41

No, facts, you know. Uh word of mouth to me is uh is probably if it's not type top five, it's only because some newer shit might have came out and pushed it over a little bit, but it's in my top ten classic albums. Word of mouth. Release therapy is so and then you know, it was more personal, yeah. Facts, and he got off on it. Yeah, yeah, I fucked with it. Luda's not one of them ones, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:04

Have y'all heard like the new shit? Luda been in here. Yeah, no, he actually dropped it.

SPEAKER_12 1:24:08

He got one that like him, Jimmy, and TI all dropped hits that were super cold, bro. Like it's getting back to that trial. Yeah, it's getting there. Julie album was tries, though. I didn't hear Juvie's album. We got time for one of these topics real quick, just to uh speak on it real quick.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:27

Well, yeah, we got ten minutes.

SPEAKER_12 1:24:30

So, what you want to do?

SPEAKER_08 1:24:31

Uh I want to give her five minutes apiece.

SPEAKER_12 1:24:35

Alright, let's go.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:36

Let's run them fast.

SPEAKER_12 1:24:38

Let's do this first one.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:41

I had five people show up in October. Did another one in January, had 250 people show up. Shwet, how bad do you want it? I was cleaning three or four houses a day and I would have a secret show that night in Atlanta. I'll go on a peer space or I'll contact like local business owners. My favorite is a diner. Literally, they were doing eggs and I was like singing, I'm on a car. I've done a barbershop, a library. How many times are we gonna go to the same bar that everyone plays? It's just more of an experience and it's more memorable. I'll do a pay what you want model. But another thing is a plus one model, and I earn all that data. Other venues, they won't give you that data. I don't ask people to buy tickets. If you're just like new single out no, come see me on tour. Why the f to work see you on tour? You have to build something that people want to be invested in. If you want it to always look pretty, always look a certain way, fans don't get to see the interim when they fall in love with you. There's different intentions around touring, and my intention was always I just want to share my music with you, and if you feel it, I want to feel it with you. That's it.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:39

Thanks.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:41

So the question is what?

SPEAKER_08 1:25:42

Um basically the question is grinding even when the audience isn't as big as you would hope or imagine. You know what I'm saying? Like, are you still gonna do shows when there's only five people? Are you gonna do shows when there's you know a hundred people?

SPEAKER_12 1:25:59

Yeah, you know. I just did it.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:01

I just did it. I just I just did one.

SPEAKER_12 1:26:04

Because that one person can go to somebody else and say, Man, I've seen this artist. Word of mouth always for it. You know what I'm saying? That's always one of the greatest marketing promotion tools. To to you as an example, I'd be I would be sick to know from the music I've heard recently to know that you quit because you didn't want to do it, because you might not have been getting the recognition or love that you thought you should have. You know, cause like I was around, I d I didn't really pay attention and I'm I don't paying attention, and I'm like, bro, imagine he would have stopped and just not did shit. Yeah, I would have been a uh a loss, it would have been an L for the for the round. For the last two years, me and him, we done had shows where it's over 200 people, and we done had shows where it's been fifteen people. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 1:26:51

So And then also I like what she um brought up as far as changing up the dynamic of where you're performing, because I've thought about this a million times having my own because I have my own window tint shop and I've thrown like little holiday parties or you know, barbecues at my shop. But I've always wanted to like have you know artists hop on the mic if they come right to the shop, you know. So and I've thought about doing little shows at my shop. So that'll be that'll be that'll be dumb. She said she did one at a barbershop, at a little diner, you know, like I just did one at a bowling hour. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:30

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_12 1:27:31

So I mean for for me, I I have my reserves about shit like that. But I think I I'm also jading because I've done so many shows where people just fucking play in your face about shit. But but on in all honesty though, it's as long as the vibe matches. Yeah. I don't I I don't want to be rapping where people are not giving a fuck about people rapping. You feel what I'm saying? And that's something that has happened to me before. You know, like I I perform that with fucking Burner Man. I performed at fucking MATC one time, like they were having lunch or some shit, bro. And we just ran up and did the most gang banging ass, crazy ass song, bro, in front of all the MATC students.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:14

Steven Stoner free showing Walmart type shit.

SPEAKER_12 1:28:17

You know what shit buying shit and you know shit like that. It's just like two Glocks make a dual backfield. I mean, sometimes it ain't for everybody. Some people it work for, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, no. So yeah, sometimes it's a good thing. Shout out to Burnham. He's fucking crazy. Bro, I'm telling you, that was my first, that was my maybe my second show ever. And my first one was on Titonia before Club 30 was Club 30. I forgot what it's called. It was uh quarters or something like that. Quarters, yeah. So that's my first show ever was at Quarters on Titania in Milwaukee, bro. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? My first show ever where I got on, and bro, that had to be, and it was on a song called Bandanis. I don't know if you ever heard that. But we were super gangbanged on there, bro. And I promise you, bro, there was like 30 vice lords in there. And they came up to me and was like, hey, bro, it don't matter, this and that, whatever, bro. That was cold. And I and I was like, oh, oh yeah, I get that. Hey, I used to get that a lot. I already know. You already know. You know, I know that's I remember I used to walk through the door, it'd be vice lords on the mic, like, man, they done let the GDs in. If anybody, if anybody was ever, you know, when me and my cousin and the Southside niggas was out there, it was always you and y'all, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, we are we already knew. I definitely remember that. Oh, forgot about big six. Yeah, I read it. You feel what I'm saying? So like, so you know, so we already knew, you know what I'm saying? Like, but that was my first two ever shows. But uh again, it just it has to make sense, bro. The show has to make sense. I did a show one time in lacrosse and it was like an EDM fucking thing. And I was like, nobody was there, first of all. And like 10 people did show up. It was a pretty big event. It was nice, but it was a big event. Ten people maybe. These niggas had glow sticks, and they was like, Yeah, they was into it. And then I was like, man, I don't know. And then my guy was like, fuck it, I'll do it. And he started rapping, and they were like the the smallest crowd ever, and they were all like, nah, bruh.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:10

Let's hit this next topic real quick.

SPEAKER_12 1:30:12

It gotta make sense, bro, is all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:14

All right, this next topic is uh positioning yourself in the right position slash room.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:21

Have you ever noticed how museums are almost always all white? It's not random. They do it on purpose because they understand something that most people don't. You can take a random object, a shoe, a candle, even an old lamp, put it in your messy garage, nobody cares. But put that same exact object in an all-white room. Now it's art. Same object, different room, different perception. There were people who literally tested this. They walked into a museum, took off an old sneaker, and left it in the middle of the floor. People actually started gathering around the sneaker, taking photos, studying it. Why? Because of the room. Please stay with me. And this is where most people get it wrong. You think you need to become something new. You think you need more skill, more talent, a better product. But what if the value is already there? What if the problem isn't the work? It's the room. Some of you don't need a new message, you don't need a new offer, you don't need to become a different person. You need a different environment, a different system, a different presentation, a different room. When I first started posting content, nothing was moving. Same person, same ideas, same message.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:31

You say what? I don't know who you are, so I don't care what room you. I don't know who the fuck you niggas. I didn't have that bullshit.

SPEAKER_12 1:31:38

Hey, right though. But I mean, we this was the conversation we had earlier. Yeah. From the hip hop to just the raps, to the rap open mics. You know what I'm saying? From the hip hop scene to the rap open mics. It's different rooms. Yeah. Yeah. I pretty much just said what I said about 10 seconds ago. Yeah, yeah. That's how I feel, bro. Like, it gotta make sense, bro. It's like, you know, even in like you said, even in the genre of rap, I don't wanna be like, I don't want to go do Hoogle when it's a whole bunch of motherfuckers talking about climate change and shit. You know what I'm saying? You know what's I'm just that's a stupid example. You know what I mean? Just just bringing it up. Like, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:13

That's where a lot of artists fail. It's like they they wanna you know, they wanna put their music into a make their I guess circular music fit into a square peg or whatever, you know, like how you guys ever heard that, you know, like a children's toy or whatever, but um they're just trying to fit somewhere that they're they don't fit.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:38

You know, that's I you know I had a problem with that though for a minute. As far as me, my my type of music and the venues that that we was getting booked for these shows. Like I don't really want to do, I don't really want to be in no club because that my music don't resonate with the club scene. Right, you know what I mean? So that's when that's when I started thinking about the colleges and people that's gonna really listen, you know what I'm saying, the hip hop scene. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:33:08

I have done a show before in a place I should have never done the song, but the love was crazy. Yeah, like it can go good sometimes for sure. It was a literally a church event, but nobody told me it was a church event. So I'm up there catching like craziest old women, and they're like, hold on, bro. But yeah, dude was like, it's a church event. He was like, Man, the pastor even loved you. He was like, You would. Well, was you talking about a message and shit? No. No, you were just talking about pure gangster shit. Damn. Fashion was on that time, fam. And it was an outside event too. So they had these big speakers, everybody could hear you. Damn. But yeah, it was love.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:52

That's what's up. But yeah, man, I just think um, you know, making sure that you're positioned in the right atmosphere in order for your uh artistry to be received properly, super important. You know, there's an analogy about um cars, you know. If you buy if you buy an old school and you just go out and try to sell it on the street, they might offer you 5,000 pennies. You know what I'm saying? But if you take that same old school go into a niche Facebook group where these people know what that old school is worth, you might walk away with 20 grand. Right. If you take that same old school to a high class auction where they really know what it's worth and what they could do with it once they polish that old school up, you might get 50, 60k. You know, so I use that analogy because I I have an old school, you know, and people all the time I've had people offer me 5k for mine. I bought mine for 5k, but I knew what it was worth. Right. The dude didn't know what it was worth, you know, so I was like, shit, let me get that. You know, but I've had people offer me 30k for my old school, you know. So it's like you're right though.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:14

That is a new smart. Let me give you another example of something not fitting in any room that you put in.

unknown 1:35:21

Alright.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:22

You can move into an apartment and you got a big ass couch, it ain't gonna fit in that room no matter how the fuck you get in. Meaning, sometimes your music ain't shit is ass. I'm very you know strong on my convictions, but it's yeah, it's real simple. To me, sometimes hearing shit like that gives somebody false motivation. Yeah. It makes them think, I just need another room.

SPEAKER_12 1:35:50

I know, but you need to your homies need to tell you what's real.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:55

Go back to the motherfucking room. The drawing board. Make no sense. Yeah. This room, that room, overseas. This room. Only ways go work because it comes back.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:08

Amazing fucking perspective. I promise. Perfect.

SPEAKER_12 1:36:13

Yeah. Some people just need their homies to really be honest with like that shit they meant, man. Which, which, which in turn, in turn means you in the wrong room.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:23

You in the wrong room with niggas.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:35

No, and that's like that's like, you know, if the couch got bed bugs, ain't nobody gonna, ain't nobody in any room gonna want to sit on that couch. You know what I'm saying? Like whether you put it in a big room or a small room, you know, fucking. That's facts. But um, thank you guys, you know, for coming through the podcast, man, and just sharing your journey with us. Um, and you know, allowing us to have a moment to just, you know, be artists and uh to just sit with you guys and see your perspectives and you know, this thing that we call life and this journey and this music. And you guys have uh definitely like I said, I've seen you guys on the scene and I didn't realize what I was around when I was around it, you know. And just sitting here today is just like, you know, it's it's definitely brings a whole different uh perspective to the both of you, you know. So I appreciate you guys coming through. We appreciate y'all.

SPEAKER_10 1:37:43

For real, for real. All 414 all the time.

SPEAKER_12 1:37:45

I don't even know, bro. Y'all everywhere right now. I don't think y'all know that. In fact, you said the name right, bro. Yeah, all right. Everybody always just say all 414, the all four one four podcast. Hey, no, I know. Hey, you see what I wrote on here?

SPEAKER_08 1:38:00

All 414 all hey and upon that, thank you, bro, for you're probably the only people that came through with some gifts for us. We had uh we had a couple others, but you know, like we appreciate that, you know, because this is dope.

SPEAKER_12 1:38:16

I mean y'all y'all giving us an opportunity, man, and y'all giving the city an opportunity. Facts, you know what I'm saying? And on behalf, on behalf of the lyrical uh congregation, uh, we want to thank y'all, man. For real, for real. That's love, man. That's what's up. From lyricist to another, to two others, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 1:38:37

Facts.

SPEAKER_12 1:38:38

Let's get it.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:39

So that concludes this episode of the All 414 Podcast, brought to you by Illy, Street Team Hectic, Third War Studios, SG Films, and our guests for episode 42, Omari Kumau and Keith Picasso, also known as Ellsworth. If you haven't already, we encourage you to take a moment to subscribe to our channel, like this video, and leave us a comment about the topic that interests you the most. Thank you for watching and come back for the next episode of the R414R Podcast.

SPEAKER_12 1:39:14

Let's go.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:16

If you don't fit in that room, stay out of it. Stay out of it.