All 414 All Podcast Episode 41 W/ Cardiac Da Pulse

Episode 41 Cardiac Da Pulse pays the pod a visit with his new single "Safe Space"! We then speak about his journey and some highlights of his career followed by a dope conversation about the state of hip hop and how the pay to play ecosystem  affects us!!!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:40

Maybe some shit I'm gonna have to be one of the few times. Yes, sir. Some of you need them. That's a flat. Yeah. Yo, yo, yo, I need room to speak. So I booked this week. Been a long week. Standing painting fluke with the loot. Yeah, them the vices. Double tapping on the battle. I don't need devices. Boy, been a beast. Niggas think it's the game. I bet you parlay for your beats. Devil to my fear. That's a good breeze. I dick discipline, nigga. I think I'm in the niche. I was searching for love, ending out the seats. Had abandoned my listeners, but kept booking tappers. Not having my biological was a factor. Lack of chemistry. Felt like I didn't matter. Yeah, catch the goals. But the lack of love caught me in the raster. I never cared about the stature. I'm tryna break curses to put a hit a raster. Yeah, let me know if this is safe space. If I bathed to the world, would you give me grace? Let me know if this is a safe space. If I told you my heart, would you stay face down? Let me know if this a safe space. If my dog went down, would you be my ace? Let me know if this a safe space. Let me know, let me know if this a safe space. Look, I went to therapy to feel safe. Had to redefine me just to feel fake. First time in my life felt self-hate. Man at a house carried too much weight. I did a poor job trying to communicate. I heavy just ahead, and I wore the crown. I was rooted in doubt. I had to drown. Pick me apart. They pick me off the ground. I became a better verse. Then realized I was served in a higher power. I was served in the tournament. I can't sleep at night. I got burdens. That's how the black man died jump. Every pile of the bump stump. Can't afford to fail like I'm a damn bum. Keep it tracked and still I can't out run. Fuck that climb shit, you gotta get it done. Yeah, let me know if it's a safe space. If I been to the world, would you give me grace? Let me know if this is safe space. If I showed you my heart, would you stay face? Let me know if this is a safe space. If my dog went down, would you be my ace? Let me know if this is safe space. Let me know if this is a safe space. Let me know if this is a safe space. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Big yak. Let's go. What's up, y'all?

SPEAKER_05 3:11

Too fire. I fuck with that.

SPEAKER_06 3:13

The most vulnerable record out in the city right now.

SPEAKER_05 3:20

Big facts. That's that's one thing I fuck with the most of that record is the way you give yourself to the audience in that beat.

SPEAKER_09 3:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:31

You know, you you didn't hold nothing back.

SPEAKER_09 3:33

Perform it is even better, bro. Like hearing you do it right now live, that's even better than the record itself, bro. That's perfect. You know what I mean? That's specific. Yes, it is. Because like he started like you was you was already on it. And by the time you got to that second verse, you was took off. Let's go. The pain was there.

SPEAKER_06 3:48

It was in there, bro. Yeah, bro. It's a lot of pain in that shit.

SPEAKER_09 3:52

So you better stop crying. Gotta get it done, fam.

SPEAKER_06 3:55

Yeah, bro. Stop fucking playing and do it. Yeah, man. It's it's like that. That's it really is. Yeah. Let's go. I'm glad that everybody feels it, though. Yeah. I got a lot of good, a lot of good responses by him.

SPEAKER_05 4:05

So it's valid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, Mike Check. You now tapped into the R414R podcast, where Hometown Artistry is supported, recorded, and awarded an interview from the number one platform in the city. Okay. Before we dive into today's episode, take a brief moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell so you can stay updated on future episodes as we continue to bring the truest talent our hometown has to offer. I am your host, the 414 Tycoon, more commonly known as Illy. And joining me as co-host is my lyrical brethren, the verbal executionist, Street Team Hectic. These episodes are brought to you out of the Third War Studios. And behind the lens, we got SG Films. Joining us for episode 41, we have a veteran in the hometown music scene, phenomenal lyricist who's also no stranger to invoking hit record vibes. It's a pleasure to announce another fellow GOAT on this platform, Cardiac the Pulse.

SPEAKER_06 5:07

Yes, sir. Appreciate y'all for having me. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I've been waiting.

SPEAKER_09 5:13

We've been waiting. I already know. Waiting my time. I told you what I tell everybody, and I mean it with all my heart. When I tell anybody you see me on public and you be like, hey, bro, the podcast lit. I'm trying to get on. You on the list. If I tell you you on the list, believe me, you on the list, bro. I just gotta get you. We're gonna get there, fam.

SPEAKER_06 5:30

I never did ask you either. I just let it happen. I said, I'm gonna basically.

SPEAKER_09 5:33

No, facts. I think I just told you one time. You did you on the list, fam? You did. If I tell you you're on the list, I'm probably lying. Ask him if you on the list. He's stupid. He said, if I tell you on the list, I probably lie. We need some consistency now. I just punched up. Nah, I'll talk your shit. No, but all right, cardiac. So cardiac to me, bro. You uh you're a pivotal, uh is it pivotal? Um I'm just gonna go with the word pivotal if I'm using it wrong, correct me. Okay, but you're you're a pivotal uh moment in my um in my rap life, bro, because you the first person ever to go out your way and call me and a that one song, old girl singing on it, that was trash. And I was like, I did, damn. I did like and I was like, you know what, bro? I even had it, like it was actually really cool. I was like, you the first person that ever did that, bro. Like, thank you, fam. Like, thank you for just calling me and telling me some shit. Everybody else, like, yeah, bro, that shit, you know, you did your shit. You know, I definitely went for some Tasha Bone Thugs type. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I knew what I was doing when I was doing it. So, like, you know, I knew it wasn't it wasn't for everyone. Cardiac said, Hey bro, don't do that shit no more. He said that shit was trash, bro. And I remember you called me, bro. I was at the crib chilling. Yeah, I'm like, what up, fam? He likes, hey man, what's up, dog? I listened to the record, bro. I listened to the album and shit. Man, yeah, that shit was good. He we went the whole break now. Hey, this yeah, this was go, yeah. I like that, man. You was doing your shit. Hey, that one song though with the stinger. I was like, I perked up and shit, like, yeah, what's up? He was like, Hey, don't do that, dog. Like, she was trash. I was like, no. Everybody need the truth, bro. But the reason I bring that up, bro, is because everybody needs that facts. Yeah, you know, and and I appreciate you for that, fam.

SPEAKER_06 7:14

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_09 7:14

I've been locked in with you ever since, bro.

SPEAKER_06 7:16

Yes, sir. Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_05 7:18

I say it all the time, man. Can't be too many yes men in the room. If there's somebody gotta say it. If there's not one no man, you probably in the wrong room.

SPEAKER_06 7:27

I think it'd be too many of them, bro. I think a lot of people don't have enough people to just tell you, like, bro, that shit ain't good. Yeah. I remember when I first started rapping, my mama said, You ain't this ain't it. Yeah, you ain't that ain't it, boy. You you ain't you ain't good enough.

SPEAKER_09 7:40

Nah, moms, bro.

SPEAKER_06 7:41

My mom. My mom a hip hop head though. She is common UGK.

SPEAKER_09 7:46

So she she got the uh she got the weight to say what she said. She does. She's talking about.

SPEAKER_05 7:51

When it comes from the right people, and there's a reason behind the no, that really solidifies it for me. If it's just a no without a reason, maybe I might listen to it, maybe I might not, you know. But if there's a no with an explanation attached to it, that could give me some constructive criticism, then I then I hold that um critique with more value.

SPEAKER_06 8:18

I I think she gave it to me because I didn't sound great. I was imitated. Yeah, I was imitating that. I was saying I used to say too many words in my bars, bro. I was trying to fit too many words in.

SPEAKER_09 8:33

I remember those days.

SPEAKER_06 8:34

I I had to find my I still do that. Yeah, I had to find my flow. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's why they call me the slow flow dawn at times. Cause I had to find my shit.

SPEAKER_09 8:43

Bro, and straight up, your shit unique, fam. You rap different than anybody. That's what everybody says. No bullshit. That's why your voice gives me uh a cash, you know. Remember cash from Shady Aftermath? Yes, sir. So your voice definitely gives me like a cashew type feel, but I that was he was one of one too. So it's like y'all basically only two in the whole world that sound even similar, but you know, you you you, but I appreciate that. And then uh you be doing that freeway shit, bro. Yeah, where you're like, you'll hit the rhyme over here, and then I'm gonna play he ain't rhyme that. Yeah, and then it'll come back, you know, and then or you just put a rhyme right here in here, but and then it goes back to the other, you know what I'm saying? Like so you do that. So, but I I appreciate that shit, bro. Because you know, I like when people rap and it don't sound exactly like anybody else, right? You know what I'm saying? I think we gotta like myself out. I feel like even me, I still kind of sound like, you know, I don't really have a I mean not that I'm not gonna say I don't have, but I don't feel like I'm just super unique, you know what I'm saying? You are unique, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:37

But my voice worse creating it. Yeah, we are, we are, we are.

SPEAKER_09 9:44

You know, because like you said, when I was little, I used to just try to rap like everybody I could. I did. You know, I got a whole song right now I could pull up on YouTube, bro, where I rap exactly like Ludacris, bro. Damn, like exactly, you know what I'm saying? And it's like pull it, no, I'll do it. Milwaukee's on back. I only live here for a year, bro. God damn. At the time, I was here for like a year, bro. And I was like, Milwaukee's own back.

SPEAKER_06 10:07

I thought I was just crazy, it's crazy work. Yeah, that's crazy. I was young, I was young, I was stupid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did plenty of those too. It was trash.

SPEAKER_05 10:16

Um, so you got a pretty extensive catalog, you know. That as far as what I'm seeing on uh um Apple music, you go all the way back to 2016, you've been dropping shit. Right.

SPEAKER_06 10:28

I'd probably go back further than that if we're being honest. Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_05 10:31

I mean 2016 is streaming.

SPEAKER_06 10:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 10:34

So we talking CDs and shit. Yeah, we're talking CDs.

SPEAKER_05 10:37

I mean, but a a lot of motherfuckers don't drop like that.

SPEAKER_09 10:41

Yeah, that's fine. That's what I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_05 10:43

Like people I mean it's one thing to have an extensive catalog, but then it's another thing to have an available catalog.

SPEAKER_06 10:52

Right, right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_09 10:54

Like, right, right. Okay. You spin, bro.

SPEAKER_05 10:56

You spinning to it, I'll just have a readily available catalog, you know, like stay pretty consistent in the scene. And you know, I I just I like to give artists their flowers when I see that from them. Thank you, bro. Because there's a lot of artists who like I said, they might have projects, but they never release.

SPEAKER_06 11:18

You know, or they're just they're waiting on specific starting to align and perfect and realizing can't do it until this is this way.

SPEAKER_05 11:29

See how you talk about me. Oh, that's fine.

SPEAKER_06 11:30

And that's you, bro. That's you, bro. I don't feel bad. I be doing the same shit sometime, but I'll be having to talk myself out of it though.

SPEAKER_09 11:37

I feel like I make up for it because when I do finally do be doing shit, I'll be trying to make it look the best and sound as good as I can. Presentation. Other than my first mixtape. My first mixture. No, it does.

SPEAKER_05 11:47

Presentation does matter. It matters, yeah, it matters. So But it's there's a like a threshold where presentation matters to a certain extent because after that certain extent, then you're just like nitpicking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a portion in uh, I don't know if you guys have um dove into the 48 laws of power, but there's a portion in there where um they're referencing like Michelangelo making his sculpture, and then um this guy comes and he's like, Oh, the nose is like, you know, too big. And you know, Michelangelo being a master at his craft, he's like, I could either keep it the way it is because I know it's proper, or I can alter it, and then it's it's not gonna look right, you know, based on what this guy is saying. But so he goes and he pretends to alter it. He just drops a little, he picks up some dust and he goes, pretends to chisel at it, drops some dust from his hand, and then the guy's like, oh, that's perfect now. But in his head, he's like, you know, it was perfect the whole time. You know what I mean? But he that was always something that stuck in my mind to like not get too hung up on what other people are gonna think about things.

SPEAKER_06 13:05

Too many, too many uh cooks in the kitchen type of shit. Yeah, I've definitely been a victim of that and I had to push everybody out.

SPEAKER_09 13:13

I mean, with going off what Illy said, I fuck with you for a very specific reason, bro, and that's because you be in the cut. But when you pop out, I pop out, you do your shit. You know what I mean? And I fuck with you for that, because I never had to be like, you know, hey bro, like you cold and you not doing it. You do it. Or I don't ever have to be like, hey bro, you know, you could, you shouldn't have did that. Like how you told me about the singer, like I never looked at cardiac's work and the visual, the sound, and been like, hey bro, you could have done, you know, it's always top tier, you know, you be trying to do your shit as best, best possible, bro.

SPEAKER_06 13:51

That's a fact, bro. I um I just be thinking about like legendary shit, like what it's gonna look like when I'm done. And then people start Googling me and they want to know about me and what it's gonna look like. You know what I'm saying? Like, did I put my best foot forward or did I just do some bullshit?

SPEAKER_09 14:05

Yeah, you did 30 ghetto ass videos and some old school, fucked up ass. Like, I remember when uh I'm not even gonna say his name, but dog got out, we did a video, fam, and I knew I didn't want to do it. I didn't know the videographer, I didn't know, and it was cold as shit outside. And dog wanted me to come out there, bro. I regret that shit to this day, fam. Because it was a step back, right? You know what I'm saying? Like I had done already 10, 15 cold ass videos and shit. Right. And now I'm doing this ghetto ass. This shit came out looking dated, ghetto as hell. Everybody was cold. Motherfuckers nose about to fall off in the video and shit, bro. You know, and I did it because that's my guy, so I fucked with you, nigga. I'll give you this one time. And I and I told him at the end of that video, I'm like, bro, I'm never doing this shit again, fam. Yeah, I I I damn near want to pull my verse off the side, bro. Like, I was super close. You know, because yeah, once you get to that, especially me, that that's that might be a hindrance of me sometimes to me. Yeah, because if it if I do something like right now, I can't go back to doing a podcast in my basement or something. Right, right, right. Because we I just can't you already hear. I just it just won't, you know. Yeah, I I would have to like it, would have to be the most drastic of fallouts and fucked up, everything just collapse, and we just now I just and I have nothing but to do a ghetto ass podcast and but if I had the option, I'll never do that again, you know what I mean? So that standard is big, is what I'm saying with your work. So thank you.

SPEAKER_05 15:41

Um what are some uh current events that you know you got going on right now as far as musically?

SPEAKER_06 15:48

Um I got both of my singles out. I got Wish You the Best with uh Rich Soul. Shout out to Jose. Um Jose. Yes, sir. I got um Wish You the best and now Safe Space is also out as well. And um um I got a project. It's pretty much done. I'm just being honest. I'm just it's just I mean the promo.

SPEAKER_09 16:08

The promo look good too, yeah. Yeah, it's just in.

SPEAKER_06 16:10

It's it's just me in the way. Okay. It's just me.

SPEAKER_05 16:14

Are you um planning on doing any like uh performances, you know, doing a performance run for it? Uh I know you just did um, I don't know if it was like super recent, but I I seen you on uh the rap draft. Mm-hmm. So that was a month ago.

SPEAKER_06 16:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna do more. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a few of those. Um I've reached out to a few of those. I'm gonna do the a cappella one too. Um for a different record though, for something that's I don't like niggas who be doing a cappella and they don't be spitting.

SPEAKER_05 16:42

Right, but no, we don't always.

SPEAKER_06 16:43

Like, bro, I I don't I don't understand why niggas do I they be doing a cappella for records that like it this don't fit this. Yeah, this ain't the narrative for that, bro. You gotta put some bars behind it.

SPEAKER_09 16:52

It's gotta be a record with some bars, and I get what he's trying to do with dog behind it. Because you know, I fuck with dog, I uh huge shout out to him. Yeah, shout out to him. He tried to stay unknown and shit, but yeah, uh I know what he he's trying to bridge that gap. Yeah, he's trying to be like, hey, this is hip hop too, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, he's trying to give him a chance to like, hey, without the beat, go a cappella. That's because that's that's a live performance. It is, yeah, yeah. You feel what I'm saying? So it's like, so when you think about it like that, you're like, I see what you try to do, bro. But I 100% agree. Like we gotta stick to the script, man. We gotta start. I feel like Milwaukee does that to itself a lot, bro. Like, even if it gets a good opportunity, you fucking tank the pool of fucking talent with other shit, or not even that, like if you're gonna make it about this, keep it about this. And don't bring it to a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and then try to fusion that shit together, bro. Just fucking pick something and focus on it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 17:47

Like, yeah. No, I definitely I always envision myself like if I was driving around and I saw the uh a cappellas happening at real time, just wishing I had like a bag of pennies or something. Look at that. Like some of them be yeah, like bro, some of them be cold, some of them be cold, and then you get the complete trash ones, and I'm like, who the fuck is quality control in this shit?

SPEAKER_06 18:18

Cause I can hear the ad lives, they'd be ebbed, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 18:23

Cause the the effects and shit is gone. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:26

I'll be like, bro, oh damn, bro.

SPEAKER_09 18:28

That's yeah, if your song is dependent on effects and shit, you mean it's not for I can, you know, but hey, yeah, to each his own. Yeah, I feel what y'all saying. No, I agree. I definitely agree.

SPEAKER_06 18:36

Shout out to y'all, keep keep doing it.

SPEAKER_09 18:37

Yeah, yeah, no, hey, at least they're rapping, at least they're trying to like like I said, I look at the silver lining of it, bro. At least he got people who don't necessarily do that type of music, yeah, rapping, just no beat, no nothing. Hey, go for a rap. You know what I'm saying? So, like, shout out to hip hop, man. Got you out there on the corner.

SPEAKER_05 18:55

Fuck that. Um, I can't wait to see you perform though, as far as like on stage. I'm surprised that I haven't uh ran into you out on the scene yet, you know, because Milwaukee's a small city, so usually everybody's just one person away. How did uh damn, how did they word that? Um Ray Rizzy, uh who's the other um guest that we had on? But they said it's like they're basically you brushing shoulders damn near with everybody. Yeah, it's like I forgot two degrees of space or something like that. Two degrees of separation.

SPEAKER_09 19:34

Two degrees of separation. That's it. That's it.

SPEAKER_06 19:35

So um six? Thought it was two.

SPEAKER_09 19:39

No, they were saying, yeah, they they were saying that Milwaukee's two degrees of separate, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so with Milwaukee's two degrees does sound off. It's like it sounds right, but it sounded off.

SPEAKER_05 19:49

Yeah, with Milwaukee being so small, it's just I'm like, how the hell have I not ran into him yet and seen him perform?

SPEAKER_09 19:55

No, but also that kind of brings me, or that that goes back to the point we made earlier that I fuck with cardiac because of of his exclusivity. Like, yeah, anytime I see him, he's can't he came to rock some shit, or he came with some quality music that's new. He dropping, you know what I'm saying? He don't necessarily, you know, you're not just gonna see him at the fucking open mic every you know, you definitely not.

SPEAKER_06 20:17

You definitely not. I'm I'm a grown man with kids, bro. I got shit. Yeah, you're gonna see me there.

SPEAKER_09 20:23

Yeah, I'll be up in there. Yeah, hey, but but now it's a different, it's a different outlook now. Yeah, I used to be up in there like on the other hand. We're there for a different reason. I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna get and shake this shit up. Now I go in there literally just to listen to see if I find some new shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. And it actually worked out. I already got two vocalists lined up, okay. About to work on shit together and everything, fam, just off of just watching them and shit all day.

SPEAKER_06 20:46

I like that too. It's a few of them. I did a show now, was it last year? May have been last summer. I found some Share the Vibes Festival. It was some dope people in there.

SPEAKER_09 20:56

Man, I still ain't made one of those. I want to go this year though. Yeah, yeah. Or is it next year? But he'll probably have it this summer. It's it's so I didn't miss it this year. I missed last year.

SPEAKER_06 21:05

You missed last year, yeah. It'll be this summer. Yeah, he has it every summer.

SPEAKER_09 21:08

I definitely want to go to that.

SPEAKER_05 21:10

All right. Well, um, I want to hear another record already, man. I'm let's go. Yeah, I fuck with the music.

SPEAKER_09 21:15

This is his uh the other single he has out right now. It's called Wish You the Best Feature in Rich Soul. Uh, shout out to Rich Soul, bro. I'm definitely gonna reach out to you. You on the list, fam.

SPEAKER_06 21:25

You on the list, fam. Be fire.

SPEAKER_09 21:27

No, yeah. Uh yeah, I fuck with Rich Soul, bro. And then he he another one. He just pop out, do his shit.

SPEAKER_06 21:33

He got one to be gonna really be best tones I've ever heard. His tone on records be crazy.

SPEAKER_09 21:38

He's a Dominican saying, he's Dominican? He's Dominican, ain't he?

SPEAKER_05 21:41

I think he's Puerto Rican. He's Puerto Rican. Yeah, he's Puerto Rican. Yeah, now that you're saying you're on the list, uh that's making me think of how like, let me check my palm pound.

SPEAKER_09 21:53

Uh no, no, that's stupid. All right, but this is called Wish You. Best man, let's get it. Cardiac. No, I see what happened. It was playing in the background.

SPEAKER_06 23:08

I'm on the boat. You will left. You will laugh. Don't want to late low with them whole tape. Make it right when he messed up. Take the word and he breaks up. Got the body, she blessed up. Ass looking like a stand up. Baby boy, you better get it. I'm with you the bad. I'm with you the bad. Dr. Ritzot, man, he brought that record to life for me. He brought it to life. Fuck with that.

SPEAKER_05 24:45

Yeah, it's a valid record. I I know uh a couple times in my lifespan I could have used that song. Bam, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_09 24:54

And then that's another thing I I forgot to say earlier. Like you make uh relatable contextual music. Like you got context, you got you know, you got something, the substance. It's you know, uh it's creative. You got you come with a message and shit like that.

SPEAKER_06 25:09

That's the big thing for me. I only rap when I got something to say. Type shit. If I ain't got nothing to say, I ain't gonna rap. Yeah, that's how it is now.

SPEAKER_05 25:17

I fuck with the cover on there too. Yeah, she got the big bitch's bags back. She got her bags on the bigger.

SPEAKER_09 25:22

Shout out to King Miles, shout out to King Miles, yeah. Shout out to King Miles shit, bro. Yeah, King Miles.

SPEAKER_05 25:27

What's crazy is uh, you know, I tint windows for a living, and um I sit, you know, I get a lot of women that come in to get their windows tinted, fucking their whole house be in the back of their fucking car. I know a few of them.

SPEAKER_06 25:42

I'll be like, God damn. They always be bad too. Yeah, it be bad ones like that. Yeah, damn.

SPEAKER_09 25:46

I'll be like, double habitat ones. It'd be bad ones like that. Everything in the car. That's fucking terrible, crazy. No, but you know, that be the finest ones, just so y'all know. This is what I'm saying. You see that little Honda come around the car, be the baddest ones. Everything in the car, bro. Everything in there's a motherfucker.

SPEAKER_05 26:05

In my mind, I'd be like, damn, bitch, you can put this in no fucking garbage bags before you got here.

SPEAKER_09 26:09

Nigga, that should be all over the seats. I'm saying I'm saying priorities, man. Priorities. Why you getting the fucking your cars tinted right now? And you know, you ain't even got put somewhere to put your shit.

SPEAKER_06 26:20

Because he's trying to hide this. Yeah, they don't want nobody to see. When she opened the door, I said, Damn, look, this is everything in here. Okay, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 26:29

I'm not gonna lie, bro. But that's what that cover reminds me of. I'm like, damn, your nigga, put your shit out. Got your shit in the trunk. Oh my god. All right. So before we head into this next portion of the episode, if you haven't already, take a moment to hit that subscribe button and notification bell to help us grow our audience. A like, comment, or share with a friend are also great ways to let us know you support it and watch the episode. Also, shout out to our sponsor, Illy Tents, for financing these episodes. If you or someone you know is looking to transform your vehicle, add privacy, or keep it cool by blocking out those sun rays, give us a call today at 414-326-7283 or stop by the shop in Franklin, 8581 South 27th Street to book your next appointment. Y'all like how I wrap that first thing out?

SPEAKER_09 27:24

Yeah, I like damn, I don't know about that, bro. Cause they're gonna be like, fuck him.

unknown 27:29

Fuck that.

SPEAKER_09 27:32

Clean out your car before you come. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 27:35

No, but um also I wanted to shout out the uh big bit big beat MKE that we just um you know went to last night. That shit was super lit. It was lit.

SPEAKER_09 27:47

Yeah, it was fucking fun. Uh it's it's like the big beats turning into um I don't want to say red carpet, but it's like, you know, yeah, a lot of the names that you that you here that we fuck with and respect, the elite in there. Like, I'm in there talking to every, you know, that's like when whenever I see y'all rich, you know, everybody in there. Larry Bull was in there, Mo City, yeah, bro. Everybody, super ego, everybody else in the city in the building, fam.

SPEAKER_05 28:14

It almost felt like an all for one for all along. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_09 28:18

They're like, What up, y'all? What up? You know what I'm saying? And then it's just like, uh, I told Alan, I'm like, bro, it could have went either way because you got this much bigger space. Yeah, that shit turned out fucking great, fam. Yeah, but he killed it. That's what's up, and I was happy for him, bro. Cause that shit was that shit looked, it was it was just a good look, fam. And that that's what the big beat should have been three years ago and running, you know. But hey, we you gotta start somewhere. Yeah, yeah. Killing that shit. And the stage is way better. Yeah, yeah. You know, the Cooper's just real nice. It is, and the system was fucking hidden. Was it? Yeah, hidden. Okay, you know, the shout out to that space though. That's the one and only place I ever threw my own show. Like that I charged out the door and shit. Yeah, yeah. When I did my die slow mix thing, and I had like 120 people in that bitch. That's nice. So it was a good look, fam. I love that. Hell yeah. But it looks a lot better now. Obviously, they got the nice screen and all that shit. But shout out to the Cooper, shout out to Island, shout out to him, shout out to Jeremy fam, I know Indy. Yeah, uh, just out to their whole thing, shout out to DJ Topher. Uh shout out to all the fucking the producers, bro. We got the winners.

SPEAKER_05 29:20

Uh, last night's winners, I believe, were uh James Ashen. Let's go. Orion Rhymes, Yoshi, sir, OA beats.

SPEAKER_09 29:30

Okay. So A went crazy. Did he? Uh yeah. Oh, A, like, see, so this is my thing. I I judge separately for battles and for just being a producer. Oh, A, as a producer, his shit's crispy, bro. Like, his beats are just really crispy, clean. They sound like any fucking cold ass beat you'll stumble upon when you're just trying to just get some free shit. You know what I'm saying? Because those be the best beats when you just be trying to rip them off YouTube and shit. You know what I'm saying? That's how his shit be crispy. Sound like uh like he makes thousands of beats every day type shit. Uh him and James Ashen. James Ashen's mix to this day. I'm I'm gonna have to give it to him, bro. And maybe it's just like what's the what's the word called again about the time? Like maybe it's just because it's like recently that alignment. Um, we say we talk about it on here all the time. Something recently, something like that. Something recency. But you know, maybe it's just because it's like recently, and I haven't really been, you know, but dog, I've heard his beats on like six different sound systems. Everyone be crispy, bro. Like his shit doesn't he I told B. U last night, every one of his beats had, or not every one, there was this one beat. The entire beat was a grunge, electric guitar, distortion type EDM almost. I'm trying to every sound. And not one time did my ears be like you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 30:49

The whole time, I'm like, this shit crispy. He makes his shit well. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, he makes in this shit well.

SPEAKER_05 30:54

That's what's up. You're talking about the um they're the shit, right? Yeah, yeah. Chronologic, what is it called? Uh chronological recency beats chronological relevancy or some shit like that. We're saying it wrong. Yeah, we're saying it we're butchering, but you feel what I'm saying. I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_09 31:14

That could very well be the case, is what I'm saying. Right. But I'm just saying in the last two, three years, I've seen dog battle like six times. And every time that stood out to me because he'll play his beat, and then the other person he's going against play their beat, and you're like, oh, night and day. You can hear the mud, bro. You can hear the muddiness to the other beat, you know what I'm saying? And dog's always crispy, bro. So shout out to Dog. Uh, but shit, the the bros battling next week, so yeah. I'm a side picker, bro. Lots of ass. Who battling? It's battling next week. They're not battling each other, but yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:50

Okay, okay. You'll be in there, okay.

SPEAKER_05 31:51

Yeah, but if they if you if they uh yeah, so if if I beat my opponent next week and BU beats his opponent next week, then me and BU should be battling each other. Okay, that's friendly competition. That's nice. And because uh I've known BU since man, I was a teenager, and he's been producing that long. He's you know, him and my brother locked in, best friends. So I've gotten to see his journey from you know young. Yeah. And now I just started my journey in production like a year and a half ago, maybe.

SPEAKER_06 32:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 32:31

So to be going up against potentially going up against somebody who I admired that whole time is is dope to me. You know, that feels like a win and of itself.

SPEAKER_09 32:43

Yeah, you know, facts. So yeah, they they there next week. So that's a whole nother. And I also like the new You good, bro? Before we wrap it up.

SPEAKER_06 32:52

You gonna be good? For what? Because if they go up against each other, you gonna be good? Oh, I'm good. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 32:57

Yeah, I'm proud of it. Yeah, um, I want that shit to happen. Now I wanted more people, yeah. I wanted more people, bro. They need they need they need more melanin up on that stage, bro. Yeah, they do. That's facts. They do. You know, that's not shots, no shots taken. I'm just they need more melanin on the stage, bro. I feel that. But I feel that uh we had a good amount of melanin last night on the stage. It was uh every one was the third one was last no, the fourth battle was the only one without no the uh the third and the fourth were all no Yoshi battled the white dude.

SPEAKER_05 33:29

Yoshi's dude was white. I thought he was uh I could have sworn it was. Nah, what's the what's his name?

SPEAKER_09 33:37

Well, let's say it wasn't fucking eight out of sixteen is still that's a that's crazy, right?

SPEAKER_06 33:41

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_05 33:42

It's still crazy. Oh, yep. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, everybody except the last one. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_09 33:46

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, man. You know, I'm talking about bro, one of them, dog. Uh-huh. And I hate to read like this, but it's just facts, bro. He he was sitting up there, yeah. And he had the motherfucker drink in his hand. I swear to god, he he looked like he was just about to say some bullshit, bro. He's just just standing there. He was like, hey, what the fuck y'all doing out here? Like, that's what he just looked like he don't fucking and then like the beats playing, he's like, and I'm like, nigga, what the fuck is going on? And Matt Static tried to get on his ass. Yeah, like, hey, if you get geeked, the crowd get geek. Like, yeah, you gotta you gotta get into your when your bee playing this shit. Right.

SPEAKER_05 34:20

And I was like, and just stay there because see, and that's why I thought uh I missed the first battle, so that's why like it seemed pretty even to me as far as like yeah, you know, melanated and non-melanated.

SPEAKER_09 34:40

Yeah, yeah. What is it?

SPEAKER_05 34:42

No, uh eight out of sixteen. Yeah. No, that battle. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Eight last night. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_09 34:49

So three out of eight. It's less than fifty. Less than fifty. I don't like that no talking shit. Yeah, no, but uh, but last thing before we wrap the big beat uh thing up. It's super dope that he's doing the four a night now. Yeah. Because he used to do two battles, two performances. Starting it a little earlier, doing the two performances and four battles, it worked out. It was good, bro. It was a good look.

SPEAKER_05 35:11

It worked okay.

SPEAKER_09 35:12

Yeah, it worked out, bro.

SPEAKER_05 35:13

It was it felt like enough, you know.

SPEAKER_09 35:16

Yeah, yeah, it felt partly it didn't felt feel like too much and not enough, you know what I mean? So shout out to Alan, bro. Let's go.

SPEAKER_06 35:22

Shout out to him.

SPEAKER_09 35:23

Big B MKE.

SPEAKER_05 35:24

Um so I also want to turn it over to you, see if you wanted to uh shout anybody out from your team or you know, just anything that you wanna speak on before we move into the next portion.

SPEAKER_06 35:37

I mean, shout out to all of them. Shout out to Rich and everybody and Trey and all the all my folks. They know I love them, they know we you know we locked in. Right, you know.

SPEAKER_05 35:47

Let's go. Sure and sweet.

SPEAKER_06 35:49

Yes, sir. Let me know if this is a safe space. Let me know if this is a safe space. If I showed you my heart, would you stay faced? Let me know if this is safe space. If my dog went down, would you be my ace? Let me know if this is safe space. Let me know if this is safe space.

SPEAKER_05 36:10

Alright, so um, we're gonna go into this next uh interview portion. Give us a summary of who Cardiac the pulse is and what you hope to stand for in music.

SPEAKER_06 36:23

Who am I? I'm a blue-collar nigga who happened to rap. Let's go. That's who I am. I'm a father. Um, um I'm a spiritual nigga. I am diverse. Um, and what's the second part of the question? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05 36:46

And what do you hope to stand for in music?

SPEAKER_06 36:52

Vulnerability and vibes. Let's go. That's what I always want to give. Yeah. You got a project name? No. You should go.

SPEAKER_09 37:01

That's a cold ass uh project title, bro. VMV.

SPEAKER_06 37:04

VMV, vulnerability and vulnerability and vibes. That's what I like to give. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:09

That was kind of what I was on when uh I dropped Heart Behind Bars. Like that was the emotion that I wanted to invoke, you know, being vulnerable, yeah, you know, and giving the audience what I felt like was my heart music. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:22

I feel it's needed though, bro. Like I like to I like player shit sometimes, bro. Like, wish you the best is player shit to me.

SPEAKER_09 37:29

That's peace shit. No, that's facts. You do that every album, too. I do.

SPEAKER_06 37:32

I like doing I like doing peace shit, bro. Like doing player shit, then I like giving something that's a little more meaningful at the same time. That's that's also my calling cards, yeah, and whatnot. You know, I sometimes I gotta figure out how to reinvent it sometime, but yeah, no, I feel you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_09 37:47

Okay, that's facts though. Every every project, I will thank you for what's the one is that is that is that you and Rich that got a song you did the video, and y'all like in suits and shit.

SPEAKER_06 37:58

Uh was that uh Running Up the Budget?

SPEAKER_09 38:01

Was that running up the budget? You had the suits. But we was in suits, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 38:05

Player shit.

SPEAKER_06 38:06

Yeah, yeah. I like doing player shit.

SPEAKER_09 38:09

Running up the budget was my shit too. I don't want to. Thank you, bro. Thank you, bro. A lot of energy on the records. I got another song though that I'm gonna play, and that's my favorite shit.

SPEAKER_05 38:16

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Um what is your hip-hop origin story?

SPEAKER_06 38:23

Um, I started with Rebel Life. Um, I'm I'm uh me, J Love, uh, Kia Rap was there. I was signed the trio early. So uh nitty and sincere, all the niggas was ahead of me at the time. So me, uh Young Legend. I don't know if y'all remember the She-Bad records. Um who else was in that? Uh uh Shirah Sloan's but pizzo back then. He was there. Um Oki. Oh, I don't know what he goes by now. Job Jetson, I think he goes by now. I ain't I ain't heard him do no records in a long time. I know he's talking about the Yeah, it's been a long time.

SPEAKER_09 39:04

That trial records uh thing. I didn't know you came from there. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 39:07

Yeah, I started with then J-Love.

SPEAKER_09 39:09

We all started there. That's that's some beastie shit, bro.

SPEAKER_06 39:12

That's where I learned. That's why I learned how to perform, that's why I learned how to hold microphones, that's why I learned how to count bars. That's why I learned how to do everything there. That's crazy. Because we had there's a bunch of OG producers that was up there. Like uh Kool-Aid and them, him and Lala that got killed way back when. Yeah. But uh a lot of them was there, and they was teaching us structure then and whatnot, which I know I realize a lot of niggas don't have structure when I see them perform. Yeah, they don't know what a show disc is and whatnot. I see too many people perform with their vocals, bro. I gotta talk about it, bro. It's too, it's too many of y'all singing and rapping with the with the whole, you just the whole MP3, bro. Yeah, it's too many of y'all doing that, bro. The whole MP3, bro. Thank you.

SPEAKER_09 39:57

Yeah, it's the whole wave, bro. It's crazy. I used to do it. I used to do it. This is this was years ago, yeah. You know, when I first started, yeah, and I remember I remember being shamed for that shit, bro. When I got by the MCs and shit, not that they was like directly like, heck, you a bum, you you know, but yeah, they would make little side note remarks and shit. Yeah, yeah, and then uh, you know, I heard when I said Danku was the nigga who really was like, he was straightforward with it. Like, if you rap over your vocals, you're not an MC, nigga. Like, and he straight up said it, like, you're not an MC if you rap over your vocals, bro. Like, you you could be a rapper and shit. And I'm like, hold on, bro, hold the fuck up. Ain't no fucking way. You know, and also I have rapped, I got a video on YouTube from a performance. I'm like super skinny and young and shit. It's crazy, bro. And I was rapping live, I didn't even think about it. I just did it. It was like some open mic and Marquette type shit. And somebody, I forgot how we even found out about it, but I went down there and I rap, and it was like some struggling. You couldn't tell I couldn't perform good. I kept turning around on the crowd and shit. But it's like I did it live and I didn't even think about the shit. And then after that is when I started really rapping and doing shows, and I was rapping over my vocals.

SPEAKER_05 41:09

Right.

SPEAKER_09 41:09

So I was like, I mean, I could do it. So I did it. So shout out, shout out to it.

SPEAKER_05 41:12

And it's you know, uh to a certain extent, you don't know what you don't know because a lot of times if you know how you said you started out doing it the proper way because it felt the most natural. Yeah, it's just you know, when you get out there and you're in the scene more and you see other people, you see it being acceptable to do it with the MP3 in the background playing, you're like, oh, what the fuck am I working so hard for? If these guys fucking they're getting booked every week and they're not doing half the shit that I'm doing, you know. So it's like, all right, well, I guess we'll I hop on the same page as y'all.

SPEAKER_09 41:49

You know what it is? What's sad about what you're saying though is that I agree first and foremost. But what's sad is that I didn't even do it like doing it the proper way at first. I did it because I didn't fucking record it. Yeah, I just had the beat. You just had the beat, but I had the song. I had the song wrote in my mind, I already memorized it. So it's like I ain't even do it because I cause I was trying to do it, you know what I'm saying? So trying to just rap. I really just did it because it was a opportunity and I went to go do it, and I only had the beat. I didn't even have the money to fucking go record the song and shit. Like, well, that's but that's what I'm saying though.

SPEAKER_05 42:22

Like it's it was just the natural way of it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because yeah, you naturally would naturally as an artist and as a MC, you're supposed to memorize your lyrics. Facts, you're supposed to be reciting your lyrics all the time, you know. Like, and for the longest time I got out of that, but that you know, like it was because I had a almost like a a gripe with how people were performing in the city, and I was like, I'm not fucking performing no more. I mean not, you know, and then once I did that, like I saw, I was like, you know, I recorded a shitload of music, and I was like, Well, fucking, why do I need to memorize this if I'm not gonna be out here? I'm not gonna perform it, you know. So like I got out of it for a long time, but now, you know, this year I started performing again, and it just I feel at my best when I'm memorizing my lyrics. I feel like I speak better just in my day-to-day life, if I'm going over my music constantly because I'm doing nothing but playing with words all the time. Yeah, so and it just feels natural to me.

SPEAKER_09 43:25

You know what I just thought about though? I feel like the access fucks people up when you start getting like because it used to be I gotta memorize this song or I gotta be ready because I don't even got the money to pay for a long studio session. Yeah, yeah. So I gotta get in the studio with my shit already. I know exactly how I'm gonna wrap this shit, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, and by the time half the time, whenever back in the day when I used to do that, I already knew the shit in my mind. Like, I I I'll have my paper. I ain't gonna sit here and jack like it. But I'll have the paper, but I'm really I'm just rapping that shit because I done rapped this motherfucker a thousand times. Yeah, to be like when we get in the studio, we got two hours. We try to make seven songs, you know what I'm saying? Some stupid shit, you know. Yeah, they can unmix whatever. I don't give a fuck. I'm just recording this shit as many as well. But go to the next joint. Go to the next one, go to the next. So that's crazy to think about because the more access I got to it, the harder it was for me to memorize now I'm just recording shit and just all right, yeah. Record this. All right, yeah, record this, all right. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, to this day now, that or just Hello Week consumption, bro. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 44:26

That could have fucked me up. Well, another thing too is uh technology. That's what I'm saying. When when I used to fucking write my lyrics, uh, easy. I could memorize everything I wrote. Yeah, nigga could hand wrote your muscle that I'm typing the shit in my self-memory. Yeah, it's way harder to memorize shit.

SPEAKER_09 44:45

Yeah, you think about your muscle is like writing that shit out, bro. Shooting that shit to your brain, your brain is like remembering, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I can see the word I wrote and shit.

SPEAKER_06 44:56

I did a show with somebody with with the with these. Uh we had like a practice, and the whole practice, like they obviously they can't sing, but they was doing it like they could sing, and then I was like, after I did mine, I was watching them, I was like, Y'all know y'all gonna have to like sing that shit, right? And we're not like y'all know, you know, you can't sing that shit, bro. We went to the show, it's my first experience with it. They had the the engineer had the auto-tune on the mics.

SPEAKER_09 45:25

Oh my god, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 45:26

But they was still super off key as a bitch.

SPEAKER_09 45:29

Yeah, you're not ready for that.

SPEAKER_06 45:30

You know what I'm saying? But I was like, damn, they got the tone on the mice. Damn, I'm I'm behind. No, bro.

SPEAKER_09 45:38

I've only I've only encountered that one time ever, yeah. Ever. Yeah, and I've I've done fucking literally, not even exaggerating, over 200 shows, bro.

SPEAKER_06 45:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 45:48

Yeah, 200. I'll say 200. Right. You know, if if I put every year, I'm doing fucking every week well over 200. You know what I'm saying? And one time, I believe it was like, I could make your voice do whatever as soon as you get on stage, blew my fucking mind. And I, if you're not ready, you gotta train with that shit, bro. You can't just you ever try to sing something, you ever have like some melody shit and then try to do it on stage? No, nigga. That's the worst shit ever, man. It is because it will not sound how you think it's about to sound. I try, especially if you're rapping, like that's like if Cardiac went on stage right now. He no no no no. I wish you the best. Not don't say it how you think it's gonna because you're rapping, you're moving, you're not gonna say unless you practice that shit, and you and you're on the sound system you're practicing because there's no way, but but for the record, shout out to Dog, I don't even remember his name, but he was cold. Yeah, he he was like getting me together, and I was like, blah, and he put like a little bit of auto-tune, mixing it right when I like halfway through the song. I'm the crispiest I've ever been to. Lyrics, nigga. Barb definitely be happening, definitely be happening. Yeah, I have yet to experience that for real, yeah. Cold, bro, cold. It's crazy. We gotta make that happen, bro. You got the wireless mice. We just need the right sound man. The sound man got the sound man.

SPEAKER_05 47:01

Well, they kind of had that going a little bit at can I the last open mic, like yeah. He was like, fuck it up, and then all of a sudden, this girl's singing, and then like halfway through her song, she got she randomly has auto tune now. All right, reverb and shit.

SPEAKER_06 47:17

No, no, they uh it's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 47:19

But can I don't have the speakers to to hold this type of shit? Well, no, it's not decent, it'll sound decent. I'm not yeah, it'll sound good, but if they don't have the speakers to make it like super fucking sonically, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 47:31

All right. Um, next question is uh what are some of your favorite moments over your music career?

SPEAKER_06 47:39

Uh first time I ever performed at Summerfest. My mother, my aunt, let's go, my um cousin, they were there. We opened we opened for um Slick Rick.

SPEAKER_07 47:55

Oh shit. Let's go.

SPEAKER_06 47:57

Slick Rick and second best is probably when I opened for game at the race. Let's go. It's long, long time ago. He said he's a long time ago, bro. No, no, no. We wouldn't record this shit then. We wouldn't record this shit then. Type shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Them some of my favorites. Uh what's another favorite? Maybe my project Blue Roses is one of my favorites. That's cool. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 48:26

My favorite. How many songs you got on that project?

SPEAKER_06 48:29

Maybe eight or nine. Okay. Let's go. Yeah. Short projects work. I feel like for lyrical niggas and niggas who got something to say, it gotta be shorter.

SPEAKER_09 48:37

Yeah. Yeah, because yeah, because uh yeah, uh you get you get to ten records, and then everybody's like, fuck this shit. Like, yeah, he's saying too much good. I can't retain all this information. Yeah, yeah. I just found out about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Like I found out about motherfucking the Holland House and all, like, man, fucking Jim Crow era and shit. Like every guy, bro.

SPEAKER_06 48:59

I'm on record number eight. Like, what the fuck? It's gotta be shorter for people who got something to say, it gotta be shorter. No, fact, yeah, it's gotta be.

SPEAKER_05 49:06

I'd be throwing in filler and my shit. I'll be like, here's the club club record. Club record. Like three club records in a row, and then back to the fucking real club record. That's what's up. But uh, I like the fact that you off the rip stated something that had to do with family being at your show. Right. Because I don't think a lot of people realize how important that is, you know. That's kind of like um when you're younger and you you're in sports or whatever, and you see your mom on the sideline or your dad on the sideline at your game, that should make you want to go harder and like put points on the board, and you know. And I know anytime I've performed and my family's there, I almost feel invincible on the stage. You do, bro.

SPEAKER_06 49:54

So I do, you do. That battery on your back.

SPEAKER_05 49:56

Yeah, you know, because that's as artists, you know, we we do it for the love, and we have uh a list of reasons why we do music, but family is definitely high above on that list because we all think about like what we would do once we get to the pinnacle of uh where we imagine our artistry taking us, right? And helping out our family is like high on the list. Yeah, number one. Number one, you know. So I don't think uh sometimes it feels like family doesn't think about that, you know? Yeah, and then when they do think about it, it's like when they're at a show and they actually get to see us and they're like, damn, like they really do this shit, they're really up there doing that shit.

SPEAKER_06 50:40

Yeah, like my mama, she she was like, I ain't I ain't never seen you like that before, right? Right, she was shocked. Yeah, I ain't never seen you like that before. Yeah, it's a different thing, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_09 50:50

I don't like it, bro. Not one person. Well, you got the so this is a therapy session, bro. So fucked up, big off. I'll over here talk about it. I'm over here, like, yeah. I'm like, damn, nigga, not not anybody I grew up with, nothing, not one of my three cousins, my big brother, and my big brother's a rapper fan. And all my cousins, they're the ones that taught me how to rap and shit. Yeah, and I'm like, bro, not one of you niggas been on my one of my shows. And I don't I just told you I performed like 200 plus times.

SPEAKER_06 51:18

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 51:19

Work never performed in front of my mom. I just performed from in front of my daughter. Well, big six the first time. Isn't big six your cousin? That's my cousin, but you know, this he's uh uh that's one nigga. No, yeah, yeah. What it is is like he was up on the stage next to me. No, you know, he's a cousin that he's my cousin, that's my blood cousin. But I met him when I the first time I ever came to Milwaukee. I was like 10, 11 years old, and then I've separated because move down south. I ain't see the nigga again until I was like 15, 16. Yeah, then he got locked up. I get locked up, come out. He's still locked up. Now I'm in Milwaukee for five years while he locked up. Yeah, okay. Then we got together linked and we already started performing together right away. So it wasn't like he was there to come fuck with me. Yeah, we were doing it together, like we was already performing and shit. So yeah, that's the only but you're right though, yeah. Other than that, you know, like, but like the people I grew up with, fam like my sister, my brother, and my three cousins, that man one of them motherfuckers.

SPEAKER_06 52:13

Oh, I just I just remember the proud moment. Right. Um, it was called the Indy Invasion Tour. It was um a bunch of us from I was I was the only one from here, some people from uh New Orleans, Phoenix, who's from Phoenix, Arizona, and we did uh a date. We're supposed to do two dates, Houston and Austin, and whatnot. And we supposed to do both. Um, the the one at Austin was some bullshit, some bullshit. Um, I lost my voice, but I still got on the stage and did what the fuck I had to do, and I couldn't talk for like three weeks. Damn, damn near, like that type of shit for like three weeks. You know what I'm saying? It was fun, though.

SPEAKER_05 52:59

Dude, that shit happened to me um at the mix and rewind that I the first showcase they had there. Yeah, uh they put the they were supposed to have it a week prior. I was I would have been fine. Yeah, you was ready, yeah. These niggas fucking pushed it back a week, ended up losing my voice. So I'm over here struggling through a 15-minute performance with no voice. Like, and it's still it was valid. Middle took video and shit, but like, dude, I couldn't talk for like four days after that, bro. Like, bro, it was bro. It was hard, but yeah, I still got out there and did what I what I needed to do.

SPEAKER_09 53:36

Oh, so wait, were you saying that happened your second date, or you're saying we were supposed to do two dates, but we only did one. And the and that one was when your voice was like, I lost my voice.

SPEAKER_06 53:46

God damn, yeah, it was give we was trying to get tea going to the gas station. I ain't know like uh Austin, they like no plastic, all that kind of shit. That's it. I didn't know that. Well, we got that. We was, you know, we was going around, everything was paper bags, yeah. Yeah, like damn, you ain't got no plastic. I said, but what if niggas mamas and shit trying to walk home with groceries and shit like the paper bag, bro?

SPEAKER_09 54:07

And and each item gotta get stone paper and meat. The meat gotta go on different shit, too. It do. Yeah, like they can't give you, like at the grocery store, you can't put the meat in the bag with nothing else, and it's his own bag.

SPEAKER_05 54:19

Oh, they they fucking fold it in paper and then it's not even paper.

SPEAKER_09 54:22

I don't think I think the meat might be plastic bags, yeah, and then everything else goes in paper. Everything goes in paper. Use plastic bags for everything, anything but meat or some shit like that. But you know how they eat.

SPEAKER_11 54:31

It's one of those one or the other, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:34

Um, side note though, you got to see your niece perform, right? Yeah, yeah. So at least now that we're talking about that, you know, like you get the action. Thank you, bro. Thank you. You might be that person. We made a breakthrough today, thing.

SPEAKER_09 54:48

Thank you for that, bro. You're right. Because you're right, yeah. Yeah, because you know, to me, me being there, I'm like, bro, she don't even, she probably has no idea. Or maybe she does, maybe she super fucking, you know, receives it, and you know what I'm saying. But she has no idea, like, bro, I'm here to watch you, fam. Like, yeah, I could have been anywhere else. I got I didn't have to come, and I came to watch you perform your art, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_11 55:10

Like, right.

SPEAKER_05 55:11

So and it might have been, I don't know how many times she's performed, but just that was her second time ever. Yeah, so she might have not realized it at that time, but eventually, yeah, as she gets older and act more with her, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 55:22

And you know, and because she jumped into music, and you know, it's family shit, bro. But I would love to just be like, come on, yeah, you know, because I know what I know what I'm doing. I I'm I'm immersed in all this shit, bro. Like, yeah, you know, at my crib right now, if she wanted to, hey, come over, you can record all my I got some shit we can record right now, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, so it's like you know, but her second time ever, I was in there and I'm gonna do it again. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna do it again, I'm gonna watch her again. I missed the last one, I'm gonna go anytime she got some. Hey, what's up? If I got the time, I'm there. Let's get it. Because that's what I want. Yeah, you know, like I remember when I was selling CDs and shit. That's crazy, that's a minute ago. Selling CDs, and none of these niggas bought a CD for me. You know what I mean? And then that'd be like, you know, and you be thinking that you know whatever, but that should be like, man, that's fucked up, bro. You know, you know me my whole life, nigga. You should you should be uh front and center, because that's what I would do. Yeah, that's the type of nigga I am. Hey, what's up, fam? What you doing? You about to be a wrestler? I'll be at the fucking wrestling match then, fam. You about to fucking be a fucking zookeeper? I'll come see you fucking defeat the fucking penguins or whatever the fuck you about to do. I'll come fuck with you, bro, just because I fuck with you like that.

SPEAKER_05 56:44

Um you kind of um touched on this next question a little bit, but I want you to reiterate it. Um what compels you to create and what are some sources of inspiration for you?

SPEAKER_06 57:00

Creating is spiritual for me. Like, bro, you gotta think about it. Like uh anything could be going on in my I could be having the worst fucking day. We could play a beat and words come out of thin air. I ideas coming out of thin air I got a flow, I got an idea, I got a hook, I got bars. Like, that's some some spiritual shit to me. That's some God shit and whatnot. You know what I'm saying? Um I only create what I want to say at this point. I don't care to do anything else except what I want to do and what I want to say. I don't give a fuck. Like, I need to feel it. It need to be what I'm going through, what I'm saying, what I'm doing right now.

SPEAKER_09 57:44

Yeah, I just got to that wrong. Literally just got to it. Yeah, like my next shit, that's what I want. Like you saying is crazy because I'm like, bro, that's exactly what I want to do. It takes a while, bro. Yeah, to get there, it does. It does. It's hard, it's hard to break away from like the wanting to be cool. The trends, yeah. Yeah, I want to be cool, bro. I want everybody to think this shit's dope as I know it is, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That shit definitely takes a toll on you, though.

SPEAKER_06 58:06

It do, it do, it do, because then you know it's looking at you a little weird because you're doing different shit. You ain't you ain't doing what they used to hearing from you. So what you think? And it throws you all off. Yeah, well, you doing that? Yeah, I'm doing yeah, okay. It's kind of a little timid with you a little bit. They take a few steps back, but it's okay. Yeah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_09 58:26

You ain't gotta fuck with it. But that also what you were saying earlier, just now you had said uh the spiritual part. Like, yeah, I don't I think people sleep on the the fact or on the the I don't even know how to say what I want to say, but like when I start doing that, there's this moment where I'm like writing some shit and I'm saying it, and there's a moment where I'll get to like the end of like an eight-bar run or something that I'm just starting writing, and then I just take off I'm writing. Yeah, bro. That's like this little pocket that you get. I don't think people understand how fucking euphoric that pocket be, bro. It is, bro. Especially with niggas like us who got the fucking words, bro. Like we know, we know we can't, we know we're like, oh, oh, oh, this would work right here. Yeah, and then it's just like click, click, oh, this is clicking. Oh, this is falling right in there, and next thing you know, you just writing, and that shit is just falling right to where you want it to be. Like, this is, and I don't think people understand, bro. Like, I just thought about it, bro. Like, you that's there's a little fucking two, three, five minute type where that's like a fucking drug.

SPEAKER_06 59:33

It is, bro.

SPEAKER_09 59:34

Yeah, it is, and I'm wrapping it to myself, and I'm like, and then I'm geeked up about it, like, oh shit. This is crazy. But I'm writing right now.

SPEAKER_04 59:42

How the fuck am I thinking of this?

SPEAKER_09 59:45

A couple times I wrote some shit, and I'm like, the the word in the middle of the bar will rhyme consecutively, and I didn't try in my mind. I'm trying to get to this outside rhyme. Yeah, and somehow my last fucking six bars, all right, the middle of the dreams, and it just fell in like that. Like, and I wasn't really even necessarily trying to do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

It just and not only did it rhyme, sometimes it was like a fucking like a triple entendre, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:17

You're like, bro. When did that happen? I got a triple in here, bro. Y'all ever wrote some shit and you'd be like, you know what? That can mean you didn't write it like you wrote it on this one, yeah. You know, this is what I was going for. But then when you're listening or you're looking at the words, you're like, Yeah, that can mean like eight different things, bro. And when somebody asked me, I'm gonna tell them I thought about all I swear to God.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:41

I swear to God. That's how I felt about when I had dropped that. I had set a bar or something like that, because Major Pain is one of my favorite movies. So, like I had said something about like I majored in pain, spit win it for days, you know, like dude's name is Major Benson winning for days. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I used this whole name in the bar, but like I was just trying to uh previously, right before that, I had thought of uh the Boondoc Saints movie. So I had used the bar with the Boondoc Saints, and then Boondock Saints, you know, so like I had like three fucking lines consecutively that were talking about like my favorite like top three movies and shit. And then when I look back at it, I'm like, that's just fucking name all three of my favorite movies, and then fucking and then you killed cold ass bars out of them, and you know, like I was like, oh shit, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:34

That's just that's crazy. It's crazy when it happened like that. No, no bullshit. I love it when it happened like that.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:38

That shit I said on the uh freestyle on here. Yeah, I said uh nigga steady trying to roll seven, probably never see a pair of dice, yeah. Bro, I was literally talking seven paradise, like yeah, but they never seen a pair of dice, they never seen paradise, bro. I promise you, I did not write it like that, man. And then when I wrapped it and I'm watching it, the fucking I'm editing it and shit, yeah. And I'm like, nigga steady trying to roll seven, probably never seen pair dice. I'm like, oh you know what I'm saying? Like when you catch it, you know what I'm saying? Like, oh, ain't nobody fucking with me. Look at that. Running around your benching and shit, yeah. But the point I was making though, there's euphoria there, bro. People just don't understand for MCs like us, bro. When you get that pocket, it's euphoric, bro. It's a drug, fam. It's a fucking it's a uh hit to your uh what's it called?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:30

Dopamine, dopamine shit. Yep, endorphins, all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:34

Oh nigga, this I'm gonna fucking fire, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:36

It's a fire, keep me inspired.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:38

Yeah, rapping.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:41

Oh my god, oh god, oh god.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:43

That makes me think of uh there's a reel with uh Arnold Schwarzenegger, and he's like he's younger, and he's talking about how he loves going to the gym. And he's like, Yeah, you know, the gym is almost like coming. He's like, So I get to go to the gym and work out to get the pump, and I'm coming at the gym, and then I go home and I come again, and he's like, all day of just coming. That's how I feel is a bill. I'm just fucking all over this place. All right, so uh last question I got for you is there how can the all four one for all podcast audience find your content?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:25

Everything at Cardiac to Post everywhere, Google it. I come up.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:30

Yeah, you got a very unique name too. So thank you. Thank you. I fuck with that.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:35

Where did the name come? Like how did that come about? Thank God, because I wanted to ask that earlier.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:40

So my first rap name was a typical rap name. It was young LT. Okay. Lt is my nickname, okay, little Tony, and I needed something new.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:49

Where is this going? He just threw me all the he said, well, you know, it started back, you know, young LT, you know, that's my name, Lil Tony. Yeah, I'm like, wait a minute, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:59

It's a cardiac way about it. No, no, you good, you good. So um it started there, and then I was working in the hospital, and I was working in the cardiac unit. And I was like, I was like, what the fuck is cardiac mean? And when then I Googled it. Oh, it's some hard shit. Oh, okay. I could fuck with that. Then I end up putting the pulse on at the at the end of it and whatnot, you know, just kind of make it. I wanted to be somewhat unique to me. It's very unique, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_09 1:04:28

You snap because you probably never even noticed this, but you or you might just take credit how we said about the lyrics earlier. Yeah, yeah. But uh, in your logo, you got the pulse in the pulse, right? And if you look at it, it's a W. It is for Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:41

I I never noticed that. Let's go, I never noticed that. No, I never noticed that. That's fire, that's fire, that's fire. No, I ain't never noticed that. That's some shit that you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:50

As a creative, I seen your logo and I'm like, if he made that to be a W and it's a pulse fucking thing, yeah. With that impact, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:58

That's amazing. That's King Ma. Shout out to King Ma.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:01

Yeah, he didn't think about that though, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:04

I just did it.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:08

He ain't tell me.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:09

He would have told me. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:10

All right, let's roll into the MKE music reviews now.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:13

All right, let's go. We're gonna uh split it up so that because I'm one of mine is his, I'm gonna play mine real quick. Okay, and this is probably up until I heard the last two, because those are super clean, dope records. This is my favorite cardiac record right here. And I remember I like I listened to this project, and when I heard this, I'm like, fuck yeah. But yeah, let's go. It's called Fuck How You Feel, bro. Cardiac Oppulse. I already knew you were gonna say that. I love this song, bro. Fuck how you feel.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:46

Damn. Who made this? Art the beat made this. Let's go. I got a lot of niggas with me. And we gonna drink the body.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:54

That's my shit. That shit I'm talking about be real life. Damn. I fucking love that record, bro. It's a lot of people on the that that first verse is fucking insane, bro. Yeah. And you did exactly what I said earlier. You like, oh damn, he went off the and then you came back. Altercase. Not a taste. Where's your mind at? Yeah. No concentration. Like, oh, that's my shit.

unknown 1:08:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:17

He said, campaigning that inauguration. Bro, yeah. You got that, you got one of them flows where you gotta hear that. Watch. Go listen to it again two or two or three more times, bro. And you'll be like, oh, that's a bar.

unknown 1:08:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:28

Oh, I ain't catch that one. That's a bar.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:30

Rich P said that. Rich P say that all the time about me. Yeah, like all the time. He's like, bro, I'd be having listened to three times.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:37

Replay Valley fan. And then every time you hear, you like, oh, that's a bar. Didn't you catch that one? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:41

So thank you. That's dope.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:43

Fire.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:43

I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:45

Just giving you all flowers, bro, because I fuck with you like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:48

Thank you, man. I appreciate that. All right, fam. Let's go. Real quick.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:52

That track's got a feature on it.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:54

No, that's just him.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:55

That's just you? Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:57

I was doing the hook and everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:58

Okay. I was only It was only the first verse you played on there, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:09:05

Yeah, yeah, I just played the first verse. So yeah, this next record, it's not even a record. It's uh uh Illy's pick is another fine moody. She's been on here like four times now. She's cold, bro. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what happened with this curse. Oh my bad, bro. Y'all got me rolling. It just didn't. I don't know if it changed or what. It's all cool if not, but this is fine moody. I don't know what this is called. It's just a freestyle she did. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:39

There we go.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:40

Oh yeah, she be snapping, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:42

Yeah, no, she be killing it.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:43

She be killing shit, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:46

Um they come on the send down as one nigga see you have something in the colour. You can follow many bites when I eat me up in the friends and level.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:05

Oh she has a way with uh just though she's she's literally talking in a rapid type of way, but she's putting she's putting everything she needs to say into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it comes across with the voice that she has. At first, you're like, what the fuck? But then the more you tune in, you're like, oh, she's really saying shit right now. She's like, she's really rapping, fam.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:28

Like rapping in her regular voice.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:30

Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:30

She just crazy. Yeah, that's nice. She a mind. And she's fine as fuck, bro. That too. That helps. Like a motherfucker, you know. That helps, that helps, but she's rapping her ass off.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:41

Let's go. Find Moody, man. Y'all go follow her, bro. She she an alumni, she ain't even hit the show yet. All right, let's go to this third pick. Uh, this is Cardiac's pisses, uh, Cardiac's pick most high. This is uh Richie P. Gold Chain Most High, featuring LR and Cardiac himself. Yes, sir. Let's go.

unknown 1:12:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:10

This is different. This is different. Most high, most high, most elevated, elevated.

unknown 1:12:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:21

Shout out to Lar. Make this elevated wings. We're gonna sell the baby, we sell the baby in the fridge with me.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:49

High as I'm on a beast, high as I'm on the beast. I don't ever want to come down.

unknown 1:13:53

Get a load of me now.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:00

One of my favorite things about how you rap is um, you know, cause you go by the alias slow flow flow done done. And one of my favorite things about artists who utilize the slow flow well is they connect like almost impeccably perfect with the audience. You know, like that's one thing that's really hard to do when you know you got an artist like Eminem or a Twister, you know, like so much of the go straight over the head, you know, and it's just like for the longest time I didn't connect with Twister. Um I've always been like a MM fan, um, but there's a lot of like uh say like busy. Um there's just a lot of artists that like for the longest time I wasn't able to connect with them, you know, and then Busy's a hard one though.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:00

That's yeah, yeah. That's not just you. Yeah. Only Mike Croft understands busy. You don't be what I'd be telling these straight people on me. That's great.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:10

But it's uh the way I envision it in my head is like um a boxer who's more technical with boxing instead of just fucking just throwing. Just knock out punching. Like kind of how you say you only speak when you got something to say. You know, you only throw the punch when you know it's gonna connect. That's how I envision it in my mind. That's a good metaphor.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:32

So thank you, bro. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:34

Yeah, that is I like the way you put that too, that's facts. Yeah, like I see that perspective, and that's that's facts. It's very like you can take it in everything that he's saying, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:44

And it's just confident, and uh, you know, everything you're saying is just like meant to be said. Like that's that's what it gets.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:54

Facts.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:55

Thank you, bro. I appreciate that. Cardi got hell of flowers. Well deserved, bro. You know, it takes um, like I said in the intro, bro, you're you're I consider you a GOAT. You know, the mastery is there, you know? Like the mastery of the word play, and you know, majority of the artists that we've had on here, I say 98% definitely wordsmiths. Yeah, who the 2%, bro?

SPEAKER_06 1:16:24

You ought to have a lot of lot of niggas with bar. I think Larry was on here killing this shit when we were in there. A couple of men here was killing shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:32

Technical geniuses, yeah, you know, if you will. So you know, even the RB artists that we've had on here, like just the word play is phenomenal. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:43

Just the talent of what you're doing. Yeah, good at it. No bullshit.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:48

All right, let's roll into these topics.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:50

Alright, man, these are some good topics. I ain't gonna lie. I fuck with both of these topics, and I came to talk shit and I don't talk shit. Nah, but let's go. This is the first one. I forgot. Did you got a like a headline for it? I forgot what it was about.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:02

Yeah, so you going with the one with the red hair? Yep. Okay, so um, what is rap becoming? What is rap becoming?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:11

I don't know if I'm the only one who feels like this, but I feel like rap is turning into like a bad karaoke night. Like, you know how everybody's just having fun singing karaoke, and then like the one person comes in that really knows how to sing, and it's like everybody's like irritated because it's like, oh, this is supposed to be fun. This is just supposed to be for the people who can't sing, and then the singer comes and everybody's like, ah, this guy. You know, I feel like that's what's going on with Red. It's like everybody's talking about just crazy, retarded, stupid shit. And then as soon as a lyricist comes into the room and you start talking about some real shit, everybody's like, Why are you talking about this? This is boring. Boo, tomatoes, tomatoes.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:53

I don't know if I'm not she definitely from Baltimore, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:56

She definitely is that dude.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:59

They can't even what you think, bro?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:06

I'll let y'all go first on this. I gotta gather my thoughts.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:10

I gotta gather my thoughts. Uh I'll go first, bro. Uh yeah, shit. I've always felt like that. Uh I said it before about this. Is kind of maybe in the same wheelhouse of the topic, but I said it before about like performing in spaces where I just know it's just I just know that this isn't what they're here for, bro. Right. Yeah, they're not here for that. They're not here for what I'm about to bring to the table. They want to hear that shit that they're turned up to the beats hot fucking, you know, which I'm not saying you can't find a balance. You can find a balance, you can do both. But that's just I I don't like being in the situation where it's like this is what you came for, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:53

So, you know, like and it just seems like more and more the shows are becoming how she was stated. They're just like a karaoke night. Like it they just want fun music, you know, like, yeah, you know, and that's it, you know, and that's cool and all, but at the same time, you gotta talk about some real shit. If we're fucking especially spending your hard-earned dollars, like I'm not just trying to only go for music that I don't understand or I can't connect with, right, you know, throughout the whole entire night. Especially if you're drinking.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:35

Right. No, and not like I said, it's a time and place, bro. So it's like when when I also feel that way. I feel maybe maybe it's like a secondhand embarrassment almost. Not an embarrassment, because I don't want to say that because I'm an MC, so I right I love the the art form of it. But I have been in situations where I know that's what somebody's about to be rapping and shit, just through the whole fucking night. The whole night is fucked now, bro. Like y'all, you you came up here talking about some fucking historical facts and you know, and it's like, bro, read the room, fam. That's not what everybody in here on. And then you'll clear the crowd. The crowd will clear out on your ass, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:18

Bro, it they definitely do. That's why you gotta. I guess it's coming with songwriting at that point, and you gotta have a set list for whatever spot you go into. Tight shit. You know what I'm saying? Because you go into a spot where you know it's niggas 25, 26, or whatever years old. Yeah, we gotta have some energy in this room. Facts. You know what I'm saying? You getting, you know, superlipical, eptilipical type. Standing in one place, yeah, it ain't gonna work.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:41

You know, it ain't gonna work in here, bro. You got some motherfucking the Jack Harlow hat on and shit, man. Man, that's crazy. Well, and you know, you know, those dumb ass hats he'd be wearing and shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:51

One thing that I don't like is, you know, like how non-talented, you know, or people that just you can tell they haven't worked on the craft of like songwriting and shit like that. These motherfuckers be trying to treat actual songwriters when when we're at these shows and shit. Like they they'll go, you know, and they get they're there with their little clicks and shit like that. And they're trying to act like they're the hottest shit, but you know, any motherfucker with actual music knowledge and you know, good taste is like that shit wasn't it. You know, but with their click, they're trying to act like they're the hottest shit around, you know. And it's it goes back to that yes man thing, you know, where their click is just, yeah, your shit is hot. So fucking keep it real with doggy, you know, and it's just like a it's almost become like a pat on the back, like, oh, you're doing great. It's a participation trophy era, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:52

Definitely participation. You gotta think about it.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:55

All the 20 fucking year olds or whatever that are now, like the new 18 to 25, all these niggas was after that participation trophy shit, bro. Yeah, you didn't really have to do nothing to be a part of shit. Yeah, you know, you got to be a part of whatever you wanted. If your parents was gonna pay for it, or if you wanted to fucking do it, you could cry about it and they'll put you on whatever you want. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's crazy. We didn't grow up like that, bro. Hey man, I want to do this. Hey, well, try out. Try out. You fucking suck, you can't you can't be a part of this, fam. You can't be a part of the team, bro. Go try something else. We got a winning record, nigga. We can't have team, right? You know what I'm saying? Bro, you didn't make it, you just did it, bro. Go do some other shit. Yeah, go ahead. And back in the day, back in the day, nigga, you used to be like, all right, yeah, you know, go do some other shit, nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like, but now, yeah, but you gotta think about. I always think of I always forget to think about should I say 18. 18 year olds are grown-ups now, fam. You know, they're grown-ups, they were born in fucking 2007. 2007, fam.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:00

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:02

What the fuck? They missed the whole shady aftermath era, bro. They missed the whole fucking Hot Boys fucking Master P. All they missed all the shit.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:10

They missed all that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:11

They missed the fucking the Disney era, all that shit. They missed everything that was the shit from the end of the 90s in the early 2000s, man. They missed all that shit, man. They missed get rich and die trying, nigga.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:23

They did.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:24

What the fuck? They did, they did, they did.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:26

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:27

So ungrateful back.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:30

Start talking shit. Hip hop is now becoming karaoke.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:33

Yeah, it's kidding. It really has, bro. Uh, just read the room or be a unicorn like mad static and fucking kill anywhere you fucking go.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:41

Because he definitely killed everywhere he's gonna go.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:42

This nigga static. I'm telling you, I've seen this nigga on lineups where I'm the whole show. I'm like, what the fuck is Static about to come up here and do, bro? Like, there's no way these niggas ain't talking about shit. They even auto-tuned out, they dancing and shit. And Static get up there and kill that shit, bro. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. He'll have everybody rocking, fam. Every time. On some straight MC shit, bro. He definitely that. Shout out to Static fam.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:03

Shout out to him.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:05

All right, so this next topic.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:07

Next topic we got should artists be paying to be on platforms.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:13

And then the the the title on here says y'all normalize paying the art, paying to be an artist.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:22

Paying to play at an event. It goes, I see artists paying other social platforms to collaborate with them just so they can get more views than they normally would get, and then they disguise it as um reaching out to a broader network. I've worked with real brands, I've worked with legit platforms that have millions of viewers and users and trusted customers. I have never once had to pay them to work with them because that is essentially what artists are doing when you're paying to go on a podcast, when you're paying to do a mic drop, when you're paying to motherfucking perform at an event, you are essentially paying to collaborate, and a lot of the times it doesn't really do anything for you. You might get a couple follows, you'll get high engagement on your videos and all this other shit, right? But it ain't moving your career nowhere. And like I understand, you gotta put yourself out there, I understand you gotta work with people because you gotta network and shit. But but artists and and the predatory scammers who want to make money off of us have created this culture of well, artists have to pay to get put on. No, no, no, reputable organization, business, or brand with a real fucking platform is going to charge artists to work with them. They are going to pay the artists for working with them. Y'all gotta change y'all's mindset. Y'all gotta stop being so fucking desperate.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:50

Yeah, so come over to all 414 all podcast. Well, you ain't gotta pay to get up on here. We ain't gonna pay you.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:58

Just pay the play has been around for it.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:00

Pay the play. No, that's facts, but it is it's been around, but uh here. Let me turn that up so we can hear uh lethal when you say shit. No, but uh it that pay to play has definitely been around, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's it's scamming. They scam the shit out of the way. If you pay the play, and it's a little predatory, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, then that that's what she's saying, though. Like, that's what she's saying. They're like, hey, you you're the play, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:22

You know what I mean? You in the right spot, you in Magic City, and you got a hot record, and you with your brother, and you pay two G's, whatever to put. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it the right person is in the crowd.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:32

No, but you, but but you see how you said but you you see how you said that that that was like in person, you know, this shit cracking. I'm I'm paying you to, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, but I think she's more or less saying, like local shit, like how you you how she how she said podcast, uh mic drops, mic drops blow my fucking mind, bro. That shit blows my fucking mind, bro. I will never fucking do one for anybody, bro. Don't ask me to do the shit, bro. Why the fuck would I pay you to be the product you need for your shit to look nice, fam? Yeah, bro. McDonald's does not hit up fucking the fucking beef people like, hey, pay me to fucking put your beef in my store. No, nigga. I'm buying this from you because I need the beef to sell these burgers, man. Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:22

At the same time, so you know what I mean. When you're at the same level as someone else, you don't need to pay anybody. Type shit. It's a collaboration. No, that's right.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:40

It ain't never gonna stop. No, that's right.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:43

It is uh and it's next awareness, just needs to be brought.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:45

Yeah, but you know, I I I agree with you know what Heck was saying as far as Yeah, pay to play's been around for since the beginning of time. It'll never be stopped. But also he's got a point that doesn't take away from the fact that it. Is predatory because just like you said, you know, you now it is you well, even back before you could be in the right room, and that that DJ you know you could pay to play some, and and it could go somewhere, but it could also not go somewhere.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:16

Yeah, these people used it, and now I'm gonna use it, and I'm gonna be I'm gonna prey on these. Sorry, low IQ. I'm gonna use that. And y'all know that I'm being funny, but you know, yeah, yeah. There's a certain threshold of caliber of person, brainwave that you can prey on them real easy. The other people, they see right through that and they say, Man, come on now. That and you ain't about to play.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:38

And I I think the praying comes from the misunderstanding on one party, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's where the praying comes in when you know that what you're offering them isn't something that they need to pay you for, but you're like, hey, pay me for that. This audience will pay because, like you said, the DJ shit, that was something that was smart at one point. You know, there was a point in time where nigga you want to pay the DJ to throw your shit in rotation, you know what I'm saying? But that makes sense. Now that's not that's kind of obsolete right now. But a motherfucker who, like you said, they don't know what the fuck is going on. They they're not really too right, and the motherfucker be like, Hey, I'll get this DJ to all you gotta do is yeah, or the DJ will be like, pay me and I'll spin your shit. But nigga, that don't work like that as much as it used to, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 1:29:22

No, but now you gotta know the program director. Now it works, yeah. Now you got yeah, now you got now and I just know the right people, you pay the right people, you in the right spots.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:32

No, facts, but that's like like like the podcast, and but that could that could also be never-ending, you know. You know the right people, you pay the right people.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:39

Yeah, but as soon as you pay something.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:41

Because then it's like, oh, you pay me and nothing happened, and it's like, well, you know, we didn't get in front of the right person yet.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:46

You know how many times I paid for a DJ for whatever to play a record, and you in the club, and that shit never come on.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:55

Was it a national DJ or a local DJ? So what I'm saying, that's no, and that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:00

One time, one time one time it was in Atlanta, one time it was in Atlanta, and one time it was here.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:05

Yeah, but if you ain't got no motion, and if you don't know, I mean, like I said, it don't matter where you at, you know, but definitely it will always be part of the game, it'll always be a way in. No, that's facts, don't matter, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:17

You know, America's the greatest country ever.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:19

I've never heard of this person, but you can't take away the I would never even, you know, yeah, yeah, give her any fucking sell tickets to be a part of my show.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:26

No, yeah. No, but my butt and we're not saying that it's the most valid point in the world, but it it is a point.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:32

No, it's a it's a super fucking good point. Like I said, when she said mic drops, podcasts, bro. Why the fuck? Unless your podcast like is like well, it all depends on how you're looking at it.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:44

You're looking at it as an artist, then of course you're gonna agree with her.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:47

No, but what I'm what what I'm saying is you're gonna agree with you're gonna say nah. Yeah, because if you're on the other side of the the shit trying to scam motherfuckers, but that doesn't take that doesn't take the scam away, though, is what I'm saying, bro. Because it's not a scam, it is a scam because if you want a mic drop, if you want me to do a mic drop, that's for you.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:06

What's coming up front? A scam is like something that happens on the back.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:08

No, what I'm saying is the like that the the mic drop shit is just an example. I'm just using that because that's like the the most stupidest shit ever, fam. When you do a mic drop, you're doing it under the brand of the person that's shooting the mic drop. Why the fuck do I gotta pay you to do that?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:24

The name you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:26

That doesn't that doesn't help shit because why the fuck would I pay you? Anybody, no, but anybody, any any reputable place that does that shit is not gonna fucking charge you unless you're trash, bro. And then that then you should know already. Listen, I'm trash, I'm paying for some shit because they don't they just want the money, is what I'm saying. So that takes away from the artistry. Now, again, there's product, bro. Uh radio stations, yeah. You could get an interview here. We don't care who you are, all you gotta do is pay us $200. That was something I ran into. I've done that before. It was fucking retarded, it didn't do nothing. It didn't nigga, I'm the product. Why the fuck am I paying you to be your product fam? Yeah, why the fuck am I paying you to be the shit you need to make your shit push?

SPEAKER_08 1:32:07

You're at a certain level, you ain't gotta pay nothing. So that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. No, no, you always gotta pay. Looking at it the wrong way. You always gotta pay. You're already looking at it the wrong way. No, I mean you're gonna be paying to play in a certain arena that you're familiar with. You've been here, you've negotiated, you now we know what it is, you know what I mean? But just going on some podcast, paying them some money is crazy work. Yeah, it's gonna cost you nothing, you ain't gonna get nothing. It's crazy work, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:35

How many you're not the fucking Joe Budden or Joe Rogan fucking you know what I'm saying? And them niggas not charging you to go on their shit, bro, because they already are established.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:43

They're established, right? They're already if someone's charging you, they're probably not established. Exactly. That's my point. That's my point. Someone at a certain level, they're not gonna pay you. Well, yeah, because they don't have to.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:53

Yeah, they don't have to, they don't have to do that.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:55

You you're you're wanting to be on there more than they want you on. Yeah, if I gotta solicit, because that's basically what it is, if I have to solicit funds from you to promote you, yeah, it's it's a scam, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:33:08

It's fucking red flag. There you go. That's the that's the perfect word. It's a red flag if they're trying to solicit, come on now. Because like I said, there is shit that is worth paying for because you're gonna have to pay for your career no matter what. Yeah, whether it's in equipment, just overhead expenses, you're gonna pay for your fucking career. But when you're paying somebody to be their product, that's my this is my whole point. If you need me to be something that you need, like I again, mic drops, fam. The mic drops, you need people to rap for your mic drop, or you don't have a fucking mic drop, niggas. What the fuck are you charging me for to be on your oh, because it's gonna look real nice, and I got 1,000 followers. I don't give a fuck. I don't care. I don't give that's just not gonna help me, fam. That's not gonna do nothing. And you're getting the monetary gain off the rip. You're getting a hundred. That's what niggas be charging, a hundred dollars to go do it, and they'll say that shit like it's a deal. Yeah, come do a mic drop just today only, a hundred dollars. Yo, okay, fam.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:04

Okay, followers later. There's nothing three nothing. If that, if that I don't think I've ever gotten a follower like that, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:34:12

If you're lucky, the most followers I've gotten off of like shit, like on some other shit like that, is doing this, it's doing the all for and for all. But we're like, yeah, yeah, do the organic, though. Yeah, it's uh it's not we're not being charged, they're just using our shit, put our logo, tag us, and that's the most followers I've ever gotten off of like second hand, you know what I mean? And that's some free shit. I didn't fucking pay for that, fam. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 1:34:36

So shout out to uh best word is word of mouth. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 1:34:40

So that's the best, that's the best advertisement, too. Promise, promise used to play my shit in his mix all the time.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:45

Yeah, that's what's up, and then promise you would submit to him. Yeah, and I have a that's a whole nother subject, but submitting is different from paying. If I'll submit some shit, and if you accept it, you accept it, you don't, you don't.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:55

He's look out, bro. It'd be like a random Wednesday. My shit is on V100 playing in the mix. No, facts. I'd be like, damn, bro, he's looking out. You know what I'm saying? Like, really.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:04

Well, like I said, come down to all 414R where we don't got red flags because we ain't over here chargeable, but we're gonna pick you.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:11

We're gonna pick you because we this is what we need the artist to be here to make content for our shit. Why the fuck would I be like, hey bro, you gotta pay me because we need you. Yeah, that don't make no fucking sense, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:23

We want you, we don't need you, hey yo. The platform is gonna be the platform regardless, but at the same time, we showing love to the artist because we want to. That's right.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:35

No, yeah, we literally seek and pick out people.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:39

Facts. Right, right, right. I fuck with both of those topics, though.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:45

Yeah, no, that one, that last one, bro. That shit, when I seen it, when you sent it to me, I seen it. I'm like, oh man. I got so much to say about that.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:52

Exactly. He's had he had a good pod, too. Yeah, spearhead, facts.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:57

Yeah, he don't charge people. He don't, he don't. He's not gonna charge you to go on here because he needs his whole base is interviewing people. It is now you're not gonna charge people to get that. Yeah, I don't fucking understand that, bro. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:09

Yeah. Um and he's got a lot more in the plans for this year, like as far as expanding it. He's got uh branch offs from it. Yeah, so I can't wait to see what he's doing with that. Yeah, man, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:24

He'd be like, bro. Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. Spearhead gaming. I saw that.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:31

So before we close out, thank you very much for um being a guest today, for making an appearance today. Um, it wasn't our normal shoot day, but you know, you still made it work for us, and we definitely appreciate that, bro. Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:48

I appreciate y'all for having me. Thank y'all. For real, for real. I really appreciate it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:53

So that concludes this episode of the All 414 Podcast, brought to you by Illy, Street Team Hectic, Third Ward Studios, SG Films, and our guest for episode 41, Cardiac the Pulse. If you haven't already, we encourage you to take a moment to subscribe to our channel, like this video, and leave us a comment about the topic that interests you the most. Thank you for watching and come back for the next episode of the R414 Podcast. Cheers.